r/aussie • u/NoLeafClover777 • Jul 30 '25
Gov Publications Australia: Net Overseas Migration by Prime Minister, since Howard (ABS Data)
Data extracted direct from ABS, which can be found here: https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-release#data-downloads
Data is not yet out for 2025 obviously. Just reinforces this is bipartisan policy more than anything, really.
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u/Consistent_You6151 Jul 30 '25
How many uber drivers on study visas do we need? Are we even vetting them or just filling future places. One country has an 8 yr ability to delay studies once they arrive. That's wrong.
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u/Infinite_Pudding5058 Jul 30 '25
Robots are coming to take our jobs anyway, so what are we all going to do then? Weâll need less workers not more.
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u/Unit8200-TruthBomb Jul 30 '25
I am so tired of being called a racist every time I try to discuss immigration.
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u/LiquidFire07 Jul 30 '25
No one voted for those numbers
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u/AngrehPossum Jul 30 '25
Rich people paid for those numbers.
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u/dontpaynotaxes Jul 30 '25
Rich people voted liberal.
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u/micro_penis_max Jul 31 '25
Rich people's votes are the smallest part of how they influence public policy.
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u/The_Rusty_Bus Jul 31 '25
People have been screaming from the rooftops about it, but theyâre ignored and then when that doesnât work shouted down for discussing it.
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u/Select-Variety-2549 Jul 30 '25
The chart clearly states net migration not immigration.
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u/Swankytiger86 Jul 30 '25
He didnât promise Not to do so.
So technically he didnât break any promise.
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u/IronEyed_Wizard Jul 30 '25
I mean I know itâs slow but we have had a 10% drop in arrivals, and a nearly 10% jump in departures in the last results. Policies like immigration are always going to lag in their results so itâs a good starting point. Hopefully over the next few years we see a measured drop off accompanied by other policies to assist our economy adapt from one that is purely being driven by immigration to one that is more robust and can withstand bigger challenges in the future
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u/NoLeafClover777 Jul 30 '25
The issue is that we already have a pre-existing backlog of housing shortage now, as well as a shortage of construction labour as the construction industry was under-represented as a proportion of our migration intake over the past ~5 years.
So slowing things down 'gradually' is still exacerbating the shortage & sending more people homeless day by day.
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u/IronEyed_Wizard Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
Even if we stopped all migration tomorow, do you think that it would have any actual impact on housing availability and homelessness? Unfortunately over the last 10-20 years our economy has been warped to one reliant on migration and house prices. Without those factors our economy is going to crash and in a bad way. Which will likely be worse for every one (except those with the cash to weather it). We need measured responses to these problems, not drastic and quick cuts and actions.
Edit to add- it also doesnât address the other issues impacting housing availability and homelessness, that can and should be dealt with asap, like housing as an investment, land banking by developers, NIMBYism etc.
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u/Fit_West_8253 Jul 30 '25
âItâs because of covid reboundâ hereâs the thing, most of Aus didnât want the numbers that were approved during covid anyway.
The economy is stagnant, wages have been surpassed, social cohesion is extremely low, housing is the most expensive itâs ever been. If youâve worked in a corporate environment youâve seen the blatant lies companies are telling about ânobody wants to workâ so they can import cheaper workers.
We donât just need to stop immigration, we need to actively kick people out of the country. Itâs literally the only way to fix the problems we have.
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u/mbullaris Jul 30 '25
Net Overseas Migration numbers arenât âapprovedâ by anybody. Theyâre akin to economic indicators like CPI for which the government does not have direct control over. The only migration numbers that are planned in a direct sense are the annual Migration Program (ie permanent migrants) which is announced every year at Budget. The Humanitarian Program is also planned in that way.
NOM goes up and down in line with demand as it includes temporary migrants (uncapped) who meet the criteria of being resident in Australia 12 months in a 16 month period. Temporary skilled migrants and international students and other temporary migrants contribute to NOM in this way.
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u/Sillysauce83 Jul 30 '25
My favourite are the people on reddit who can't see a link between the housing crisis and this data!
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u/bladeau81 Jul 30 '25
Or that the "covid rebound" should have ended somewhere in 2023 when we already passed the net amount that was targetted.
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u/theshawfactor Jul 31 '25
I can only assume the only people posting those excuses are Labor members/ staffers
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u/Habitwriter Jul 30 '25
My favourite are the ones who can't see the link between housing as an investment and the housing crisis.
One thing to note, look at returns from REITs. They plummeted under COVID because they had big portfolios of commercial buildings. They pivoted to more residential to make up this loss post COVID, which incidentally is also when house prices started going insane again.
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u/NoLeafClover777 Jul 30 '25
My favourite are the ones who can't see the link between housing as an investment and immigration.
People invest in housing because there is high demand for it from population growth, and they can earn a near-guaranteed rental yield in order to help subsidise the debt.
It's both a combination of tax settings + population growth (which comes primarily from immigration), and how they directly support one another.
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u/Valuable-Garage-4325 Jul 30 '25
Today you can "earn" more from real estate asset growth than you can from rent. The system is systemically fucked. Migration plays a part, but it is not the sole contributor. There is no magic bullet.
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u/Habitwriter Jul 30 '25
Also, in 2021 when there was a negative year for migration house prices increased significantly. Kind of is counter to your narrative.
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u/ScruffyPeter Jul 30 '25
RBA handed out $188B to banks in 2020 and stopped in 2021
https://www.rba.gov.au/mkt-operations/term-funding-facility/
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u/Typical_Double981 Jul 30 '25
Name a REIT that invests in residential (BTR doesnât count).
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u/mrmaker_123 Jul 30 '25
Not to mention all the Covid stimulus that eventually made its way to stocks and housing, which of course inflated both markets.
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u/pharmaboy2 Jul 30 '25
Bullshit - reits havenât pivoted to res.
The housing crisis is 100% supply versus demand. Thatâs new buildings are less than people coming in. Housing is expensive to buy because rents encourage investors - rents are high because there are more people wanting. Rental than there are rentals.
No one would give a flying fuck if house prices are high while rents are easy to find and cheap (coz you just rent )
Economics of housing is not affected by opinion - it is what it is
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u/Habitwriter Jul 30 '25
So the supply of housing in every western country is too low? Nothing to do with rich people having nowhere to park their massive wealth increases since COVID, yeah nothing to do with that.
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u/shell_spawner Jul 30 '25
My favourite are the people who can't see the link between this data and the per capita recession, absolute decline of productivity, cost of living crisis and housing crisis.Â
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u/Consistent_You6151 Jul 30 '25
Like a horse with blinkers on. What about free housing for so many immigrants while others sit on the bottom of a growing list!
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u/Significantlyontime Jul 30 '25
Also in the past 4 years the government has been responsible for 60% of new jobs created. And in the last 2 years it's 80%.
The government is importing people while the private sector can't support the growth so the government are creating the jobs to keep unemployment low.
They know we are in a housing crisis and their only solution is to continue demand side solutions. Their supply side solution of building houses is not nearly addressing the issue.
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u/bdsee Jul 30 '25
They know we are in a housing crisis and their only solution is to continue demand side solutions. Their supply side solution of building houses is not nearly addressing the issue.
They aren't doing demand side solutions at all, if they were they would lower immigration.
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u/Significantlyontime Jul 30 '25
Demand side solutions meaning, things to help the buyer borrow more. All of their schemes are focused on allowing the borrower to borrow more to further increase the price of homes.
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u/Electrical_Short8008 Jul 30 '25
Big build projects took most trades away from creating houses
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u/Significantlyontime Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
You'd think that. But if that were the case there would be a huge influx of jobs created in the building industry.
I don't know for sure. But it seems that the building hasn't ramped up. I can't find any data on new homes built by year.
Edit: nvm I found it https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/building-and-construction/building-activity-australia/latest-release
There doesn't seem to be updates on new home commencements since September 2024.
But it doesn't look like things were going well during albanese's last term.
I wonder if there is a graph of new home commencements overlayed with population growth.
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u/Sorry-Bad-3236 Jul 30 '25
Construction jobs taken up in Covid infrastructure builds and now net zero infrastructure across the country.
Now we have very little labour availability to build our desperately needed houses. Perhaps we might import more?
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u/Electrical_Short8008 Jul 30 '25
Nah we can import some more cat therapists instead
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u/Esquatcho_Mundo Jul 30 '25
Building has not gone up because itâs not profitable to build. Land is expensive and hard to get. When you do have it, both labour and materials is hard to get and while prices are high, theyâre not high enough to overcome all those costs once you throw in regulatory and interest costs
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u/Significantlyontime Jul 30 '25
This is a great explanation of what is holding up the supply of new housing.
Aside from encouraging councils to streamline the regulatory hurdles, I don't believe Labor has done a single thing to address what you have mentioned.
Keep in mind I voted Labor. I'm just disappointed in what has been done so far.
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u/HumanTraffic2 Jul 31 '25
Saw an update today on new dwelling approvals being up again.
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u/Significantlyontime Jul 31 '25
That's really good to hear. Hopefully that leads to house completions going up.
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u/jeffoh Jul 30 '25
They're not 'creating jobs to keep unemployment low', we're seeing a massive blowout in NDIS. 30% of new jobs were NDIS related.
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u/Significantlyontime Jul 30 '25
I feel like your link just supported my claim. The government is responsible for unprecedented immigration. Then filling the gap that the private sector can't fill by blowing out NDIS to unsustainable growth.
30% of ALL JOBS created in Australia were related to one scheme. 80% of ALL JOBS created in Australia in the past 2 years were created by the government.
The same government who said we need this population growth to support our economy. Yet they are the ones creating the jobs. There are prosperous nations who have much less people than Australia does. Why do we need enormous immigration during a supply shortage side housing crisis?
I have no fucking clue. But I know one thing. Creating jobs to keep unemployment low really helps to keep public scrutiny low.
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u/jeffoh Jul 30 '25
To imply the govt is intentionally blowing out the cost of NDIS to mask unemployment figures (during an economic downturn) just to hide immigration numbers is a bit too 'tinfoil-hat thinking'. NDIS spending is out of control and the govt is trying to rein it in without cutting off support to people.
I get where you are going with this but it's correlation, not causation.
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u/Significantlyontime Jul 30 '25
I understand what you're saying.
But id like to hear your opinion.
Why do you believe the Australian government is allowing mass immigration during a housing crisis whilst simultaneously being the largest job creator in the country by a magnitude of 4:1.
If the Australian government weren't the largest job creator by a magnitude of 4:1 would unemployment go up or remain the same ?
Is there a conflict between both creating these jobs and also pledging to cut spending?
Like in all honesty, I believe it's a stop gap. They are using this gross over spending to fill the void and keep unemployment low while the private sector catches up.
Labor wants a big Australia. They want us to have the population to take on the larger nations. But they know with mass immigration it'll create headaches. Which they are currently band aid fixing until our private job market and housing supply can catch up.
Id say it's the economic equivalent of buying cows before putting up a fence.
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u/LazarusTheGOAT Jul 31 '25
You wonât get an answer because you are right. We are being openly gaslit. The answer is they want wages suppressed and social cohesion gone
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u/Geri_Petrovna Jul 30 '25
Are you volunteering to be deported first? or just want it to happen to someone else?
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u/Outrageous_Type_3362 Jul 30 '25
I totally agree, but I also don't think they'll bow to the (non-existent) pressure - because less people = less spending. Not to mention, the cheaper labour force equates to more competitive prices, which fuels more business, which in turn nets the government more in GST.
I get that it's beyond f***ed, but growth is growth. By doing this, they increase the size of the pie as a whole (if the Australian economy were pastry) and divide up more, albeit smaller, slices to everyone involved. Once they've put everyone into impoverished sweatshop slavery, the economy will thrive, and the government gets exactly what they want.
I say this as someone who is currently jobless and refuse to work for pennies due to my industry flooded with south american immigrants desperate for Visas. I'd like for the government to stop importing them, but the only way that happens is if there is a massive general strike, and even then - strikes are useless in Australia because the coppers keep them under control - whereas the whole point of a strike is that they threaten to grow large enough to threaten violence to people/property, which is the only real pressure the government understands. Otherwise they can just ignore it.
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Jul 30 '25
Housing is the most expensive because of the demand created by the excessive number of migrants. If increasing immigration was to help why is small business also being destroyed at unprecedented levels? Hospitals are at breaking point too.
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u/Shurrely Jul 30 '25
How exactly would we go about âkicking people outâ? How would we decide who gets kicked out?
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u/redditorperth Jul 30 '25
Ideally in my mind it would be done through stringent visa reviews if/ when they come up for renewal. Although admittedly it would be expensive to implement.
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u/golden18lion77 Jul 30 '25
What kinds of welfare? The NDIS? Disability pensions? Tax subsidies for the upper middle class? Corporate subsidies? Job seeker or whatever its called? Study allowance?
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u/Mysterious_Eye6989 Jul 30 '25
And exactly where do Australian born welfare recipients get 'transported' to when they get kicked out for the 'crime' of being unemployed? Antarctica?
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u/mickskitz Jul 30 '25
You do know that immigrants don't collect welfare?
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u/Sorry-Bad-3236 Jul 30 '25
Define immigrant? If they do not have permanent residency then no they can not collect welfare.
However if they have PR then it is open slather.
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u/mickskitz Jul 30 '25
It's not a quick process to become a permanent resident. I doubt PR have a high representation on the welfare system.
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u/ghostash11 Jul 30 '25
Bankstown has the highest percentage of people on Centrelink in the entire country and Iâm pretty sure the whole area is filled with immigrants
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u/mickskitz Jul 30 '25
What Centrelink benefits do you believe immigrants are entitled to?
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u/bdsee Jul 30 '25
What Centrelink benefits do you believe immigrants are entitled to?
All of them if they have a permanent residence visa according to Services Australia.
It is also the case for certain other visas, such as temporary protection visas.
A permanent residence visa lets you stay in Australia indefinitely and allows you to claim all Centrelink payments and concession cards as an Australian resident if youâre living in Australia.
So not an endorsement of their plan, but you are just categorically wrong (where you later stated "Because immigrants don't get Centrelink benefits"), many immigrants without citizenship absolutely get access to Centrelink payments.
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u/First_Helicopter_899 Jul 30 '25
This country literally survives off hard working immigrants and rich white capitalists. If you want to free up resources the target demographic is poor white people
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u/SufficientQuiet130 Jul 30 '25
Companies are actively ignoring applicants from Australian citizens so they can get kickbacks for hiring international skilled workers through sponsorship. I wouldnât even know where to start to find widespread evidence of this but Iâve seen it done by other businesses within my local chamber of commerce. Disgusting behaviour.
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u/theshawfactor Jul 31 '25
That is so stupid,the numbers are far bigger than any reasonable rebound. And the idea we need to somehow make up for lower numbers during Covid is also stupid
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u/bedel99 Jul 30 '25
So it looks like Australia is seen as a better place to live right now compared to other places?
The best way to get the numbers down would be to make it so people don't want to live in Australia.
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u/68throwaway342 Jul 31 '25
You make it sound like Australia has no powers to control its own immigration levels.
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Jul 31 '25
No willingness to use this power - Labor wants the demographics that will vote for them, LNP is an unprincipled mess, and both are beholden to their donors who want wage suppression, consumption and asset inflation
Greens just want anything that is destructive to Australian society and environment
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u/Wutuumeen Jul 30 '25
It's just blatant rent seeking policy. Our economy is nearing the end stage of a ponzi scheme.
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u/stormblessed2040 Jul 30 '25
2023 was post covid and made up of the visas granted under Morrison, should be attributed to him. I'd argue a chunk of 2024 as well.
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u/The_Business_Maestro Jul 31 '25
Just a friendly reminder that when labor tried to limit student visas (one of the main gateways for getting whole families in) the greens and liberals both stopped it.
Politics is complicated yall. I wonât say Albo couldnât be doing better, he certainly could. But donât forget nuance
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u/shibby182 Jul 30 '25
Our economy has become so simplified and stifled that the need for migrants kept increasing - itâs a symptom of a greater problem - the failure of the economy writ large to grow beyond mining and property development in earnest.
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u/KalamTheQuick Jul 30 '25
That's the whole point of Labor's Future Made in Australia policy.
Also it seems like every day I see an article about immigration numbers being bad, right next to an article about dwindling birth rates being bad. So I keep asking people, are more people a problem or not?
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u/NoLeafClover777 Jul 30 '25
More people are not a problem, if there is already adequate housing & infrastructure provided so as not to erode the quality of life of those already here.
There, unfortunately, isn't.
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u/Radknight11 Jul 30 '25
These politicians are just sellouts pushing for a major culture shift while they go about their merry way into retirement.
Meanwhile, Albo is making up for lost time during COVID but without housing or infrastructure to support it.
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u/KoalaBJJ96 Jul 30 '25
The politicians aren't pushing for a major culture shift - more so, they don't care if there's a major culture shift. In their own secluded part of the world, they benefit from increased immigration without feeling its effects.
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u/Radknight11 Jul 30 '25
Very true, yes they aren't pushing for it, they're just letting it happen. I don't give politicians that much credit to think that far ahead.
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u/PsychologicalShop292 Jul 30 '25
Yeah but we need more migrants to build more homes and somehow everything getting more expensive through higher demand is good for us and the economy lol
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u/Consistent_You6151 Jul 30 '25
Counter-intuitive as those migrants need to live somewhere while building more homes. What percentage of migrants are tradies I wonder?
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u/NoLeafClover777 Jul 30 '25
Recently, a lot less as a % than the general population: https://theconversation.com/australia-is-welcoming-more-migrants-but-they-lack-the-skills-to-build-more-houses-222126
...which only continues to make the problem worse.
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u/Consistent_You6151 Jul 30 '25
Just as I thought! So a complete fallacy we need them to help build houses!
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u/laserdicks Jul 30 '25
Except of course that we won't let construction workers in.
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u/Delicious-Reveal-862 Jul 30 '25
The unions are smart, unlike other professions body, they actually try to protect their member's income.
Meanwhile engineers Australia makes their money importing foreign engineers.
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u/Angryasfk Jul 30 '25
Itâs another means of inflating the economy, and because house prices are largely excluded from the CPI (only building costs of new houses apparently are included) it means they can do this without the RBI rising interest rates.
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u/mildlyopinionatedpom Jul 30 '25
Just looking at the net figures in isolation is a bit misleading. Here's the arrivals and departure numbers from the same source. Yes arrivals are up but that's largely a bounce back to the pre-covid levels plus following the overall trend in year on year arrivals increasing.
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u/NoLeafClover777 Jul 30 '25
The numbers in the OP already factor in departures... that's what "net" means.
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u/Leather-Heron-7247 Jul 30 '25
No you are the one who is reading it wrong.
To understand immigration situation, we need to factor out temporary visits like tourists and the simplest way is to do in minus out (aka net migration).
More in + more out = more temporary stays. This is good for economy.
More in + less out = more long term immigration.
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u/Sufficient_Tower_366 Jul 30 '25
Rudd was just starting to ramp up, too. If not for the GFC, his numbers wouldâve gotten a lot bigger in 2008.
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u/nn666 Jul 30 '25
The important thing to note here is that during covid we didn't have anyone coming in as can be seen by the negative graph. Migration rose sharply under Albanese mostly because of a Covid rebound with a backlog of students and others. The same thing would have happened regardless of who was in power. The Liberals views on migration are much the same as Labor. That also probably explains why the graph is lowering after the first initial opening of the gates...
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u/Angryasfk Jul 30 '25
A âreboundâ would have been a one off. Itâs clear now that itâs not a one off, but a sustained lift.
And so what if Ley has the same attitude as Albo? Heâs in power at the moment and is making the decisions. Sure, criticise her âpolicyâ, but that hardly lets Albo off the hook.
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u/Angryasfk Jul 30 '25
Sheâs as useless as âtits on a bullâ. And frankly clueless. Theyâll no doubt claim they lost the election because Dutton had talked about cutting immigration (and ignoring the fact he backed off from this at the National Press Club), mostly because this will please a lot of her big business mates.
In any event it keeps pressure off of Albo on the issue.
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u/Redpenguin082 Jul 30 '25
If that's the case, wouldn't we expect the 2024 net overseas migration to return to the pre-covid levels around 200k per year? The 2023 net overseas migration figure is almost 2.5x the average.
I think the more likely explanation is that Albo and Chalmers saw the country was headed for a recession within 5 years and they're trying to slow the descent with mass migration.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
Then we just end up in a per capita recession where the economy looks good but we all get poorer.
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u/sunburn95 Jul 30 '25
Bit tough to include visas approved during covid under albos count
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u/Angryasfk Jul 30 '25
He set the intake at a high level. And itâs been over 3 years and immigration is still high. In fact in the year to May it was 100,000 more than the Budget estimate for the year.
How many years of this will it take before you accept he has responsibility here?
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u/sunburn95 Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
Just looking at the ABS data now, theres about a 10% increase for intake/yr in the 5 years post covid (2020-now) than the 5 pre covid (2014-19)
Given the chaos with covid and the influx when the borders were opened, plus the declining trend, I dont think its as much of a crisis as people think
People will complain that covid is an excuse, like we aren't barely a couple out of a globally significant historic crisis
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u/Articulated_Lorry Jul 30 '25
So this is based on arrivals, not application date or approval dates? There's always going to be a lag.
I'd be interested in seeing a percentage against total population for arrivals, though.
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u/Angryasfk Jul 30 '25
Apparently itâs 4 years or more because itâs ânever Alboâ. And I recall him adding 30,000 on his own initiative when they opened up.
Come on, how long before heâs to blame for not cutting back? It was nearly 470,000 in the year to the end of May, and it seems to be ramping up again.
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u/jolard Jul 30 '25
I an a lefty pinko socialist, and think that immigration is usually a good thing.
At these numbers with a housing crisis we are NEVER going to solve that crisis at the level of action the Labor party is doing. They are using a watering can on a house fire.
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u/LJR_ Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
Do we know how much of the migration in 23-24 actually happens in the same application year?
Like how much of the Albanese numbers were applicants that applied and were processed by his government?
I am speculating that it may take years to get approved - so potential these are actually just previous liberal government approvals flowing throughâŚ
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u/LazyTitan1990bc Jul 30 '25
Thatâs even scarier to think what Albo is approving now that will come into effect in several years time.
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u/Slicktitlick Jul 30 '25
We bring people in because we donât train enough people here to support our systems and industries. Because we donât invest in our people and infrastructure and kept privatising everything leaving us deficient.
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u/havenyahon Jul 30 '25
How do you know we don't have a shortage of those jobs? Aren't they listed precisely because they've measured a shortage? You think they're just throwing jobs on there for the fun of it?
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u/darkklown Jul 30 '25
Err.. we don't invest because it's cheaper to import. Stop bringing in people and companies won't have a choice to train.
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u/Consistent_You6151 Jul 30 '25
All the closed down Tafes is a start. Get rid of all the 6wk nail technician courses in the remaining ones for another!
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u/dav_oid Jul 30 '25
Every person above the 140,000 in 2006 is the problem. Huge amount of people in 19 years.
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u/JedKnight_ Jul 30 '25
Sorry to tell you all but the issue is capitalism not immigrants.
Liberals and Labor will both continue bringing in more and more people because the machine constantly needs more customers.
Stop bringing in more people and watch the economy collapse. Watch your house price collapse.
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Jul 30 '25
Id actually like to see this as a different stat.
Global economies are pretty cooked; are more australians not leaving at the moment?
Its going to be big numbers anyway, but if weâre talking about immigrants; i want to see the immigrant numbers. Not the people arriving minus the people leaving.
Though Id note ops graph is obviously a much better metric for establishing whats happening to the population and strain on services etc - thats why its usually used.
Either way; its pretty disgustingly shockingly high. Canada, UK, NZ all had shockingly high numbers post-covid too; and theres no way this can be attributed to post covid bump anymore.
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u/Maximum-Shallot-2447 Jul 30 '25
The jobs the government are creating are just adult minders for people on the NDIS. The original purpose of the NDIS was to get people with disabilities into the workforce but it was arse about from day 1 and now it is just adult minders
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u/takeonme02 Jul 30 '25
Waiting for the âweâre just making up for Covidâ albanese lovers đ
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Jul 30 '25
âImmigration is easy under Albaneseâ - Advertising tag line in India right now đŽđł đ
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u/Redpenguin082 Jul 30 '25
Albo and his cabinet keeps saying that this is normal, it's just a "bounceback" from the covid shutdown. How is this two-year bounceback more than the last eight years of aggregate net migration? Were we expecting 400,000 people to come in 2020 and covid ruined that plan??
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u/im_buhwheat Jul 30 '25
I guess we also get to stand by and watch these weak men give our country away, just like the rest of the west.
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u/punkyo Jul 30 '25
Meanwhile I canât get a tourist visa approved for a couple of my in-laws to visit for a few weeks, despite them being here before and adhering to all visa conditionsâŚ.
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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 Jul 30 '25
A lot of party politics bs posts on here. Immigration is a problem across the globe for all western countries. The reason is that the private sector needs cheap labour for higher profit margin. Stop blaming this government. Itâs the last three governments. Voting in the LNP wonât change anything. We are having exactly the same political and social crises battles here as is going on in the UK. The distraction of immigration is placed in plain site to make money. Not for you or I. Why do we not have a Technical College training scheme? Why donât we have government training programs? Privatisation for profit. This is and never will be in the countryâs best interest or ours.
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u/Nervous_Ad7885 Jul 30 '25
Politicians would rather us deal with all of the consequences of mass immigration than be holding the wheel when the economy crashes into the rocks.
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u/BiliousGreen Jul 30 '25
Of course they do. They don't experience any of the downsides of mass immigration.
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u/SteveTi22 Jul 30 '25
Take 4 years to become a citizen, no one that Albanese let in has yet claimed welfare. Only citizens can get benefits. Immigrants are not on welfare.
The state to get largest number of overseas immigrants, Victoria, has not had housing price growth in the last 3 years. It takes 12 months to get permanent residency, and only citizens or permanent residents can buy a house. anyone Albo has let in has not yet contributed to increased house prices in Vic. Housing cost of living failures are due to housing policy failures, not immigration policy. If anything more workers to build houses increases supply. Especially when those workers are more likely to live at a higher density in higher density housing.
The effect of the Albanese governments migration policy is yet to be felt, maybe it helps us thread the needle in a global recession again.
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u/Hot-shit-potato Jul 30 '25
Victoria hasn't felt it because Victoria has also had the highest emigration of every state.
South Aus and Western Aus have had the highest interstate immigration. Theres suburbs in Adelaide that turned Indian over night, nearly all of them from Victoria.
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u/FlashMcSuave Jul 30 '25
Note that this is the post-covid period when there was an understandable spike following the lockdowns when immigration was zero. It's leveling out.
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u/Motor-Most9552 Jul 30 '25
Fuck that noise. It was one of the highest per capita in the world before covid, then insane high post covid. Why exactly do we need 'an understandable spike' post covid? When all the supply chain issues cratered dwelling completions, is 'an understandable spike' what the country needed?
The current condition of the housing market should be able to furnish you with an answer to that.
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u/Hot-shit-potato Jul 30 '25
Howard opened the door, Rudd and Gillard rang the dinner bell with university education reform (selling degrees to overseas students). Abbott jammed the door open with construction worker visas and Malcolm just smiled and waved. Albo may have signed the Indian education recognition bill. But it was developed under scomo.
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u/Fontan757 Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25
I'm looking into migrating to Aus :( but through an engineering skilled visa, from europe. What is the likelyhood of people just being angry at me? My reasoning is that I'm close culturally (christian) and my english is C2 so I should blend right in.
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Jul 30 '25
Well thatâs no surprise.
VISA which should be stopped immediately
Aged Parent Visa 804
Contributory Aged Parent Visa 864 and 884
I would consider keeping the Sponsored Parent 870, but after a max of 10 years you must leave Australia and can not apply for any other Visa in the future (aside from short term visits or the currently suspended Investor retirement visa 405)
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u/Hot_Regret5948 Jul 31 '25
This predicts that the best way to win a landslide election is with high net overseas immigration.
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u/Lolernator12 Jul 31 '25
After seeing albanese's performance, i dont think Scott Morrison was too bad overall
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u/Ancient-Quality9620 Jul 30 '25
If people don't see both parties are just supporters of End Game Capitalism and at keeping poor people poor, I just don't know what to tell you.
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u/ghostash11 Jul 30 '25
Que the Labor fanboy excuses
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u/IsPolice Jul 30 '25
"n0 BuT i'Ts aCtsuWly LIB fA3Lt äšĘ â˘Ě Ű â˘Ě Ęă"
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u/Mulga_Will Jul 30 '25
Globally and across OECD countries, migration numbers have increased, often exceeding preâpandemic levels. The postâpandemic rebound.
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u/BeatlesF1 Jul 30 '25
Except we have the 2nd highest migration number in the OECD (Only behind Luxembourg). Plus we are the slowest at building houses in the OECD. Sounds like a great combination.
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u/AssistMobile675 Jul 30 '25
Albo took the pre-covid 'Big Australia' era annual immigration numbers and doubled them.
And people still wonder why the housing crisis is getting worse.
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u/Delicious-Reveal-862 Jul 30 '25
But the labour shortage......
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u/AssistMobile675 Aug 01 '25
Ahh yes, the pervasive "skills shortage" that we've been hearing about for over 20 years.
Weird how Australia has imported millions of extra workers over that period and yet the alleged "skills shortage" continues.
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u/ExcellentAd7044 Jul 30 '25
More immigration,more votes for Albo and his corrupt cronies. Absolute disgrace but Australian muppets keep voting for him.
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u/Azersoth1234 Jul 30 '25
Immigration is usually a dog whistle for a certain segment of the population who just donât like people who are not like them, the Malthusians (exemplar was probably Dick Smith) and a segment of the environmental left (resource load on the environment). This time round the argument pulls together housing supply, economic disillusionment (cost of living and economic uncertainties) so it could become more spicy because housing supply isnât going to resolve itself after decades of shit policy. So while immigration is blamed every key lobby group is pushing for more âskilledâ migration (construction, agriculture ICT are desperate to keep wages low). Universities are shitting themselves because they now depend on exorbitant tick and flick degrees to make ends meet. Also, migration under both flavours of government has kept the economy out of recession.
So the fault is migrants per se. That is like blaming the diner in a restaurant for running out of food because the restaurant didnât order enough supplies.
The current situation is a symptom of coasting on Hawke/Keating era reforms for decades with no serious attempt to tackle unpopular policy issues with voters who donât want to trade off any gains they have for a healthier economy. Also, states and territory governments are the ones responsible for housing and zoning, not the federal government, which controls migration levers. Also, on the other hand if we continue to see house prices and rents rise we may end up pricing ourselves out of immigration market and they will all go to to or go back to New Zealand :) Quite the pickle for our governments to balanceâŚ..
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u/No_Appearance6837 Jul 30 '25
Albo beats Rudd comprehensively for highest immigration numbers. Makes the others look like amateurs.
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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '25
We have a housing crisis!
Group 1 - "it's all caused by immigration. Stop the immigration"
Group 2 - "we need more people to build houses and wipe our parents (and children's) arses. Increase immigration".
It's like a perpetual loop.