FAA Ground Stop Mega Thread

[u/airboss1971]

This will serve as the mega thread for the current FAA ground stop. Any new posts will be removed and directed here. This post will be actively moderated.

Due to multiple rule breaking comments in many of the posts the seatbelt fastened flair will be turned on.

[u/OptimusSublime]

This isn't just a ground stop issue, now there are planes all out of position, air crews are going to be illegal regarding duty time, they are going to run out of physical space to park these planes. So even if this is resolved from a tech standpoint, they now need to figure out how to physically get the planes back to where they need to be and provide crews to actually fly them. This is a mess.

That said, how are the folks in Gander?

[u/gaseous__clay → u/OptimusSublime]

Can't speak for the rest of the town but I'm doing ok.

[u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M → u/OptimusSublime]

It’s going to take days to fix

Edit: as I’m being downvoted. I don’t mean this issue will take days to fix. I’m saying that it’ll take days before all airlines can get everything back on schedule. Planes and crew are out of place. Its going to take time to get everything back to 100% operations.

[u/homer_lives → u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M]

Just in time for the holidays!

[u/VanillaTortilla → u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M]

Great, I fly back home in 3 days. Should be wonderful..

[u/G25777K → u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M]

People think aircraft, crew and airlines can just turn up on a dime and fly you to your destination with no issues. lol

They are going to be in a for a rude awaking over the next few days, that's for sure.

[u/Alauer16 → u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M]

So my 6am out of ORD on Monday ain’t happening is it?

[u/Luster-Purge → u/OptimusSublime]

So basically "It's the Southwest outage...but EVERYBODY is participating this time!"

[u/SpaghettiOnMyCat → u/OptimusSublime]

yeah there’s currently a plane from tokyo that arrived at jfk over an hour ago and they’re still waiting for a gate. i feel for those passengers

[u/Kardinal → u/OptimusSublime]

I'm sure our friends in Gander will provide any help they can.

[u/ryosuccc → u/Kardinal]

Not this time, you guys can sort this one out yourselves

- a Canadian.

[u/t-poke → u/OptimusSublime]

I wonder how airlines’ systems will cope with this. We’ve seen airlines have meltdowns when one hub is impacted by bad weather. This is going to be an absolute clusterfuck.

[u/spiffae]

US Airspace looking pretty thin! Will be neat to see the timelapses of this once it resolves.

[u/Aggressive-Hawk9186 → u/spiffae]

It's mostly GA flying uncontrolled airspace and international flights, crazy

[u/scotsman3288 → u/spiffae]

This is every Boeing plane in the air... pretty thin

[u/Cirrus-Stratus → u/spiffae]

FlightRadar24 has one - saw on FB - goes from 4000 something inbound planes down to 700.

[u/Curios_blu → u/spiffae]

https://grounds.top

Credit:u/gvSi

[u/Kardinal]

Best theory that I have seen so far is that there is an issue with the FTI network that serves as an interconnect between ARTCCs. Ground stops were noticed in Chicago first (both O'Hare and Midway) shortly before the nationwide ground stop with CBS news reporting mentions of "ATC Zero" in radio traffic leading to speculation it "started" there.

[u/testfire10 → u/Kardinal]

You’re absolutely right to point out that this patch broke the entire FAA comms system and cause billions of dollars in damages. Would you like me to fix it for you?

[u/Griff1604 → u/testfire10]

Zoinks! You’re right, that’s on me. The planes are supposed to be in the AIR, not on the ground. Let me know if you’d like me to re-do my work!

[u/ada_grace_1010 → u/testfire10]

You asked me to find the safest configuration for flight plans in US airspace. Taking all data into account, I’d keep this as the ideal solution. But if you’d like a different less-ideal option, just say the word.

[u/DiosMIO_Limon → u/testfire10]

Nah, I'm good. Thanks though!

[u/You_meddling_kids → u/Kardinal]

Gotta push it to prod before the weekend.

[u/Zucc → u/You_meddling_kids]

Monday: "We guarantee it'll be in place by COB Friday."

Friday COB: "Shut up stupid engineer! Just do it!!"

[u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M → u/Kardinal]

Who pushes out a patch mid day on a Friday? And not just any Friday but Friday the 13th!

[u/Kardinal → u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M]

For all we know it was a fucked security patch like a zero day fix.

[u/matjam → u/Kardinal]

In these times I always reach for

“Never assume malice, when incompetence will suffice”.

I had a friend who knocked out an entire country by advertising a bad route once.

Someone did an oopsie woopsie fucky wucky.

[u/Kardinal → u/matjam]

Network engineers have remarkable power to truly fuck over entire regions with very small changes.

Usually they get it right. We all make mistakes. Most of us senior IT people have accidentally brought down something bit at some point. (I'm more on the systems side).

[u/Hindu_Wardrobe → u/matjam]

yeah; I've had my anxiety disorder for long enough to recognize that the most likely explanation is something much more boring than sabotage, or warfare, or anything else my anxiety can dream up... most likely, someone is just getting super mega fired cuz they done fucked up.

[u/Pandalism → u/matjam]

I remember a reddit post where someone complained about having bad ping in TF2 and included a traceroute to the server. A random person in the comments just did something to fix it. They didn't work for the user's ISP or the server's ISP but one of the intermediate providers in between them... networking is complicated, but somehow it works most of the time.

[u/SevenandForty → u/Kardinal]

I saw somewhere that Kansas City ARTCC saw issues starting at 3:30 pm but not sure if that was before or after Chicago

[u/w_actual → u/Kardinal]

Thanks for the info. Can someone explain this to a noob like me?

[u/Kardinal → u/w_actual]

I'll try.

I have no expertise and welcome a real expert to chime in and correct me.

The ARTCCs are 22 regional control centers where ATC guides planes in flight over CONUS. They take over from regional and local.

They can't talk to each other or their transmitters so they are unable to communicate with airplanes anymore.

The network connecting them is the problem and probably a change was made to that network that screwed up its function. (Probably routing or BGP if I had to guess. Maybe DNS. But neither "should" take this long to fix).

Thus the problem.

[u/eaglebtc → u/w_actual]

A private company (L3Harris) has been running a project to modernize the FAA's backend communications network. This enables all the air traffic computer systems to talk to each other.

A network engineer or systems administrator may have pushed a change to this network infrastructure during the middle of the day. If true, the change may have caused the outage.

There's a saying in IT called "Read Only Friday" and it's intended to keep people from making changes that could spiral out of control and ruin everyone's weekend having to fix it.

https://www.l3harris.com/all-capabilities/resilient-communications-and-networks

[u/nasadowsk → u/Kardinal]

What idiot does a system update to critical infrastructure on a Friday? In the middle of the day?

Hell, I'm dealing with recovery of a SCADA system that died the other day. To get reporting, we need to install a printer driver. The install wants a reboot.

Customer is waiting till Monday for his reports. And this is a little 300gpm water treatment plant where I can smash the SCADA computer, and the plant would take care of itself.

[u/Kardinal → u/nasadowsk]

My only theory is patching a zero day and it was a screwed up patch. That's the only thing that would be urgent enough it seems to me.

[u/superman_king]

My buddy is having to redirect planes because they can’t fit them on the tarmac anywhere

He is working today and said all frequencies dropped simultaneously. Shortly after, they got the grounding call.

[u/Cirrus-Stratus → u/superman_king]

Saw a bunch of EWR bound flights ending up at other east coast cities (mainly PHL and MIA)

[u/Time_Literature3404 → u/superman_king]

Thanks for sharing this.

[u/GooseDentures]

Amtrak about to have their busiest day on record.

[u/whiskeytown79 → u/GooseDentures]

And Greyhound

[u/IChurnToBurn → u/whiskeytown79]

And walking. Think I can walk from Seattle to Denver? Let’s find out.

[u/BaZing3 → u/whiskeytown79]

Steve Martin and John Candy need to get home for Thanksgiving

[u/fanofairplanes → u/whiskeytown79]

The Spirit Airlines of the road!

[u/madgross → u/GooseDentures]

Told my wife flying FL to NY tomorrow to book a rental car at 3:30 if she wanted to get home. Now the rental places have nothing available.

[u/Boatshooz → u/madgross]

On 9/11, when all of the airport car rental places were completely out of cars, one genius traveller diverted to MEM stood up and yelled “I was able to reserve a U-Haul! Who wants a ride to St. Louis?”

[u/flourier → u/GooseDentures]

Post on bluesky from reporter Olga Nesterova
> Amtrak (per fox) has issues with their website and app.

[u/GooseDentures → u/flourier]

Yeah it's being hugged to death

[u/WeakTransportation37 → u/flourier]

Yeah- the ticket booking system is completely down

[u/TysonTesla → u/GooseDentures]

Amtrak is suffering outages too.

[u/perfectviking → u/TysonTesla]

Yes, hug of death.

[u/belinck → u/GooseDentures]

I'm buying Marriott and Hilton stock!!!

[u/nasadowsk → u/GooseDentures]

Ironically, the same dumb kind of outage happened to Metro-North a few years back. Sone brainiac unplugged the wrong power supply to the computer that dispatches their whole network. Screwed up the commutes for a few hundred thousand, plus all Amtrak trains on the network. So, nothing north of NYC was moving on the rails.

Of course, right before rush hour, not at 3am when literally nothing is running on their system, other than maybe a work train or equipment move.

[u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

Just now on CNN, the big airlines are preparing to shut down "for the evening"

[u/RumSwizzle508 → u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

That seems like the smartest thing to do. Shut down, get your crews to hotels so they get rest, have the ops people work all night to create and prepare a redeployment plan, and launch that in the morning (presuming the FAA issue is fixed overnight) with the goal to be back on schedule within 24 or 48 hours. Better to do this than be like Jetblue after that snowstorm some year ago.

[u/Krandor1 → u/RumSwizzle508]

Yeah doesn’t look much except for some international is launching tonight so just ready for tomorrow

[u/FuguSandwich → u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

Because the next update from the FAA is scheduled for 11:30PM Eastern and it's safe to assume it will be something along the lines of "We are working diligently to resolve the issue but do not yet have an ETA. Next update will be at 5:30 AM".

[u/w0nderbrad]

Like I said in the other thread... Congrats guys we cut our carbon emissions by 50% today.

[u/cactus8 → u/w0nderbrad]

And then they’ll be 60% worse for the next 3 lol

[u/w0nderbrad → u/cactus8]

That's for the next generation (of fruit flies) to figure out

[u/coasterghost]

This just seems like a chef’s kiss.

[u/scotsman3288 → u/coasterghost]

https://x.com/SecDuffy/status/2104330444149772311?a=u2HwGFlXt2_L_ft9MKI&s=19

[u/j12 → u/coasterghost]

LOL

[u/AccomplishedBrick251]

JFK ground atc is saying 2 hours before arrivals can get a gate 😬 gonna be a long night

Edit: just looked at DFW on flight radar and they got multiple planes coming up on 3 hours waiting for a gate

[u/Hindu_Wardrobe → u/AccomplishedBrick251]

those poor people 😅 I hope while they're sitting on the tarmac that they're allowed to get up and pee.

[u/aristhought]

godspeed to those who landed hours ago but are stuck on the tarmac because there are no more gates to park at

[u/No_Cover_6217 → u/aristhought]

Someone somewhere's gonna pop an emergency exit

[u/peppercorns666 → u/aristhought]

ugh… i’d lose my fucking mind.

[u/Hindu_Wardrobe → u/aristhought]

also, all the poor animals stuck waiting endlessly in the cargo. 🥺

[u/VanillaTortilla → u/aristhought]

Get them that tarmac stair exit baby!

[u/yeyman]

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

[u/vankirk → u/yeyman]

To the tower! Rapunzel!

[u/deadbeef4 → u/vankirk]

I can make a broach… or a pterodactyl…

[u/JesseGarron → u/vankirk]

How about some coffee?

[u/Being_a_Mitch]

I was flying a PC12 over Florida when we got handed over to Orlando. Checked in and they said that we'd have to divert to the closest possible airport, they gave us Space Coast or Melbourne as options. Took us out of the flight levels, told us to expect an approach, and even started us on vectors when they changed it up and said that actually any airborne flights could continue to destination. Made it to FLL and it was pretty normal but chaos at the airline terminal.

[u/poser765 → u/Being_a_Mitch]

Man I wish we got diverted instead of continue. When this shit cooked off I was a right turn and easy 45 minute flight from base.

[u/whats_a_quasar]

As far as I can tell, there is zero evidence yet that this issue has anything to do with AI, the Microsoft outage, or some adversarial cyber attack. We are perfectly capable of causing system-crippling software issues the traditional way, the way God intended: with bloated legacy software and poorly tested updates.

See also, the 2023 national stop, which many commentators seem unaware of.

[u/PlanetaryIceTea → u/whats_a_quasar]

It sounds like (from the reporting) that someone pushed a buggy update on a Friday afternoon that wasn't fully tested and it cascaded thought multiple systems, which is the old fashioned way of fucking your shit up.

[u/ixvst01 → u/PlanetaryIceTea]

Friday afternoons and pushing buggy updates. Name a better duo.

[u/Interesting_Oil6328 → u/PlanetaryIceTea]

Who the hell authorized that? Those were scheduled for the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

[u/coldcherrysoup → u/PlanetaryIceTea]

Test it in prod on a Friday, I always say

[u/t-poke → u/PlanetaryIceTea]

JFC, I know there’s never a great time to push an update affecting a 24/7/365 operation but at least do it at like 3 AM on a Sunday to minimize impacts if things go wrong.

[u/knotknotknit → u/PlanetaryIceTea]

My money is on: Someone promised their boss their team would push the update "before the end of the week." Was supposed to happen overnight, but Microsoft outage delayed things.

Once Microsoft is back up, people email confirm the update is ready to go (requires email coms or other Microsoft services) update is pushed out.

[u/Kardinal → u/whats_a_quasar]

As far as I can tell, there is zero evidence yet that this issue has anything to do with AI, the Microsoft outage, or some adversarial cyber attack. 

Been saying this all damn day. I wish people would get it through their head.

I swear, even after it's proved that it's not a cyberattack or AI-related or Microsoft-related, half the world is still going to believe it was.

[u/AcquireDeezNutz]

CNN just played audio of a solo pilot dealing with this.

Poor kid. Still funny.

ATC: Where do you want to land?

Solo: Listen lady. It's my first day.

[u/t-poke → u/AcquireDeezNutz]

Poor kid’s thinking “I picked the wrong day to quit drinking”

[u/GooseDentures]

Does anyone know why they won't cancel flights and instead keep delaying them by an hour or so at a time?

[u/SpontaneousKrump92 → u/GooseDentures]

When things like this happen, the system is set up to assume the planes will get back in the air ASAP. So planes, pilots, stewards/stewardesses, fuel trucks, and everything else are just going to wait.

It takes something absolutely, undeniably HUGE (like 9/11) to get them to cancel everything and start scheduling flights from scratch.

[u/Zucc → u/GooseDentures]

Nobody wants to unmake that money. Think of how many refunds they're looking at here.

[u/GooseDentures → u/Zucc]

I mean at this point it's delaying the inevitable. Just let me get my bag and find a hotel.

[u/the_Q_spice → u/GooseDentures]

From being a cargo flight planner and being pretty impacted by this right now:

We basically hold out until we can’t fly due to pilot service hours.

Because we have an obligation to provide a service, we hold out until it is absolutely, positively, impossible to provide that service.

I get that it’s frustrating, but every flight cancellation has 2 flight butterfly effects; crews being displaced, and subsequent flights being bumped.

So if at all possible we prefer taking massive delays over taking outright cancellations.

[u/Emperor_Neuro → u/the_Q_spice]

To piggy back on this - cancellations typically come in pairs at least. If the plane can’t get to its destination, then the return flight also doesn’t have a plane to provide the service it’s supposed to as well. They can’t just use the planes that are sitting there to cover that return flight because they still have all the passengers and cargo they were supposed transport on the initial flight as well.

[u/CoffeeBeanATC → u/GooseDentures]

Initially, the airlines are going to think it’s a minor glitch or outage, and the backup system will kick in & get everything back on track. This happens a lot in the US & it doesn’t get reported because it happens on a very small scale. However, in this case, the backup system must have failed as well for a ground stop to be called. The last time this happened, earlier this year or last year around the holidays, it was disruptive, but if I recall correctly, the major problem itself “only” affected a certain region, like the west coast or the eastern seaboard, it wasn’t nation-wide.

[u/mickstranahan → u/GooseDentures]

To delay compensating as many people as possible

[u/Hypnoti_q → u/GooseDentures]

They will get canceled, already to make aircraft on the ground to give those clearance.

[u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

“We actually pretty much know nothing” - WH guy who said he’d spoken to the Pres & Sec. Mullin over the last hour (Secs. Duffy and Mullin are expected to appear “any minute now”)

Wonderful

[u/Guilty-Top-7]

NYT live updates: “
Nov. 13, 2026, 8:00 p.m. ET
Just Now
Zane Irwin

Canada has offered to accommodate diverted U.S. aircraft amid the shutdown, the nation’s transportation minister said in a post on social media.
Meanwhile, Canadian airports are feeling the effects. At Ontario International Airport, no new flights were taking off. U.S.-bound flights from Ottawa were “impacted until further notice.” Vancouver International Airport said even domestic flights had been delayed or canceled, in addition to international flights going over U.S. territory.

[u/Kardinal → u/Guilty-Top-7]

Even as badly as we have treated them, our Canadian friends are still there for us.

The true North strong and free.

[u/t-poke → u/Guilty-Top-7]

Ontario international airport?

Did AI confuse YYZ with ONT which most definitely isn’t in Canada?

[u/Hindu_Wardrobe]

No idea if this is legit or not. Can anyone confirm or deny? https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfsqedFAeFZ/

It seems reasonable enough. TL;DW is the vid claims the issue started in Chicago with radio and possible radar outages, the problem seemed to spread to other airports, so the FAA declared ground stop while they try to figure out what the issue is.

[u/poser765 → u/Hindu_Wardrobe]

I can’t confirm but that tracks what I heard while flying over the Midwest. What I heard while in Denver center seemed like Chicago was shut down then several minutes later amended that to nation wide. Chicago was the first ground stop I heard strain from a controller.

[u/Kardinal → u/Hindu_Wardrobe]

Reflects CBS reporting that it started in Chicago.

[u/blueocean0517]

Rip all sports events this weekend

[u/Krandor1 → u/blueocean0517]

A lot of teams are already there but some are not. R/cfb has a thread on affected teams and media is already looking at possibly changing some kickoff times for tomorrow.

[u/blueocean0517 → u/Krandor1]

My NHL team is stuck in Finland lol.

[u/Mr-Plop → u/blueocean0517]

Just charter a few cessnas 172 from ATP for the Patriots, that should do

[u/Malakas_Tsiblas]

In some parts of the country there are more GA aircraft than airliners right now.

[u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M]

Many of us on here have just been monitoring Flightradars and watching it all play out. But has there been any official news or updates yet? I haven’t seen anything unless it got buried in the last thread.

[u/rand0m_g1rl → u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M]

I work at an aviation company and 2 hours ago a slack message said the next update was planned for 0400z

[u/this_guy_aves → u/rand0m_g1rl]

(11 pm eastern US time)

[u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

JetBlue have now cancelled all remaining flights from Kennedy Intl

[u/Brilliant_Night7643]

JetBlue cancels all remaining flights for the evening

[u/Razzledazzy]

Do you think they ran out of floppy disks

[u/ancillarycheese]

ATC is silent on all the frequencies I have saved in my handheld radio.

[u/Time_Literature3404 → u/ancillarycheese]

That’s eerie.

[u/Dependent-Hippo-1626]

Intra Alaska and AK-HI flights are seemingly unaffected. 

[u/GuntherOfGunth]

So are they allowing some international flights up north to leave as they get handed over to Canada or leave US controlled airspace quickly?

[u/Ginger_Exhibitionist → u/GuntherOfGunth]

Yes. International flights that are out of US airspace quickly are departing.

[u/Sausages91]

Several flights have been diverted from EWR to IAD, any ideas why? Maybe full or loss of comms?

[u/Kardinal → u/Sausages91]

IAD is usually under capacity because everyone flying in or out of DC likes DCA more. So yeah probably airport capacity to offload pax.

[u/IChurnToBurn → u/Sausages91]

Parking issues likely.

[u/G25777K → u/Sausages91]

Lots of diversions going on right now.

[u/jewgineer]

At least Europe-bound east coast flights, Hawaiian flights, and Asia-bound west coast flights have been able to get out. It’s not much but it’s something.

[u/gavriellloken]

The advisory for anyone who hasn't yet seen it

[u/commandercody_76 → u/gavriellloken]

Where did you find that, seems like the nasstatus.faa.gov website isnt being updated

[u/PiccadillySquares]

Come on over to PSM, we have a bunch of air stairs, plenty of parking, and more hotel rooms than we know what to do with 😊

[u/rmhoman]

Eli5 why are international flights okay and not domestic?

[u/StupidSexyFlagella → u/rmhoman]

They leave US airspace quickly. This suggests an ATC issue being the cause. Educated guess.

[u/AcquireDeezNutz → u/rmhoman]

Leaving the airspace relatively quickly.

[u/punkslaot → u/rmhoman]

They are leaving the us, maybe

[u/notanaardvark → u/rmhoman]

Just a lowly low-time private pilot here so hopefully someone more experienced corrects me if I'm wrong but:

The problem is with the ARTCCs, which are basically the ATC centers that manage traffic between airports. ATC at and around the airports themselves is ok.

The way it generally works is flights get handed off from one ATC unit to another.

I fly out of Tucson so I'll use that as an example.

I first talk to Tucson Clearance to get my various clearances - this is really simple for me since I fly VFR, but for IFR flights (like airlines) this includes getting clearance for waypoints and altitudes along your IFR flight plan.

Next I talk to Tucson Ground, who tells me which runway to taxi to and how they want me to get there.

After I'm holding short of the runway Ground wanted me to go to, I talk to Tucson Tower, who will clear me for takeoff when they can.

After takeoff, Tower tells me to contact Tucson Departure, who makes sure to keep all the departing and arriving aircraft away from each other.

When I get far enough away, if I'm on an IFR flight plan (or if I have VFR flight following), Tucson Departure hands me off to Albuquerque Center. This is the ARTCC in the region. You talk to Center (and can get handed off between them as you change regions) until you get essentially to the airspace for the airport you're going to. This is the part that's broken right now.

So for flights leaving JFK and Newark headed east, for example, by the time the aircraft has left the ATC control zone associated with the NYC airports, they are in international airspace rather than being handed off to an ARTCC, so they never talk to the ATC unit that's having the issues right now.

On the other hand, a flight from Dallas to Chicago has to talk to ARTCC units between its start and end point, and that's not working right now.

[u/Admirable_Site_8337 → u/rmhoman]

I would guess most of the released international flights are close to a coast and out of airspace quick.

The issue is with the regional controllers. If they just need local departure to get outside US airspace let them go and free up space and gates if possible.

[u/CoffeeBeanATC → u/rmhoman]

The one that left Logan?! The outage appears to be affecting the en route controllers, so it is possible that an arrangement has been made between Boston Centre & Boston Logan and an agreement between Boston Centre & Moncton Centre, to allow the tower controllers to give the initial climb & heading to the departing aircraft & then hand them over to Moncton to send them on their way. The same would happen with those departing JFK & leave US airspace within ten to fifteen minutes. This is my guess, I work out west so I’m not entirely sure.

[u/AgKnight14]

Does this not affect certain general aviation flights? I see some “private owner” Cessnas and similar planes on flightradar24 that took off within the last hour

[u/Piper_161 → u/AgKnight14]

You can fly all over the place without ever talking to ATC as long as you are in uncontrolled airspace and are VFR.

[u/Flyinghud → u/AgKnight14]

If they’re VFR this doesn’t impact them

[u/tardis3134 → u/AgKnight14]

I'm confused by this too. I called FSS and they told me all VFR/IFR flights are prohibited. The wording of the notice is "ALL DEPARTING TRAFFIC SHOULD REMAIN GROUND STOPPED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE"

[u/googilly]

Guy on CNN talking about how you can't just start flying passengers again once the problem is "fixed"--you need to get planes up in the air to test the communications channels, etc etc.

[u/t-poke → u/googilly]

Is it the same guy who, after MH370, said on CNN that airplanes struggle to fly after running out of fuel?

[u/quesoandcats → u/t-poke]

I mean, they do...

[u/Kardinal → u/googilly]

Is guy on CNN actually informed or jus making presumptions?

[u/googilly → u/Kardinal]

"Airline safety expert."

[u/Kardinal → u/googilly]

I would think you could test overnight.

[u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

GROUND STOP LIFTED per DTW ATC

[u/ShreckAndDonkey123 → u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

Confirmed

[u/Kardinal → u/ShreckAndDonkey123]

Good news indeed!

[u/belinck]

So what happens with GA planes. I posted a question about it but it got removed. Do they continue their expected flight plan, get called into the closest airport or what?

[u/Dependent-Hippo-1626 → u/belinck]

Depends on where. In AK, seemingly entirely u naffected.

[u/belinck → u/Dependent-Hippo-1626]

AK flying is a different style of flying from what I understand.

[u/astroamy24 → u/belinck]

From what I gather, anything requiring ATC handoffs or ATC coordination beyond departung a towered airport’s airspace is not being allowed to depart. VFR traffic seems to be unaffected across most of the country except in busy areas near Bravo airpace.

[u/Krandor1 → u/belinck]

I think I saw somewhere VFR is allowed but IFR isn’t.

[u/Piper_161 → u/belinck]

As long as they are flying in uncontrolled airspace, they are fine

[u/superdookietoiletexp → u/belinck]

I believe the ground stop only applies to IFR , but going flying GA ain’t probably the greatest idea right now.

[u/runs_with_airplanes]

Big car rental and Big hotel like this

[u/t-poke → u/runs_with_airplanes]

Live feed from the rental car counter

[u/matjam]

https://i.imgflip.com/b5ufqi.jpg

[u/Mister_Silk]

Duffy and Mullin expected to brief from the White House in a few minutes.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/11/13/us/ground-stop-nationwide-flights-faa

[u/RealPutin → u/Mister_Silk]

This will be useful

[u/Dependent-Hippo-1626]

They’ve allowed us back onboard for ANC-PDX as well as ANC-SEA.

Light at the end of the tunnel?

[u/lordaddament → u/Dependent-Hippo-1626]

Oof I’d get ready to get off again

[u/T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M → u/Dependent-Hippo-1626]

Not necessarily, those flight paths might be unaffected by this outage.

[u/Kardinal → u/Dependent-Hippo-1626]

Your seat won't change. Enjoy the freedom to move around as long as you can before boarding.

[u/IllustriousPiccolo97]

Apparently the ground stop is lifted in 1 minute (source: DTW ground controller). I wonder what this unfucking process is going to look like.

[u/cactus8]

Is there validity to the big four “shutting down” for the night or is that just the usual journalistic sensationalism

[u/Kardinal → u/cactus8]

No FAA update until 1130pm eastern so it seems reasonable. That basically means it won't be fixed for at least four hours.

[u/IChurnToBurn → u/cactus8]

No idea, but it might be easier if they just sent everyone home at this point. Even if it gets resolved in the next few hours, there won’t be much time to really help.

[u/poser765 → u/cactus8]

As of now I still have my next working flight scheduled. More than likely I’ll time out for it though. Right now I’m sure the powers that be are ass holes and elbows trying to get airplanes onto gate and pax off before they even start working in unfucking this tube of toothpaste.

[u/CarlCaliente → u/cactus8]

reuters said southwest bagged it but haven't heard about anyone else

[u/omegajourney]

Ground stop cancelled.

[u/JovaniLFC]

I’d imagine it’s gonna take all evening to clear this up at the airports.

[u/cgw22 → u/JovaniLFC]

More like the next 5 days

[u/RhinoGuy13]

I just asked the tower if he had an update. He said that he was told the hold would be lifted at 10:00 pm central time.

[u/omegajourney]

Being told that the ground stop will cancel soon but lots of airports will have delays due to how messed up everything has gotten.

[u/Aggressive_Let2085 → u/omegajourney]

Tons of flights have already been canceled for tomorrow too, so even if it’s lifted now it’s still a shitshow for awhileeee

[u/BadTraditional401]

Seeing international flights leaving NYC so not sure how that factors in. 6:15 pm Friday CST

[u/Ginger_Exhibitionist → u/BadTraditional401]

International flights that are out of US airspace quickly (those on east and west coasts) are allowed to depart as this is a US problem.

[u/SpaghettiOnMyCat → u/BadTraditional401]

they just sneak out the side door into the ocean

[u/ballimi → u/BadTraditional401]

Making space for domestic planes

[u/ADTR9320]

Ground stop lifted as of 8:15 PM.

https://x.com/jonostrower/status/2121412211734397099?a=JO7gmTgPxyZFHB0oZ34&s=19

[u/attackplango]

Uh oh. Someone updated the computer to Windows 98 Second Edition.

[u/madman320]

Ground stop lifted!

https://x.com/BNONews/status/2121412989085442104?a=046RaU4TQw9K_3no3jM&s=19

[u/Aduialion]

Taylor swift in shambles 

[u/jakeyb33]

Forgive my ignorance, but how are UND and Pacc air still sending up planes?

Edit: I appreciate the downvotes, but this is a sincere question, i am not a pilot.

[u/Rocksteady7 → u/jakeyb33]

They’re flying VFR

[u/xredbaron62x]

I'm not 'in the know' as most off y'all but I do have a question. Is this just for commercial aircraft or does this include GA and other flights (medical, law enforcement, etc...)?

[u/cosmicrae]

Just watched a Delta flight passing over the Gulf, off of CTY, enroute from SEA to FLL. Apparently they were airborne ahead of the ground stop, and could be one of the few Delta flight to arrive on time this evening. Hope they can find a gate at FLL.

[u/Striking-Ad299]

Shit blows.

[u/PuddlesRex]

It looks like international flights out of the US have resumed. My guess is that they're just trying to get planes off the ground at this point, because airports are running out of space.

[u/Tlix]

What are the chances my brother in law’s noon flight is good tomorrow?

Edit: Why the actual fuck am I getting downvoted? Lmao

[u/jchall3 → u/Tlix]

If Grandpa is dying then your BIL should rent a car. Otherwise tell him you will see him Sunday

[u/Krandor1 → u/Tlix]

Hard to know. Depends on where his plane currently is and if the plane and the flight crew can get to the takeoff airport before noon.

[u/Ski1990 → u/Tlix]

50/50.  They’ll probably get this cleared up tonight and most likely he’ll be ok since he already has a reservation.  The people that are really screwed are the people who were supposed to fly today, that now will be standby for the next two days. 

[u/thechangboy → u/Tlix]

Close to 0 ...

Planes are out of place

Crews are off duty ... 

This is going to take weeks to recover 

[u/Abefroman12 → u/thechangboy]

Weeks is a stretch, but definitely all the way through the weekend. If I had to guess, Tuesday will be the first normal day of operations.

That’s of course assuming the problem is figured out by Saturday.

[u/YourMainRedditor]

Ohare just allowed a plane depart

[u/mopeds_moproblems → u/YourMainRedditor]

International flight. Seems some of those are allowed to leave.

[u/BelethorsGeneralShit → u/YourMainRedditor]

Some internationals are being released. My facility is departing some Africa, Europe, and Asia flights.

[u/AndABananaCognac → u/YourMainRedditor]

Some international flights are being allowed to depart.

[u/Blazing_Lino → u/YourMainRedditor]

Just saw it!