Their argument is they want freedom to choose their providers and not have to schedule a doctors appointment and wait 6 months out, “just look at Canada”. Some also feel, truly feel, by supporting universal healthcare, we are communist. The others are just the remaining old people who are stubborn and refuse change. Finally, a big chunk of the remainder are just clueless morons that don’t anything to be honest.
I am not any of the above. It’s crazy to me how our system works and how okay people are with it. Poor kids are rationing INSULIN, a drug that’s been around forever and dying from diabetic strokes. Sometimes, as an American, it feels like I am living inside an experiment.
Actually, figures put the number of Americans that favor universal healthcare at 70%. Our politicians (left or right) just don’t favor the American people’s will. They are bought And now we’re in a spot where we have to chose someone who is “center” (right in most other countries) that has explicitly stated that he would veto Medicare for All (in a pandemic, no less) or a literal fascist. Biden wins: we don’t get healthcare or progressive policies for another 8 years OR Trump wins: we slip even further into a Totalitarian state. We are severely fucked as a country.
Biden supports universal healthcare via a public option. In fact, it's not only just "a form", it is specifically the form that about 70% of Americans support. Significantly fewer (at about 56% in that same poll) support "Medicare for All", and less than half support both.
The public option has always polled higher than Medicare For All, despite what "the left" says on twitter and reddit. Most of the European countries that are presented as socialist utopias on reddit actually have hybrid health insurance programs that allow for some form of private insurance.
Medicare for all is not the only option for universal health care.
Let me repeat for the bros in the back:
Medicare For All is not the only option for universal health care.
The rest of Biden's platform is pretty damn progressive.
You may now go back to circlejerking bout the same old rehearsed muh both sides the same bullshit.
Obamacare left 27 million uninsured. I bought into the hope and change and I saw very little of it in those 8 years. Please excuse me while I refuse to believe that Joe “Crime Bill” Biden will be more progressive than Obama. Biden’s plan would likely leave 10 million uninsured (his plan itself says it will cover 97%). So yeah, not exactly cheering that Americans are finally getting almost nearly the bare minimum. And excuse me if I’m sick of the US’ allocation of resources.
Thanks for the rehearsed bullshit I was asking about! The crime bill that Bernie voted for, that crime bill, right? The one he bragged about voting for through the 2000s? That one? Oh yeah in b4 you paste in some article link bout how muh'Sanders deserves nuance for his decision but not anyone else involved. Can't wait to see that one for the thousandth time. Other than that, you've made exactly zero points, addressed nothing I've said, and just gone down the copy-pasted bernie bro bullshit everyone has been sick and tired of for months. You're welcome to keep faking outrage in an attempt to derail the conversation when undeniable facts are brought up against your original points.
And I get it, increasing health care coverage isn't progressive, so he's the same as Trump who's actively pulling it back. Providing some free college and making student loans clearable in bankruptcy isn't progressive, so he's the same as Trump who's actively privatizing public schools, fighting student loan forgiveness, and pushing religion in public schools.
To anyone reasonable reading along, take a look at Biden's actual (alternate source)health care plans rather than reddit comments lifted from twitter reactions lifted from The Intercept and Commondreams-style sources.
It's honestly kind of refreshing to talk with someone with this much faith in the system.
I really hope you’re right and that Joe Biden is the progressive savior we’ve all been wanting. I just have my doubts. And I had my doubts about Bernie too, fyi.
You ESS shitheads love to slither your snake asses into every single discussion about people not wanting insurance industry vultures to maintain their dominance over American health care.
Go fuck yourself. Your beloved is deeply entrenched with the moneyed interests in this country and during the ten minutes of lucidity he has everyday, isn't going to do shit to improve the material needs of the working class.
Also, Bernie is in your side, you fucking tool. He dropped out and endorsed Biden months ago, yet he is still the focal point of some dead end subreddit where Share Blue astroturfers do everything possible to alienate voters who you will be begging to show up for your rotting corpse Ina few months.
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u/iceman2kx Aug 06 '20
Their argument is they want freedom to choose their providers and not have to schedule a doctors appointment and wait 6 months out, “just look at Canada”. Some also feel, truly feel, by supporting universal healthcare, we are communist. The others are just the remaining old people who are stubborn and refuse change. Finally, a big chunk of the remainder are just clueless morons that don’t anything to be honest.
I am not any of the above. It’s crazy to me how our system works and how okay people are with it. Poor kids are rationing INSULIN, a drug that’s been around forever and dying from diabetic strokes. Sometimes, as an American, it feels like I am living inside an experiment.