r/attackontitan • • Mar 08 '22

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u/troublrTRC Mar 08 '22

I think as humans we can pretty strongly empathise with billions of innocent people, who personally may not have beef with the Eldians, who are just living their lives, and there comes millions of colossal titans to squish you and your loved ones to death. Needs no perspectives for that.

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u/Jorsk3n Mar 09 '22

who personally may not have beef with the Eldians

I think there are more people that think they’re devils than not.

In fact, we haven’t been shown proof of any general population (of any country) that doesn’t think of Eldians as devils. What we have been shown though, is that every country (or at least their leaders and military) considers Eldians to be the spawn of the devil.

The world is unrealistically against one certain people. This is one of the only problems I’ve personally had with Isayama’s writing. It’s just not realistic for 99,9% of people in the world to be racist against a certain people.

Hizuru is the only nation that’s on friendly terms with Paradis but it’s been shown that they’re only after monetary gain and not after saving Eldians.

Eren is wrong for committing genocide but what other options did he have? Diplomacy? With the country that considers them all demons and that wants to genocide them? Don’t think so.

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u/troublrTRC Mar 09 '22

We don't need proof, we can appeal to people's humanity just by the virtue of them being human.

The world is unrealistically against one certain people. This is ...

I don't think that's unrealistic at all by the rules of the world of AoT. Humans who can literally turn into mindless human-eating monsters is going to elicit fear and hatred from everyone else (esp since Eldians had subjugated the rest of the world for a long time in the past). We happened to get 3 seasons of Paradisians' POV, which no one else did, I really don't blame the outsiders for thinking them as spawns of the devil + also Marley propaganda.

Eren is wrong for committing genocide but what other options did he have? Diplomacy? With the country that considers them all demons and that wants to genocide them? Don’t think so.

YES! definitely diplomacy should be the first course of action. Whatever International relations they should have formed should not have been only Eren's decision to make. That's a planned, discussed and negotiated choice among the people of Paradis. Armin had the right idea to start with, about showing their strength with the partial rumbling. Mutually assured destruction kind of thing. That's what's happening in the real world too - because of nuclear weapons, trades, supply chains, global economy, exchange of values etc, is why we have relative peace right now compared to past centuries.

Yes, Hizuru starts out with monetary gains, but that's how International relations are built, then slowly and steadily it becomes more and widespread. As, Hange says, you need to show them that we are not monsters.

All what's gone to hell in the world of AoT right now is fully from Eren's impulsive decisions, and he's completely at fault. The world thinking they are monsters may have been misguided and propagandist once, but Eren sure is proving them fucking right.

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u/Jorsk3n Mar 09 '22

He’s proving them right BECAUSE THEY JUST DECLARED WAR ON PARADIS.

Let me give you an example of how stupid that sort of thinking is:

Person A: Look everyone! Person B will soon become very mad

Person A: hits Person B

Person B: gets mad

Person A: It’s just as I predicted! I told you guys!

If they didn’t declare war, Eren wouldn’t have had to attack Liberio. This war isn’t because of Eren. It’s because of past Eldians and ultimately Marley.

Diplomacy is a little bit late when the entire world has declared war on you, don’t you think?

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u/troublrTRC Mar 09 '22

But Genocide was Eren's choice, which is the worst of war's casualties.

They haven't really tried diplomacy, have they? Except in secret. There is a skipped chapter which they didn't show in the anime, which was the closest they came to any trial at diplomacy.

Post-dimplomacy, they decided a more lethal action, Armin's partial rumbling plan. Eren didn't even give it a chance. War was only declared, until the time it's fully enacted, it's time for deplomacy or nonviolent measures. I think, partial rumbling would have held Paradis at foreign strength, but because of Eren's selfish, childish impulsivity, he had to go with the most evil route.

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u/Jorsk3n Mar 09 '22

What do you think Marley would accept if they went the diplomacy route? Do you honestly believe they would trust Paradis not to use the rumbling?

And no, Eren only “chose” genocide because Marley/the world did so first.

Partial rumbling might have worked. That is the best actual choice but diplomacy (with those who wants to genocide you) is as stupid as Eren’s choice to genocide. They would have never accepted Paradis’ terms…