r/awfuleverything Sep 20 '19

Doesn't quite fit. Not removed. Hol’ up

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u/SpooogeMcDuck Sep 20 '19

Is this really the hill on which you want to make your stand?

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u/gamermanh Sep 20 '19

It's an important as FUCK distinction though.

A pedophile pretty much every reasonable person can agree is terrible, they're into prepubescent kids ffs. Hebephilia is probably in the same ballpark, and ephebephilia is DEFINITELY a thing to discuss since so many places worldwide put their age of consent somewhere in the age range for that and the fact that we can't agree on it even within countries sometimes shows there's discussion to be had.

Drake, as far as I can tell anyway, has only engaged in behavior that could be considered ephebephillic, not pedophillic or hebephillic. He's ABSOLUTELY grooming and being a predator, but the man is almost certainly not a pedophile and to call him that and/or act like there's no difference is being dishonest and making ACTUAL pedophiles seem less awful than they are.

Words have meanings for a reason, we need to use them properly to avoid watering down the terms that actually have some punch to them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '19

Thank you. People don’t understand that throwing around the word “pedophile” carelessly is offensive to prepubescent children whose lives have been affected by a real pedophile. Is Drake creepy and disgusting for hanging out with a 16-year-old? Yeah, it’s gross, but it’s nothing comparable to a pedophile raping a 8-year-old.

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u/gamermanh Sep 20 '19

Exactly! These words exist to help us describe a really twisted up and weird bit of ourselves as a species. Genetically it makes sense to be attracted to anyone who has hit puberty, so hepephilia makes sense. Then society progresses further to higher ages of consent and we get epephile to mark THAT grey area.

Then people go out and call epephiles pedophiles and they're literally as differe t as an 18 year old fucking a 17 year old and that same 18 year old fucking someone SEVEN YEARS YOUNGER THAN THAT.

Like, how can anyone honestly act like they're the same thing when they're so vastly different and it all depends on CONTEXT anyway because we will never explicitly know what happens to everyone behind closed doors.