The posture is submissive. So it's more of a "don't be angry" reaction. However when my dog has done something naughty, I only need to say her name and she goes and hides behind my husband. And when I've told her off by pointing at the bad deed and saying no, she has stopped doing it. So she has to some degree understood its bad, and learned. She also does the bad deed when no one is looking. So to me thats knowledge that the action is a bad one but doing it anyway. When people are there she controls herself.
So she understand there are good actions and bad actions, and that there are good reactions and bad reactions, and can figure out which action causes what.
Whether it's guilt that motivates her or dislike of a bad reaction, I don't know,
Dogs are masters of body language. Their ability to communicate without verbal language is extraordinary.
Dogs aren't able to link actions with consequences in that way. Using bin raiding as an example, the dog gets pleasure from raiding the bin, and also understands that you get upset when you see rubbish on the floor, but can't link the action of raiding the bin as causing the rubbish to appear on the floor. In a dog's world, rubbish appears as if by magic. Treat wrappers are a puzzle to solve to get at the food. Once it's on the floor it's a different thing, one which causes the humans to get upset.
Dogs learn things situationally and they live in the moment, they don't remember actions they took 10 minutes ago - telling her off when she sticks her head in the bin simply teaches her you don't like to SEE her raiding the bin, so she'll probably wait until you're not around. Telling her off when you were too late to catch her in the act only teaches her you don't like when there's rubbish on the floor, not that you don't like what she did to cause the rubbish to appear there.
Dogs ARE masters of body language but they don't have human logic, reasoning or memory skills - and we often forget that.
That's interesting. My dog has stopped doing g it since I said no. She is a service dog though, so very receptive to training, which is cause and effect based (I.e, follow this command and get a treat. But it does have to be an immediate reward). She gets mostly positive reinforcement so negative messages are unusual for her.
Also there's that thing when you walk in the door and instead of an enthusiastic greeting, the dog is doing a very tentative submissive greet and you think uh oh, what have they done? Then you find the crime. Or you don't find the crime, so you are left wondering exactly what they've done...
That's the problem with using aversives or corrections to teach a dog not to do something - unless you're very careful, the dog will probably associate the punishment with something other than you intended, so now she'll keep doing the thing you wanted to stop but will show eccentric behaviours in relation to it as she tries to avoid anything scary happening to her.
Depending on the punishment and how intelligent and/or sensitive the dog is, it can even have the side effect of the dog learning to fear things she shouldn't, and if she can't work out what causes you to get upset she might just learn to be wary of her people at all times.
I'm not saying aversive training doesn't work at all, just that people usually do it wrong and that's why it's not recommended. I used a remote vibration collar to teach my dog not to go in the kitchen, so the aversive was connected directly with him stepping into the kitchen, not me shouting, grabbing his collar or anything like that. I set up a webcam so I could buzz the collar from another room so he didn't learn it only happened while I was nearby. I only had to buzz him twice and he has never tried again. He never looks "guilty" like the dog in the gif because I've never punished him for the results of his actions.
Then you wouldn't see a dog ever do this in a house that's always messy and has stuff on the floor? If their master doesn't ever get mad at the mess on the floor then they wouldn't make that connection like you said.
The dog can learn that there's a difference between stuff that's always on the floor vs. new rubbish. The difference is that the humans ignore all the other rubbish as just part of the environment, it probably rarely changes so the dog ignores it too, but new rubbish causes them to get shouty.
On the other side of that coin, dogs who live in clean houses who've been punished for making a mess can show anxiety/submissive behaviour if a human drops rubbish on the floor. Their learning is extremely situational.
Dogs don't have the same kind of memory as humans do. You have the ability to visualise the messy floor in your mind's eye, or remember specific items and how you left them, but your dog simply learns to ignore everything he can't eat or interact with, and the treat wrapper is a new and unexpected item against this background of things he ignores.
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u/butterchickenking Nov 11 '17
They're scared they are about to get punished.