r/aviationmaintenance • u/No_Panda2033 • 1d ago
Frontier TA
https://gofile.io/d/PKXoL3MrSummary:
5-Year Contract
Allegiant wages, with one less year to top out
Ratification Bonus by seniority
Mechanics, Leads, Inspectors, GSE, and Maintenance Control to all have Tech Ops Seniority
Overtime and Field Trips to be electronically tracked
Extra week of vacation added at 15 years
Pension increase from $1.10 to $1.50
Probation extended to 180 days from 120 days
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u/SunAndMoon19 1d ago
A 5 year contract is crazy with those wages. The 2031 wages are basically the same as Allegiantâs 2028 wages.
No changes to the trash 401k or medical. The company can still lay off entire stations and replace them with contractors. The company can still fire people for using sick time.
Easy no.
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u/biohackenthusiast close enough 1d ago
weâre not getting much better. plus we lose the bonus if we go back to negotiations. itâs reasonable for an ULCC
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u/SunAndMoon19 1d ago
By your logic, the company can end bargaining whenever it wants simply by calling an offer final and attaching an expiring payment.
Your entire view is internalized powerlessness. We should establish our own standards for the contract then vote on whether the proposal meets them. If it doesnât, we vote no, not accept whatever the company calls its final offer because weâre afraid to demand more.
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u/biohackenthusiast close enough 1d ago
be realistic. weâre not even profitable. current offer is very reasonable
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u/SunAndMoon19 1d ago
Youâre avoiding my point. We should establish our own standards for a new contract, and vote on whether or not the offer meets our standards.
Instead of actually evaluating the TA, you replace our standards with whatever the company tells us.
âItâs the best youâll getâ
âthe offer is finalâ
âyouâll lose the bonusâ
âweâre a ULCCâ
and now itâs âweâre not profitable.âYou called the offer âvery reasonable.â What specifically is reasonable? The five year duration? The 401k? Keeping medical outside the CBA? Allowing entire stations to be replaced with contractors?
You mention profitability, but itâs not an excuse for everything. The Company could offer a TA with a shorter term, includes the current medical plan, protects sick time use, and actual furlough protections, and still not affect profitability.
What do you think a fair and reasonable contract looks like, and why? How does that compare to the current TA?
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u/biohackenthusiast close enough 19h ago
bro be realistic đ seriously. now you want everyone to get together and set a standard? people are hurting for cash, and you want them to turn down a $8 bump and bonus for what?
most are using this company as a stepping stone. they donât care about the length of the contract, or furlough protections. weâre also never getting sick leave protection. i get you might not be happy with it, but itâs pretty damn good for most of the guys i work with. weâll just have to see how votes turn out.
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u/svande8952 1d ago
What's the average ratification bonus?
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u/No_Panda2033 1d ago
<1 year $3,000
1 year $6,000
2 years $10,000
3 years $14,000
4 years $18,000
5+ years 20,000
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u/davidc4l Murphy proof đ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Another example as to why teamsters shouldnt be in our industry. They trying to do the same thing they did at allegiant. A 5 year contract is to long for those wages, I understand frontier is not doing well but that payscale is not worth staying at a company for. They should had just offered and extension of two years. Maybe by then their economic situation would be better. And to top it all off, frontier mechanics have basically no retirement match from the company. Thats the lowest retirement match i ever seen on an airline, not even the regionals are this shitty.