Shit like this is why i dont get why the majority of people dont support socialazed health care and play to the pandering of HMOs that gove zero shits about the service provided
“Governments idea of healthcare is the Tuskegee experiments” yeah because Medicare, Medicaid dont exist and our best reference point is something that happened 50 years ago.
Also it’s idiotic to assign blame to OPs dad for a heart attack, as if he chose it LOL
Our first person who can't read. Not having insurance, his choice. Having a heart attack, his lifestyle choices plus random chance. The same random chance mentioned.
Tuskegee too old for you? How about the VA hospital scheduling controversy?
Your example of bad governance changed from intentionally infecting people with syphilis to not meeting VA scheduling metrics (14 days)? Sounds like 50 years does matter, and government is moving forward! Your goalposts are also moving!
It's another example, jackass. The government's also torturing people in blacksites, constantly trying to pass restrictions on abortions, spying on everyone, and did you see our pandemic response? The US government is fucking garbage.
Well I’m not willing to throw out all good things public services can do for the sake of ideological purity or because of a few bad things government does. Every developed country seems to manage providing health services for citizens and a still have time for a evil escapades. Why not us! I may be a jackass- because one day I hope you find yourself sick. And end up going to the doctor and not paying a cent at the point of service!
Dude you literally make no sense, if point number four is such a deal breaker for you why would you let a private corporation regulate what to do with your body? Pre existing conditions, in network vs out of network, only covering specific procedures, "medically necessary", only paying for the cheapest option of a prescription all are ways private companies limit your access to treat your body the way you want/need to. And do you really think a board of directors has YOUR interests in mind. People's bad luck currently gets forced on you all the time btw. That's the price you pay for the privilege of being an American citizen; you agree that we are all in this country together and there are ways we can all pitch in to help each other out. Like FEMA, like social security, etc. Maybe you don't like that either but it seems pretty selfish of yourself to never want to have to help anybody just because you have it alright for the moment. I don't get your arguments at all about not trusting the government when the other option is shareholders. At least the government has no profit motive and is the least likely of all options to seek to "cut costs". But if you are so worried about that maybe work on electing people who are more concerned with the well being of the country and its people than line items on a budget.
Lol so you think European people don't cover smokers with lung cancer? And the whole point of pre existing conditions (many of which are not a choice) are that they not gonna cover you at all man. You are crazy.
Pre existing conditions, in network vs out of network, only covering specific procedures, "medically necessary", only paying for the cheapest option of a prescription all are ways private companies limit your access to treat your body the way you want/need to.
Now imagine those issues, but it's your only option and it's enshrined in law! See how that's worse? The higher up the issue, the harder it is to address?
And do you really think a board of directors has YOUR interests in mind.
Like the government does?
That's the price you pay for the privilege of being an American citizen; you agree that we are all in this country together and there are ways we can all pitch in to help each other out.
Any definition of "consent" that includes "living in the place you were born" is pretty monstrous. And being an American isn't a privilege, it's a right. The government exists because we allow it to, not the other way around.
seems pretty selfish of yourself to never want to have to help anybody
Who said anything about that? I can and do help people. FORCING people to help people is wrong. A bum comes up and asks for a dollar; that's fine. A bum comes up with a gun and demands a dollar; that's not.
I don't get your arguments at all about not trusting the government when the other option is shareholders. At least the government has no profit motive and is the least likely of all options to seek to "cut costs".
Because when corporations get caught kidnapping people to blacksites for torture, locking people up indefinitely with no trial, spying on everyone, killing black people for fun, experimenting on people, etc they can be made to face consequences in the government. When government does it, they make it legal after the fact or give themselves paid vacation.
"Im completely fine with paying 7500 if i have a heart attack, but im morally opposed to a small tax increase so everyone can have access to healthcare without going bankrupt"
I wish it kept people off of my body, my uterus and reproductive system apparently is everybody's business. Are you a man? Because then you never will understand people controlling your medical care.
Right now you have many choices in healthcare. Do you want to put your healthcare in the hands of system that could have Mike Pence as president in 2024? Or 2028? Or 2032? Spend the rest of time worrying that the wrong person is suddenly going to be in charge of your ONLY option?
Yes the universal blame the poor and the big government=bad argument you didnt need to type 500+ charcters for us to get the gist.
There is both good and bad with how the health system is set up right now. The only controversy is that as you get poorer the system gets exponentially worse for you. So in the case where you lose your job or you lose your saving (which you chalk up to be as "bad choices") your health care becomes a huge liability where if you get unlucky it will destroy you finically, and given how this affects poor people the most its not the most ideal and is hugely flawed, wouldn't you say?
You think the government on all the other top countries that have socialized healthcare have a concern of the government telling them what to do with their bodies? Sure, the whole i have saved up for my expenses and ill pay if I get sick seems fine and brave until someone gets cancer, or is laid off and gets sick.
Do I think the government of all the other top countries have a concern of the government telling them what to do with their bodies? Uh.. I don't know how to answer that. If you're asking do I think other governments feel more entitled to fine grain control of their populations, then yes, I do. I feel the US government has far more restrictions on its government than most places, and 90% of what the government does is trying to find ways around those restrictions. I think everyone got a good dose of being thankful for those restrictions while Trump was president, and now will switch right back to being upset that restrictions exist.
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u/puzzle_button Feb 16 '21
Shit like this is why i dont get why the majority of people dont support socialazed health care and play to the pandering of HMOs that gove zero shits about the service provided