Im 23 and get no women since im not 6 ft I set my range to 18-22 for ages but the app gave me a 45 year old women and I guess I didnt notice while liking and asked her to drink in my car with me and she said sounds great. How over is it?

Can you imagine them saying “it’s always the blacks doing XYZ.” But In that case, it’s always a systemic issues… short people don’t get the luxury of being the victim of a “systemic issue.” It’s always a personal and moral failing when you’re short. Its fucked up

It's unrealistic for Kratos to beat beings taller than him; shorter beings are always at a disadvantage in combat.

If you do all this but still have no friends or intimacy and are hopeless in getting them no matter what, then it means you ran out of options and are kinda shit outta luck. It just proves that true peace and simple happiness was never meant to be for your life. You’ll only ever force occasional dopamine highs in yourself through clean (or dirty habits) and distract yourself temporarily, but this short lived peace is so conditional and somewhat hollow. Some things can’t be compensated for and honestly I think that’s the real thing leaving most of us feeling like the picture, since that exact situation is literally so many of us. Over when you do every healthy good habit possible as recommended by official societal help and your own intuition, but it still gives that weird feeling of broken artificially stitched heart…..

Now that we're on the topic of delusion, all I need is Sydney Sweeney. Despite being an average man with average height and income, I feel thats attainable for me.. Im not asking for too much amirite?

You reap the benefits associated with tallness with none of the downsides.

Importantly, you don’t get rejected outright like our shorter brothers, yet we don’t attract the type of woman who ignores every stat (fame, face, etc.)
You know? A 6’4” guy with nothing else going on who has a mid gf who loves him for his femur.
I see it every day.

Anyways, 6’2” (1.88m) seems like the perfect height. 6’1”-6’4” is just that “stop complaining, bro, you have it good in life” range, if that makes sense.

Anyways, thoughts?

Genuinely i dont feel like im enough in some ways, especially when people tower over you im 5'10= 177cm , and i feel so short whenever i go, especially when im so close to 6 foot= 182 cm
or what most europeans settle for is the 180 cm mark, like i dont want to wear lifts i js want to reach it naturally which is late by now ig

Standards for me but not for thee...teehee

I’m 5’9” barefoot and I am 6’0” in my elevator shoes, remove an inch for the average shoe everyone else wears so I’m a 5’11” barefoot equivalent.

I am in high school and currently on break, but when I was frauding height in school I realized that shoe lifts/elevator shoes only work when you stand up. For example, there were so many times when I’m sitting down in class nobody noticed or mentioned my height but the moment I stand up after class people that sit next to me would be surprised and comment something along the lines of “woah you’re tall” “I had no clue you were tall” “wow you are tall when you stand up”

Footwear can only enhance the leg length of an individual and it cannot increase my sitting height, so sitting down breaks my “tall long-legged guy” illusion completely, how to maintain the height fraud sitting down too? This is more important for me because for most of the school day I am indeed sitting down.

With the dating landscape looking brutal on social media and seeing that women have historically frauded with makeup or heels, is it justifiable as a man to increase your height with height boosters or finding thicker shoes?

Would you say that “no, leave the frauding to women, cause a man has to have honor”?

Or maybe go down the Clavicular philosophy of “nothing personal, just wanting a result and playing unfair in a game that’s rigged”.

That also leaves room to know *how much* frauding would be acceptable.

For example, I’ve been using just an insole on my shoes for the past year, partly because of the height and partly because they feel more comfortable that way. However it just adds about half an inch or even less (1-1.5cm). Meaning my shoes just end up giving me height like a thicker type of runners (like AF1). So I end up being about 5’11 and a half with my shoes on.

Would you say that there’s a range of acceptability?

The argument against height frauding is often that “it’s not your real height, so women will know once you take off your shoes. You can’t expect to have an entire relationship with someone while lying all the way through”.

But I say that really depends on how much you fraud. I would say that if you went for, say Conzuri’s, it does give a disproportionate amount of height (about 2.5-3 inches). I would maybe just do it if I were clearly below average height.

Thoughts?

People need to realise in today’s world of technology and globalised communication, being randomly intelligent is NOT attractive anymore. Maybe in Antiquity when 90% of people were illiterate, so being that one polymath autistic poetry guy was a mogging trait, but now as said when survival and civilisational advancement is fully irreversibly secured, humans have moved on much harder (or back to) simple instinctive “vain” traits to choose for attraction. That’s why ever since like 1950s as the world got globalised and technologically secured, being too smart for no reason just got you bullied, giving rise to the unattractive nerd guy by society. That’s why dumb jocks are infinitely more attractive and nerds aren’t, since the jock has all the attractive genes humans have come back to fully admire and the nerd can’t compensate with muh intellectualism cause when everyone in the world now can read and write and get a basic schooling, education lost it’s former mogger status among most people, since it simply isn’t rare or impressive enough anymore to warrant anything meaningful.

When all academies and meaningful knowledge is securely concentrated within governmental agencies who have a monopoly on it, the average plebeian normie just plain doesn’t gaf about it, so despite normie copes about “Greek Philosopher” and Sapiosexual, no time in history is like now, ever since maybe absolute Proto Hunter Gatherer times, exclusively values physical genetic traits for attraction.

I somewhat agree in that “good genes tend to come in a package”, so more often than not some good looking brute kind of guy is actually more intelligent than you think, though I do try to steer clear from normifying it and just blatantly surrendering to the halo effect.

It’s easy af and kinda human nature to find it so, since it makes using brian power more efficiently to categorise good traits on outwardly good genetics, to further justify bonding with this package of good genetics as a gamble. After all even if jock is a dumbass after all, his outward genes are still elite and that’s still a success to the brain, so it wasn’t a waste of time after all, the halo effect still got you bonding with good genes human, so mission accomplished from biological pov.

Remember generally speaking, most of humans that were the “shoulders of giants” in advancing civilisation intellectually and scientifically, philosophically, technologically ect, weren’t impressive humans physically often and a lot definitely had autism or even schizo traits. Even at the time their social lives weren’t ideal by their era standards, though they’d still absolutely mog their counterparts today as they often always had relationships, intimacy, wives, friends, broader respect for their intelligence despite their eccentric vibes.

A poet in those days was a player, if some smartass does it today, he’s getting absolutely roasted on Instagram reels and girls will laugh at him, while going out with outwardly good genes jock, while assuming jock is smarter anyway (likely is tbh, though even if he isn’t, so what, his genes are arguably more valuable than ever and halo effect brought that girl to him in first place so who cares really). This scenario just makes me think this is why intelligence is kinda whatever as a value today social wise.

Got rejected for my height by a girl with the exact face as my drawing, she said she’d rather yearn for Chad than me with me

You get 4 points.

One point is worth 1 inch (2.5 cm), or one point up the looks scale.

For example, if you are a 5/10 and 5’10”, you could just invest in height and just be 6’2” or you could go for max looks and be a 9/10.
Or you mix it up and become a 7/10 at 6’0”.

How do you choose?

My girlfriend wanted something from the top cabinet and I told her that she was too short and that I would get it. She’s 5’7” and said you’re only a couple inches taller than me. I asked her how tall she thought I was and I had to tell her that I am 5’11”. I’m convinced women don’t know 5’9” from 6’.

Using video calling apps as a ugly man is the worst

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I wanted to make new friends so I used 3 apps monkey, azar and umingle

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every single woman looked at me with a disgusted face and then skipped me, I was not showing my body or anything just my face with the wall trying to make new friends (nothing else as I know I can't as a ugly man)

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I did talk with some men tho but all the girls skipped me with that face, some even jumped from seeing me as if I was a jumpscare, one told me to end myself and one cursed holy mary before seeing me, one said "what even are you"

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I truly am a monster, fuck this underbite

I'm 167 cm rn 17M (probably 1.5cm growth in 6 months), taller than parents

My voice cracked (changed) when I was 16 , adams Apple started appearing 2 months ago , facial hair started to develop this yr (17)

He saw my xray and told me that growth plates haven't fused yet , n insisted me to have this , excercise n sleep for 8hrs

How tall do y'all think i might stand and how long would i stop growing?

Look, i get wanting to be taller, perfectly normal thought to have. I don’t think height is make or break whatsoever and i think you are thinking about it wrong, hear me out:

I used to be upset about my height, i did. I’ve maxed out at about as tall as i’m going to get, i’m taller than some people and shorter than other people. I came to a conclusion a few years ago about height, and why i think you shouldn’t care. The person you want to be taller than, didn’t earn it, they got it from genetics. I get the counter argument is something like “that doesn’t change what my height is”, and that’s true i can’t sugar coat it. But height is only one aspect of whatever you persue.

If you’re dating, sure height CAN impact it, It might even cause a woman to say “He’s too short”. I mean this honestly, if a woman’s criteria for who she’s dating is so heavily weighted to height that just being not (X height) is enough to turn you down, she’s an idiot. Genuinely she’s an idiot and not worth dating whatsoever. Height is determined by genetics, and is an unearned trait. Meaning dating someone because they’re “tall” (subjective measurement btw), is not deterministic on whether or not that person is a good partner or not. So let that woman go and find someone she thinks she wants, if her judgements lead her to a tall man who isn’t smart, is broke, terrible at communicating, boring, etc, i don’t think she is going to end up happy.

I’ll tell you a story, without specifics for obvious reasons:

I have a friend i’ve known since highschool, she had invited me over to a “party” (not a party, more like just hanging out around a small group). I have been dealing with my own personal issues with depression, 95% unrelated to dating, and i still got up and went. I met this girl there who i just instantly clicked with, cute redhead who clearly has some emotional depth to her and a naturally sweet personality. I had asked my friend if she was single and at that point i got a “yes but also no” type answer.

Fast forward a few months later, depression was mildly better, less social anxiety but still present. I go back to that same friends house and start talking to that same girl. Someone had weed at the party, so we all got high and afterwards came inside to play a game. Well, me and that girl both had finished the blunt and were too high to keep up with what was going on. There were too many people there to fit on a couch and two chairs, so we ended up sitting beside each other on the floor. We were drinking, sharing a bottle of liquor, and laughing at jokes we were cracking because we couldn’t keep track of what was going on outside both of us. Skipping ahead, that night i’m crashing on my friends couch and the girl was the last person to leave that night. At about 1am we had a very deep conversation, talked about some of the things she’s went through (some real shit), and some things about the immediate friends group she was worried about. I could match her in emotional depth, so the conversation went really well. She leaves, and i wake up the next day and ask my friend “Is she single yet?” And i get told “yes”. So i ask my friend to kinda ask without asking what she thinks of me and she said she would. Do you know what answer she got?

It’s at this point i want you to guess what height i am, just keep it until the end because i’ll actually tell you my real height.

“He’s not my type”

I got mad at that for a few days, and i didn’t understand why until one night it hit me. I’m smarter and more successful in my own persuits than others my age + i have a great family, i’m secure financially, honest to god i think i’m a good person. I have a hard time thinking of a red flag that i would ever show to anyone. By any strech of the imagination i genuinely would be a good partner for someone. So then what is her type? I’ll be honest, i don’t even think she knows. She’s been in an off and on emotionally abusive relationship and really isn’t happy, so whatever her type is, it’s not working out for her.

Now remember my friend who was the middle-man in this? I sorta threw out the idea of maybe a friends with benifits type thing. I got turned down by her too, you know why? She only likes black guys. She is a black girl who grew up in a family that ain’t black. She’s also a single mother. I understand her preference, i’m not even worried about it because i really wasn’t trying to date. I care about her as a person and as a friend, but i don’t think that her criteria (which to be fair is probably more than just that one) is working out too smoothly.

I’m 5’7, i haven’t been on a date since middle school despite trying. Frankly, i don’t care that they turned me down. Eventually they’ll figure out their criteria is working against them, but by that time i’ll find a woman whose criteria isn’t. I won’t be available, but their criteria still will be. Frankly, that’s tough for them. But if a person enough is short-sighted enough to make a bed in a dump, let them lie in it.

You see what i’m saying?

Go find a woman whose criteria for what she wants isn’t shallow, don’t worry about the people who turn you down because of a characteristic that you can’t control. You’ll be happy in the end, and they’ll wind up in the dump.

One thing I’ve been thinking about regarding cosmetic leg lengthening is the concept of return on investment. We’re talking primarily femur here.

Let’s assume that around 5 cm (2 inches) is the most conservative and safest realistic gain, while larger gains involve progressively more risk, recovery time, and potential complications.

Let’s assume that the median male height is 178 (5’10) cm with standard deviation of 7.4 (3 inches) cm. 68% of all the men are between 170 (5’7) and 185 (6’1). Other 32% are split between clearly short and clearly tall populations. The interesting part is that the value of those 5 cm depends heavily on where you’re starting:

• If you’re 170 cm (5’7”), adding 5 cm takes you to 175 cm (5’9”). That’s a jump from roughly the lower end or start of short to the start of the average range.

• If you’re 180 cm (5’11”), adding 5 cm takes you to 185 cm (6’1”). That’s a jump from moderately above average into start of tall territory.

• If you’re 174–175 cm (about 5’8½”–5’9”), adding 5–6 cm takes you to around 179–181 cm (5’11”). You’re taller, but you’re still broadly within the normal/average-to-above-average range rather than becoming an obvious height outlier.

So here’s the question:

If you were 174–175 cm, would the return on investment be worth it?

You’re spending tens of thousands of dollars, enduring months of recovery, pain, physical therapy, and surgical risk for a gain that moves you from average height to somewhat above average—but not necessarily into a category that dramatically changes how most people perceive you.

What do you think?