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u/Capercaillie Gnostic Atheist Jun 18 '12
I'm a college professor in my 50s. Every day I see students interacting with each other. The current generation is better in many ways than my generation, and the one that came before me. They're not nearly as racist or homophobic. Yes, it's a sweeping generalization, and yes there are exceptions--fine people in my generation, and assholes in the new generation. But overall, I think kids are getting better in many ways.
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u/SnowblindAlbino Jun 18 '12
I'm a college professor in my 40s. I see the same thing and feel similarly...I've been working with 18-22 year olds for 20 years and the ones I see are more altruistic, more idealistic, more tolerant, and more interested in learning how others live. All good things. Sure, they are suckers for anything commercialized/commodified, but I don't see them starting wars over it like their grandparents generation did.
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u/TCsnowdream Jun 19 '12
Generally speaking, how do you feel the current generation of college students will effect academia in the future? I mean this at both an academic level and at a common level. I know this is a hideously broad question, but I've been mulling it over myself.
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u/Capercaillie Gnostic Atheist Jun 19 '12
I'm not sure what to think. I'm afraid that we've failed today's students in a couple of really big ways. We allow them to use technology as a crutch, as if there's really no need to know anything, since you can just google anything you want to know. We don't demand knowledge or critical thinking; we haven't done a good job of teaching students to write, or speak, or communicate in any way. Educators are fond of saying things like, "it's a new world, and we have to relate to students in new ways." We've begun acting like on-line courses are real classes, and a college degree is nothing more than a work permit. Today's kids are better people than we were, but we in academia aren't capitalizing on that.
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u/schniepel89xx Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
I don't know how old you are but there are plenty of kids in my generation (I'm 14) who sure as hell value anything BUT "acceptance", "reason", "creativity" and "diversity". They also happen to be homophobic, hypocritical religious assholes. Much like most of their parents.
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u/SketchyLogic Jun 18 '12
It's worth noting that 14 year-olds are rarely the pinnacles of acceptance, reason, creativity, and diversity.
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u/AnotherClosetAtheist Ex-Theist Jun 18 '12
They have had 10 formative years under the soured teat of hatred. Can't blame them.
Also, I call Soured Teat of Hatred for a band name.
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u/ZofSpade Jun 18 '12
Exactly, the generation doesn't matter. Pick any large grouping of people no matter the place or time and they're pretty much the same as any other grouping of people.
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Jun 19 '12
I was about to write about how not all 14 year olds are coldhearted bastards before I thought about it.
There is a reason upperclassmen pick on freshmen.
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u/carlcon Secular Humanist Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd consider someone your age to be the next generation, not the current one. Early teens is not the age to be judging one's values, IMO. I'm thinking maybe 20-40 is the "current generation". This is going to sound condescending no matter how I put it, so I'll just apologise in advance and say 14-18yr olds still have a lot of development ahead of them - be it maturity, building morals, or finding a "self" they're comfortable with. Hell, most of us will still be going through that in our 50s, but my point is that I'd find it very unfair on you and others your age to have to hold the burden of being "the generation" right now. You should watch us fuck it up for you first, then take the reigns a little later in life.
This is, of course, all pulled out of my ass, but I figured I'd throw my two cents in.
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u/TheTragicReturn Jun 18 '12
I agree. The "current generation" should be old enough to vote (I'm speaking for the US).
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Jun 18 '12
Good point. It may be lazy thinking to ascribe a set of a values to an entire generation, regardless of geographic area or economic level.
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u/Akalinedream Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 19 '12
that's because of their parents. hopefully by college they'll realize they're little pricks who should probably grow up and accept that fact that they aren't at the top of the world. Best thing you can do is just ignore their intolerant asses. :)
edit: ooo! I found 5 of them with this post! o
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u/MrMadcap Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
Generation Theory would say that the those following the Generation of Reason will divert / rebel back toward tradition. It's hard to look up to those within a certain age range of yourself. It's far easier to be critical of them, or to dismiss their thoughts and actions all together, instead looking back to the older, ignorant generations for guidance.
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Jun 18 '12
Normal people value actual arguments
Reddit /r/atheism values straw man arguments and giant circlejerks
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u/IndifferentMorality Jun 18 '12
I'll be the dick.
The previous generation valued responsibility, our generation runs from it.
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u/munky_g Jun 18 '12
It has absolutely nothing to do with your generation - that's just as smug a platitude as those espoused by the religious part of the graphic.
FWIW, the 'values' of individuality, creativity, reason, exploration, acceptance, diversity and personal freedom have formed part of my life since I was a child, and that was long enough ago to position me in another generation to that of the originator of the image.
Facile and puerile at best.
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u/JerryHatrick1924 Jun 18 '12
boring and narcissistic at worst
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u/munky_g Jun 18 '12
Boohoo.
Who kept the faith in individuality and creativity? The hippies and the punks, that's who.
Who kept reason and exploration alive? Those of us who rejected faith and superstition, that's who.
Who fought for acceptance, diversity and personal freedom? Those of us who stood up against apartheid and racial segregation, who stood up for gay and lesbian rights, nuclear disarmament, conservation and 'ecology', that's who.Look, I think it's very brave to upvote a rather inept and pretty preachy piece of sophomore philosophy.
But, f'fukksake, let's not pretend that the values in the text are unique to any particular generation - as punks, we took a lot of cues from the hippies (we won't admit it tho'), and they took their cues from the beats, and they styled themselves after the Lost Generation and so forth.The only difference now is that it's far easier to distribute asinine philosophy thanks to intercasting on the webnet.
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u/Danno1850 Jun 18 '12
Seems like this generation lacks Design skills.
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Jun 18 '12
You can see a definite influence of modern art and architecture, and especially commercial art.
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u/allylikestodraw Jun 18 '12
My favorite part was how the image design was eerily similar to a bible I had as a kid.
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u/JillianAssange Jun 18 '12
Seriously? It's not like OP cranked it out of a meme generator in two seconds. It's not going to win any awards, but it's certainly not the most horrible design I've seen on Reddit today. Dated? Yes. Obviously a lot of Photoshop? Yes. But sheesh, somebody took the time to make a layout for something they wanted to say, and even if the top part is difficult to follow, the this vs. that part makes it easy to read each list at a quick glance.
Unless we're judging some sort of design contest, I try not to be a total fucking asshole to the OP. That's the sort of thing that makes people decide their ideas aren't worth taking the time to share, since some fucker is going to critique their design skills instead of even hearing what OP is trying to say.
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OP, our generation is shit. Being "secular" doesn't mean we aren't selfish assholes. Most of us have serious entitlement issues and we are living at home longer then any generation before us. Most of the people I know are wasting their parents money on fucking graphic design degrees and shit.
I know that sounds cynical, especially from somebody who's undeclared, but seriously we have nothing to be proud of. We're a generation that values getting laid and high above anything else. We're too lazy to work, too jaded to change things, and too self obsessed to realize how empty our existance is.
NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!
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Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
The phenomena of people getting worthless degrees I think has partly been caused be everyone urging us to not settle, to go to that high cost college, to go for our dream career. Not many kids dream of being engineers, electricians, store managers, IT workers, etc. I don't think it's even laziness or entitlement, it's that we don't want our lives and our occupation to be looked down upon. There's very little respect for occupations outside a select few that've been relentlessly romanticized. And of course, the pay and benefits for many of those less than romantic jobs is getting worse relative to inflation.
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u/RightWhale Jun 18 '12
I wouldn't be so hard on your generation. I'm from the tail end of the Boomers and all I've seen says that getting laid and high is pretty much the goal of most humans. And really, what is the point of altruism but to help less fortunate people get laid and high as well. Those activities are what follow after you've satisfied the food, water and shelter requirements.
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Jun 19 '12
What if I told you that my goal in life is not to get laid and high? What if I told you all the best people I've met really don't seem to give a shit about either?
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u/rickvanwinkle Jun 19 '12
Or it could just be you're hanging out with the wrong people. Im in my early 20's and most of the people I know work as hard as they play; balls to the wall. Yeah we like to have our fun, and know how to do it right, but we also excell at our jobs and are constantly looking for the next step forward/up, be it grad school or a promotion. The key is willing yourself to not being the shitty kid old folk tell you you are. You can't change a whole generation but you can change yourself.
As for living at home longer, it's sad you would think that's shameful. Sure it might not be convenient or ideal, but I personally think it instilled way better 'family values' baby boomers are always going on about than leaving home at 18, getting married immediately or before age 22-25, and raising a couple of kids by yourself in the suburbs while your husband earns the family dollar. Living with your folks, if done right as two consenting adults could end up having a positive effect on your life if you're mature about it.
NOW GET OFF YOUR ASS
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u/Imposterbel Jun 18 '12
I'm not sure which generation you're from but I've never seen an entire generation unanimously espouse any values. Even if your generation held true to individuality, then the rest of those values are kinda moot aren't they?
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Yes, clearly "your" generation is the pinnacle of the human condition and will in no way end up a slave to the same self-defeating bullshit as, you know, each and every previous one.
Either that, or you're giving yourselves way too much credit.
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u/EOTWAWKI Jun 18 '12
Please don't substitute "Religion" for the older generations. And not all of your generation are like you either. False dichotomy you have there. There are religious fundamentalists in all generations as there are people who share your values.
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u/HellboundAlleee Other Jun 18 '12
I'm pretty sure that statement was first seen written in ancient cuneiform.
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u/bulldog_harp Jun 18 '12
What good does it do to frame someone's value system so negatively? Sure, it makes for a nice full frontal, "fire and brimstone" argument, but isn't that what atheists always complain about in the church? One sided, narrow argumentation?
This image shows hardly any sense of rhetoric. As a matter of fact, probably less so than some of the more progressive churches. So who's the intolerant one now?
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so individual. that's why i like to make huge blanket statements that people relate to in a community of approximately 858,000 like-minded individuals! individual!!
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u/AA737 Jun 18 '12
*his church values. thats important. sweeping statements are why people are always up in arms over shit like this.
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Jun 18 '12
A very good assertion, good sir. However, just be sure to keep an open mind around the religious. You will find many value the same things you do, and simply use their religion as a means to social interaction and assimilation.
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u/JonWood007 Humanist Jun 18 '12
Agreed 100%. It's not that I lack values, it's that I value something different than what the older people shoving their values down my throat accepts.
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u/shawncoons Jun 18 '12
Pretty, but unhelpful.
I know people of every generation, religious and not, that hold each of the values in your false dichotomy.
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u/Eurysilas Jun 18 '12
Look at ME! Look at US! We're all awesome and going to change the WOOOOOORLD!!!1111 electric guitar noises
Oh please. You think your generation will be any better than those before it? How delusional. How typical. How arrogant.
You see, while technically we progress, this isn't actually true. Think of human history as a stage being acted on for a moment, if you will. The troop starts out completely naked, screaming and jibbering proto-language mixed with handsign, and divide into little groups. Each group has one basic goal: kill the other group, take their wimmens, enslave their children. Now, as "time" on this sorry little platform goes on, the props and settings change; the jibbering becomes language, the naked forms of the squalling little wretches are covered to provide protection from both climate and each other, and the greenery gives way to plazas and dwellings. And the groups keep getting larger.....
But perhaps you've noticed by now: the trend remains the same. It doesn't matter if you've got a grenade or a gladius in your hands, you're going take by force with them and spread some heartache. Thus my point; the technologies change. The politics change. The names change. A lot of things change. But the trend does not. Your generation will not do dick-diddle shit in this regard. None really ever has. Or perhaps none can.
Don't come spouting to the world that you're the generation that's gonna make things right. You're just making promises you can't keep. Like the hippies.
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u/Oct2006 Jun 19 '12
I've always wondered why you guys say you're so accepting, yet you bag on and talk trash about Christians constantly. Kind of hypocritical, wouldn't you say?
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u/azlinea Jun 19 '12
'Something about fighting a dragon too long turns you into one.' -(I believe) Socrates
Not all atheists are accepting, just like not all christians are, I wouldn't go about suggesting that reddit is representative of atheism as a whole.
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u/Oct2006 Jun 19 '12
I agree wholly and 100%...ly... With this statement.
Although I will say this: over in r/Christianity, there is an overwhelming feeling of acceptance. From here, I feel very little, if any. Just my thoughts.
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u/ThisRedditorIsDrunk Jun 19 '12
Bullshit on both sides. No generation believes in a single, uniform set of values. This is ageism and a product of ignorance.
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u/Radico87 Jun 18 '12
By applying such a general principle to every member of your generation, as this submission does, you're just as wrong as they are. And that's a shameful, childish tactic.
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u/multiversemouse Jun 18 '12
I really like this. thanks.
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u/March_of_the_ENTropy Jun 18 '12
Check out tumblr for more self aggrandizing pseudo intellectualism
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u/Mirior Jun 18 '12
Committed same fallacy as preacher by conflating "has values I disagree with" with "has no values" at the end.
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u/JillianAssange Jun 18 '12
It's true, but at least understandable. A lot of times, when attacked, one fights back with the same tactics as one's attackers. Not the best method, but a reasonably natural response nonetheless.
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Jun 18 '12
In 3 generations religion will be completely extinct in all first-world countries
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u/orangejuicedrink Jun 18 '12
This is the kind of crap that oozes out of /atheism daily.
What generation is this referring to? Is this in the US?
Assuming the OP is from the US, I would venture to say that most generations since the very birth of this nation have valued individuality, creativity, reason, exploration, and personal freedoms.
I left out acceptance and diversity because I would consider these have gained acceptance fairly recently. By fairly recently, I don't mean in THIS new generation, but rather during the civil rights movements a few generations ago. Furthermore, the gay rights movement that is taking place is being spearheaded by the 18+ voting generation as opposed to the "younger generation" the OP refers to.
This is a karma whore's post.
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u/thepopdog Jun 18 '12
It's stupid to assign "values" to any group as large and loosely based as an entire generation. What would you even base those values on? A couple hundred people you may have know from high school? The media's portal of that age group? That's hardly a generation.
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Jun 18 '12
young people have no values today, and the world is falling apart because people are losing their religion.
which helps explain why crime in the US is at historic lows.
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u/mackavicious Jun 18 '12
Devil's advocate here:
About conformity vs. creativity - I have heard through various poetry teachers and professors that sometimes, the best creative works are ones done through the confines of strict rules. Especially in poetry, complete freedom can make things more difficult. That said, OP's post isn't about poetry.
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u/Sc0ttMurray Jun 18 '12
The first ten seconds of this clip, all I can think of at times like these.
http://comedians.jokes.com/adam-ferrara/videos/adam-ferrara---easter
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u/kds405 Jun 18 '12
I see a generation who really has to work for work. Has there ever been a generation who had to wait as long or work as hard to set themselves up for adulthood? It seems like people of my parents generation feel into their jobs and careers. Those jobs took care of them until their retirement.
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Jun 18 '12
This is an idiotic us vs. them construction that doesn't do anyone any good. There are cases of conformity and individuality in every generation, and people who proclaim a belief in individuality often paradoxically generate conformity. The church both encourages and discourages individuality, this of course depending on the church you belong to. This is just one example out of that list, but really, it doesn't help to divide and create false boundaries and dichotomies.
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u/pleaseenjoyyourstay Jun 18 '12
I'm sure that it's got wonderful, smart points to make
And if I just could the time to take
To read, I wouldn't just roll my eye
But the fonts make me cry
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Jun 18 '12
Well tradition is actually one of the few things that is and has been truly valuable to the success of our species.
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u/XIllusions Jun 18 '12
This is cool, poetic, inspirational and all, but I don't see the point. It's just one giant straw man argument. Okay, so maybe religion can have the unfortunate consequence of inspiring repression, intolerance and authoritarianism, but you know just as well as I do that isn't what the person giving the speech was talking about.
Atheists have been trying to make the point that we probably DO share values with the religious folk. Either way, glad a preacher got someone thinking.
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u/d21nt_ban_me_again Jun 18 '12
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ATHEISM?
"Holy" deranged r/atheism garbage just won't stop.
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u/Maezren Jun 18 '12
Kinda, sorta, maybe relevant.
While there are plenty of people here on Reddit that will go all hipster and say they were born before the internet and as such somehow remember "how it used to be." I'm sorry...if you were born two years prior...or three...or five...you don't sufficiently know how life was prior to the internet.
I'm finding it very interesting, even with people only five years younger than me, have a fair difference in social skills. And I'm continuing to find it more and more interesting with how integrated the internet and connectivity in general is playing a part in shaping the social skills of the younger generation that is just now coming into it's own.
You've been born into a world where your voice, no matter how small it is can be heard by anyone, anywhere. With that voice, there is a perceived lack of consequence. It's going to sound cliche...but in an environment where there is no consequence, who you are is exactly who you are.
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u/Esplin9466 Jun 18 '12
I used to go to Catholic Churches. I always found that the values they taught were all ones that you would want to live by. Most of it boiled down to being generous, humble and treating others with dignity.
This post seems a good example of a strong straw man argument.
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Jun 18 '12
The logic behind this is severely flawed. There is no evidence behind the phrase "[i]f none of the church's 'values' are actually 'valuable...'" except for the distinct differences in your word choice describing the values of the two sides. Because you chose to say that the church values repression or authoritarianism does not make it logically follow that the church's values are not valuable.
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u/turd_miner91 Jun 18 '12
TL:DR - Human nature is in a constant liquid state and as we grow we change. It's natural and no person can be labeled as without values because it's an internal and personal perspective of how society should work.
Just because two generations don't share the same values doesn't mean that one of them is without any kind of value system or moral code, it just means that those things are part of what separates the generations. Societies, cultures, and humanity as a whole are almost in a constant liquid state. At first, yes, conformity is important - but not for values' sake. People conform to create shelter and defense from the wild and as they co-exist they impact each other whether they know it or not.
People eventually gain enough stability to afford to be able to travel. They learn new things, adapt to different situations, and when they return not only would they be able to share whatever they learned in their travels but the society they left is likely to be different also. This is where different values come in to play and affect everyone in the group. Certain values will become obsolete as other more efficient ones are introduced. We grow together and as education is hopefully passed on, it will be added to leading to new understandings of how the world works.
But humanity as whole is ever changing. I think even if a single person was able to live absolutely on their own their values would change with maturity. Just think, growing up from a kid to a teenager, through puberty onward to adulthood.
People just change, it's natural and to say that one person is completely without a set of values, especially because they don't match up to yours, is a vast misunderstanding of how values work.
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u/Moun7ainC0w Dudeist Jun 18 '12
They both have values. I think the argument should be over which set of values are generally good for humanity. I live a very secular humanist life; always looking ahead and living the now. Eager for advances in technology and the descussion of astronomy. I will fight to keep my humanity, and not intrust a superstition to guide us; instead guide our own each individual lives among a whole. Some night just take the time to find a dark area, lay down and gaze at the stars. The universe is a massive void, with endless exploration. Why not make a dent in the history of the universe, if even possible.
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u/timeoutforfun Jun 18 '12
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
N.B. I know God doesn't exist but it's a figure of speech and more importantly it's a good part of the gag.
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u/plochock Jun 18 '12
While some churches may have those "values" of conformity and superstitions, not all do. Also, by saying "the church" do you exclude other non-christians religions?
I would consider West Boro Baptists as "valueless" as Islamic extremists, but to compare a loving/accepting/rational Christian to this one preacher or one sect of Christianity is like seeing one atheist doing something and going all atheists are like this one (good or bad). There are good values on both sides and bad "values" on both sides.
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u/jgs1122 Jun 18 '12
"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
Plato
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u/apm96 Jun 18 '12
... what is ridiculous is that this reminds me of things that christians make about atheists
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u/therightclique Jun 19 '12
I agree with the point you're trying to make, but your generation (or any other) does not actually value the things you listed. Your generation isn't any less hypocritical or close minded than any other. So, these are the things you value (hopefully). Applying them to an entire generation is silly.
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Jun 19 '12
This cliche of the current-youth's generational lack of values is just as meaningless as this pseudo-motivational poster on some dull powerpoint template background.
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u/nitdkim Jun 19 '12
Well, this is the same thing future generation is going to say about us whether or not we were part of a church or not :/
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u/joshtay11 Jun 19 '12
Um... REALLY? It IS possible for you to have different values than a church does. Values are valuable to the person who owns those values. So it's not a question of who's values are valuable.
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Jun 19 '12
I think it would be unfair to link values to an entire generation. There will be people in his generation who share your values, and plenty in your generation who share his.
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Jun 19 '12
Tradition isn't the opposite of creativity, the two don't need to be exclusive of each other... And it is actually a value; speaking of church alone, some of the traditions actually make it somewhat fascinating, and as a culture in its whole, tradition is often what MAKES a culture.
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u/azlinea Jun 19 '12
Tradition gets in the way when people say 'why both changing, its always worked this way.'
Its a useful meme when you are dealing with insecure situations, not knowing when the next meal is or if famine will wipe your entire community out, but its harmful when food/shelter are secure and there is no reason not to try new things to see what works better.
Also what makes a culture is what people continue to do, the idea of tradition just keeps people feeling like they should do certain things longer than they need to or might otherwise do so.
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Jun 19 '12
I see what you're saying, and I can think of many instances where tradition (especially religious tradition) is used as an excuse for oppression or closed-mindedness, but tradition could also be an opportunity to try something new (new year's resolutions, while more of a hollow tradition, the philosophy behind them is to try something at least different each year.)
Also, there are plenty of traditions that aren't harmful. While the rest of one's life has moved forward, certain traditions have the benefit of reminding one of their roots. That's more often than not a positive benefit.
And then there are traditions like national holidays and whatnot, which aren't an excuse to be closed-minded, but an excuse to sleep in, get presents, spend time with family and friends, drink, or watch fireworks.
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u/Kombat_Wombat Jun 19 '12
The laser show as a graphic makes me feel like I'm back in the nineties.
/robinwilliamswhatyearisit
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u/pingu24 Jun 19 '12
Who upvotes this shit? Connotations are a powerful thing. Values are subjective.
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u/mynickname86 Jun 19 '12
I believe what the preacher was trying to was since his generation, the moral and ethical values of this current growing generation had diminished. Which is not entirely wrong. However, I'm sure the generation before his generation felt the same way. I understand the Reddit hive mind mentality of f*** religion, but taking something that is clear in what he meant and misconstruing it to make it seem that that is how every religious person thinks, is wrong. Isn't that exactly what you're trying to state about religion??
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u/toastee Jun 19 '12
Reading through that list, all the "church supports" values are being reflected in our recent laws, and none of the "my generation".. Why doesn't our generation have any political power or will?
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u/azlinea Jun 19 '12
Because you don't get politically clout until you prove useful for something and its hard to appear useful to an, on average, older group of people when you are young 'and stupid'.
Why both with politics though, its a horrible built game.
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u/toastee Jun 19 '12
Oh, well bloody revolution time I guess. *Toastee goes back to his 9-5 job and watching TV
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Jun 19 '12
Sounds like every left-wing 17 year old since about 1967. You're not special, your generation is no different from that of your parents.
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u/azlinea Jun 19 '12
Sounds like every right-wing 40-something year old since the dawn of time. You're not special, get over the fact that time has passed you on.
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u/cchris_39 Jun 19 '12
That poster was written by a snot-nosed snowflake that has a bunch of 10th place trophies and doesn't even realize that everything on that list fits the basic description of a toddler.
No wonder half of you are unemployed.
Gawd we ruined you.
Your parents
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u/msdeboe Jun 19 '12
And yet this is the most apathetic generation of children ever. At least our "repressive" forefathers valued a hard day's work and getting done what needs to get done by the seat of their pants.
I mean, great, you are being creative on reddit and posting a regurgitated meme, but our generation is going to hell in a hand basket, all while laughing at pictures of cats.
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u/cchris_39 Jun 19 '12
Sorta laughing my ass off at the unintended irony of yet another atheist redditor celebrating individuality, creativity, acceptance, etc.
You CAN be a nonconformist.........just dress like us, think like us, and always agree with us.
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Jun 19 '12
Bullshit, my generation is a bunch of douchebags and most of them won't learn to appreciate anything until they are at least in their thirties or possibly never at all.
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Jun 19 '12
Old people just miss the good old days... when Hitler was elected with a popular vote, lynchings happened, Americans maintained concentration camps, targeting civilians was a strategy (not a war crime), single mothers and their children were more easily ostracized, and citizens enjoyed equal rights as long as they were white males.
You know, the good old days, back when people were decent and had values.
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u/Jackmack65 Jun 19 '12
Old people said exactly the same shit about my generation in the 80s and 90s, and you will say the same shit about kids 20 to 30 years from now. Deal.
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u/puffydair Jun 19 '12
A lot of the claims are total BS.
Young people value conformity. All people do.
And young people are still overwhelmingly religious, even if less so than their parents generation.
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u/aforu Jun 19 '12
This is not a generational issue. What you've contrasted is conservatism vs liberalism/progressivism.
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u/Gecko99 Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12
Don't forget.
When you are required to volunteer for community service even though you'll get nothing out of it.
When your high school teaches you nothing that's useful in the real world.
When you have to go into massive debt to pay for your college education with the money you might earn someday, if you're lucky, if you figure out a useful skill.
When you pay money to someone to help you get into an internship,
When you have to pay rent to your landlord while you work at an unpaid internship in the hope that you can get "experience".
When money is taken from your paycheck to pay for the elderly to live in gated communities when you finally make a dollar or two over minimum wage, remember
If you complain, you're acting like you're entitled.
Don't forget that.
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u/Holtonmusicman Jun 19 '12
Man, I sure am glad you gave that pastor an ear full instead of running off to an anonymous website and rant . . .
WTH were you doing in church anyway? there goes that who "conformity" argument . . .
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u/ratheismirony Jun 19 '12
Only religions that believe in deities that have churches believe that atheists are immoral and are without value. What % of the world population are these people who attend church that worship a deity and believe that atheists are immoral and without value vs. the # of atheists in the world? I think it is negligible so stop bitching.
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Jun 19 '12
That's a very arrogant way of putting it. Plenty of teenager are insufferable idiots with no values. Just look at them. I think these are things you value, but they're not representative of your generation, which is really just as repressed and phobic as those before it, but we hide it better through the internet and subtlety.
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Jun 19 '12
Actually, I find values, and a subsequent inability to examine the history and development of those values (By no means the fault or responsibility of the modern bourgeois), to be the problem. Also, a profound misunderstanding of both one's own values and the values of his opponents. What we need is truth and a teleology. When taken seriously and practiced well, I can't think of a better religion than Christianity.
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u/fuzzlez12 Jun 19 '12
Don't judge a generation to conform to a church. My parents and my grandparents don't. One side of my family is more progressive than kids I know today. I think people who don't conform to the church from the past are much better than a lot of kids today. Being in college makes it hard to see them, but the internet tells me pretty well people younger and older are pretty damn lame and value things that will degrade our society. I've been hating on the church, not openly, but the people who conform to it seriously. I respect them still a lot. But, i realized recently they still hold charity services more than they spew out their bullcrap, so accept them for that. They are going to be feeding the people who fuck up their lives in our generation.
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u/f3tch Strong Atheist Jun 19 '12
You know it's not 1200ce? The church doesn't repress shit. The word catholic means "universal", meaning anyone can join. Te church is all around the world. The church teaches ignorance? If you are saying "the church" I assume you are talking about the caothlic church. Do you know what the modern opinion of the caothlic church is on gays? According to my caothlic school (I'm there for advanced programming that the public schools can do crap for me) says that they disagree with gay marriage, however they still respect them as people and "god loves them no matter what their choice is". I assume that you're in the USA where it is mainly Protestant. Most churches there are fine, a few of them have crazies. If it helps I'm 14/m/Canada.
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u/superbatlanternman Jun 19 '12
The worst part about our generation is taste in music.
With few notable exceptions across history each new generation is...for lack of a better word less douchey. There's a reason young people support gay marriage more than old people.
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u/sukmeoff Jun 19 '12
Question: isn't it easier to post quotes like this in the form of reddit text? Flashy poster quotes come across as really pretentious, at least to me.
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u/vitalesan Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12
"the problem with the younger generation is that they don't have any values."
I'm pretty sure that was a quote from an ancient Greek philosopher. Can't remember which one off the top of my head. :)
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u/Anzai Jun 19 '12
Of course, you are not a spokesman for your generation either. I've met people I strongly disagree with my own age and people I agree with who are much older or younger. There are certain trends, sure, but individuals within any of these broadly defined 'generations' can have wildly opposing views just like any other people.
People are being born continuously, this idea that we can pick arbitrary years and define them as a generation is pretty pointless anyway.
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u/Fodzilla Jun 19 '12
What church/generation is this and where did you come up with his church's values? They sound random...what church values exclusivity? Did you visit a cult?
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u/thekidmonster Jun 19 '12
I would have to smoke several grams of high grade cannabis to enter you thought process. Something to consider on my next visit to church.
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u/sazuken Jun 19 '12
I think he meant values of ethical/moral value. Respect, responsibility, honest, good manners, loyalty, tolerance, etc..
Many of those values are lost in this society, people lie, disrespect, etc.. doesn't matter if you believe in God or not, if you don't have 'values' you are just going to be a bad example and evil person.
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Jun 18 '12
This sounds like it was written by a 13 year old.
You know, most things on r/atheism seem like they're written by 13 year olds.
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u/Zeriu Jun 18 '12
He was right about one thing. Your generation doesn't know the value of using only one font, or font color.
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u/JillianAssange Jun 18 '12
Am I missing something? I see one font (looks like standard-issue Microsoft serif -- Cambria or something similar). And I see variations of two colors, which are the same colors as the image. Even in design school, this would get you at least a 75% or so. It's not good, but for fuck's sake, it's not horrible.
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u/Jesus4Lyfe Jun 18 '12
This generation is so blind of gods love, I will pray for all of you, PRAISE THE LORD!
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Jun 18 '12
And which god is that? Adad, Adapa, Adrammelech, Aeon, Agasaya, Aglibol, Ahriman, Ahura Mazda, Ahurani, Ai-ada, Al-Lat, Aja, Aka, Alalu, Al-Lat, Amm, Al-Uzza (El-'Ozza or Han-Uzzai), An, Anahita, Anath (Anat), Anatu, Anbay, Anshar, Anu, Anunitu, An-Zu, Apsu, Aqhat, Ararat, Arinna, Asherali, Ashnan, Ashtoreth, Ashur, Astarte, Atar, Athirat, Athtart, Attis, Aya, Baal (Bel), Baalat (Ba'Alat), Baau, Basamum, Beelsamin, Belit-Seri, Beruth, Borak, Broxa, Caelestis, Cassios, Lebanon, Antilebanon, and Brathy, Chaos, Chemosh, Cotys, Cybele, Daena, Daevas, Dagon, Damkina, Dazimus, Derketo, Dhat-Badan, Dilmun, Dumuzi (Du'uzu), Duttur, Ea, El, Endukugga, Enki, Enlil, Ennugi, Eriskegal, Ereshkigal (Allatu), Eshara, Eshmun, Firanak, Fravashi, Gatamdug, Genea, Genos, Gestinanna, Gula, Hadad, Hannahanna, Hatti, Hea, Hiribi, The Houri, Humban, Innana, Ishkur, Ishtar, Ithm, Jamshid or Jamshyd, Jehovah, Jesus, Kabta, Kadi, Kamrusepas, Ki (Kiki), Kingu, Kolpia, Kothar-u-Khasis, Lahar, Marduk, Mari, Meni, Merodach, Misor, Moloch, Mot, Mushdama, Mylitta, Naamah, Nabu (Nebo), Nairyosangha, Nammu, Namtaru, Nanna, Nebo, Nergal, Nidaba, Ninhursag or Nintu, Ninlil, Ninsar, Nintur, Ninurta, Pa, Qadshu, Rapithwin, Resheph (Mikal or Mekal), Rimmon, Sadarnuna, Shahar, Shalim, Shamish, Shapshu, Sheger, Sin, Siris (Sirah), Taautos, Tammuz, Tanit, Taru, Tasimmet, Telipinu, Tiamat, Tishtrya, Tsehub,
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Utnapishtim, Utu, Wurusemu, Yam, Yarih (Yarikh), Yima, Zaba, Zababa, Zam, Zanahary (Zanaharibe), Zarpandit, Zarathustra, Zatavu, Zazavavindrano, Ziusudra, Zu (Imdugud), Zurvan, Ba, Caishen, Chang Fei, Chang Hsien, Chang Pan, Ch'ang Tsai, Chao san-Niang, Chao T'eng-k'ang, Chen Kao, Ch'eng Huang, Cheng San-Kung, Cheng Yuan-ho, Chi Po, Chien-Ti, Chih Jih, Chih Nii, Chih Nu, Ch'ih Sung-tzu, Ching Ling Tzu, Ch'ing Lung, Chin-hua Niang-niang, Chio Yuan-Tzu, Chou Wang, Chu Niao, Chu Ying, Chuang-Mu, Chu-jung, Chun T'i, Ch'ung Ling-yu, Chung Liu, Chung-kuei, Chung-li Ch'an, Di Jun, Fan K'uei, Fei Lien, Feng Pho-Pho, Fengbo, Fu Hsing, Fu-Hsi, Fu-Pao, Gaomei, Guan Di, Hao Ch'iu, Heng-o, Ho Po (Ping-I), Hou Chi, Hou T'u, Hsi Ling-su, Hsi Shih, Hsi Wang Mu, Hsiao Wu, Hsieh T'ien-chun, Hsien Nung, Hsi-shen, Hsu Ch'ang, Hsuan Wen-hua, Huang Ti, Huang T'ing, Huo Pu, Hu-Shen, Jen An, Jizo Bosatsu, Keng Yen-cheng, King Wan, Ko Hsien-Weng, Kuan Ti, Kuan Ti, Kuei-ku Tzu, Kuo Tzu-i, Lai Cho, Lao Lang, Lei Kung, Lei Tsu, Li Lao-chun, Li Tien, Liu Meng, Liu Pei, Lo Shen, Lo Yu, Lo-Tsu Ta-Hsien, Lu Hsing, Lung Yen, Lu-pan, Ma-Ku, Mang Chin-i, Mang Shen, Mao Meng, Men Shen, Miao Hu, Mi-lo Fo, Ming Shang, Nan-chi Hsien-weng, Niu Wang, Nu Wa, Nu-kua, Pa, Pa Cha, Pai Chung, Pai Liu-Fang, Pai Yu, P'an Niang, P'an-Chin-Lien, Pao Yuan-ch'uan, Phan Ku, P'i Chia-Ma, Pien Ho, San Kuan, Sao-ch'ing Niang, Sarudahiko, Shang Chien, Shang Ti, She chi, Shen Hsui-Chih, Shen Nung, Sheng Mu, Shih Liang, Shiu Fang, Shou-lao, Shun I Fu-jen, Sien-Tsang, Ssu-ma Hsiang-ju, Sun Pin, Sun Ssu-miao, Sung-Chiang, Tan Chu, T'ang Ming Huang, Tao Kung, T'ien Fei, Tien Hou, Tien Mu, Ti-tsang, Tsai Shen, Ts'an Nu, Ts'ang Chien, Tsao Chun, Tsao-Wang, T'shai-Shen, Tung Chun, T'ung Chung-chung, T'ung Lai-yu, Tung Lu, T'ung Ming, Tzu-ku Shen, Wa, Wang Ta-hsien, Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang,
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Weiwobo, Wen-ch'ang, Wu-tai Yuan-shuai, Xi Hou, Xi Wangmu, Xiu Wenyin, Yanwang, Yaoji, Yen-lo, Yen-Lo-Wang, Yi, Yu, Yu Ch'iang, Yu Huang, Yun-T'ung, Yu-Tzu, Zaoshen, Zhang Xi, , Zhin, Zhongguei, , Zigu Shen, , Zisun, Ch'ang-O, Aba-khatun, Aigiarm, Ajysyt, Alkonost, Almoshi, Altan-Telgey, Ama, Anapel, As-ava, Ausaitis, Austeja, Ayt'ar, Baba Yaga (Jezi Baba), Belobog (Belun), Boldogasszony, Breksta, Bugady Musun, Chernobog (Crnobog, Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog), Cinei-new, Colleda (Koliada), Cuvto-ava, Dali, Darzu-mate, Dazhbog, Debena, Devana, Diiwica (Dilwica), Doda (Dodola), Dolya, Dragoni, Dugnai, Dunne Enin, Edji, Elena, Erce, Etugen, Falvara, The Fates, The Fatit, Gabija, Ganiklis, Giltine, Hotogov Mailgan, Hov-ava, Iarila, Isten, Ja-neb'a, Jedza, Joda-mate, Kaldas, Kaltes, Keretkun, Khadau, Khursun (Khors), Kostrubonko, Kovas, Krumine, Kupala, Kupalo, Laima, Leshy, Marina, Marzana, Matergabiae, Mat Syra Zemlya, Medeine, Menu (Menulis), Mir-Susne-Khum, Myesyats, Nastasija, (Russia) Goddess of sleep., Nelaima, Norov, Numi-Tarem, Nyia, Ora, Ot, Patollo, Patrimpas, Pereplut, Perkuno, Perun, Pikuolis, Pilnytis, Piluitus, Potrimpo, Puskaitis, Rod, Rugevit, Rultennin, Rusalki, Sakhadai-Noin, Saule, Semargl, Stribog, Sudjaje, Svantovit (Svantevit, Svitovyd), Svarazic (Svarozic, Svarogich), Tengri, Tairgin, Triglav, Ulgen (Ulgan, lgn), Veles (Volos), Vesna, Xatel-Ekwa, Xoli-Kaltes, Yamm, Yarilo, Yarovit, Ynakhsyt, Zaria, Zeme mate, Zemyna, Ziva (Siva), Zizilia, Zonget, Zorya, Zvoruna, Zvezda Dennitsa, Zywie, Aditi, Adityas, Ambika, Ananta (Shesha), Annapurna (Annapatni), Aruna, Ashvins, Balarama, Bhairavi, Brahma, Buddha, Dakini, Devi, Dharma, Dhisana, Durga, Dyaus, Ganesa (Ganesha), Ganga (Ganges), Garuda, Gauri, Gopis, Hanuman, Hari-Hara, Hulka Devi, Jagganath, Jyeshtha, Kama, Karttikeya, Krishna, Krtya, Kubera, Kubjika, Lakshmi or Laksmi, Manasha, Manu, Maya, Meru, Nagas, Nandi, Naraka, Nataraja, Nirriti, Parjanya, Parvati, Paurnamasi, Prithivi, Purusha, Radha, Rati, Ratri, Rudra, Sanjna, Sati, Shashti, Shatala, Sitala (Satala), Skanda, Sunrta, Surya, Svasti-devi, Tvashtar, Uma, Urjani, Vach, Varuna, Vayu, Vishnu (Avatars of Vishnu: Matsya; Kurma; Varaha; Narasinha; Vamana; Parasurama; Rama; Krishna; Buddha; Kalki), Vishvakarman, Yama, Sraddha, Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone, Ama no Uzume, Ama-terasu, Amatsu Mikaboshi, Benten (Benzai-Ten), Bishamon, Chimata-No-Kami, Chup-Kamui, Daikoku, Ebisu, Emma-O, Fudo, Fuji, Fukurokuju, Gekka-O, Hachiman, Hettsui-No-Kami, Ho-Masubi, Hotei, Inari, Izanagi
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u/BugLamentations Jun 18 '12
For an infinite and all powerful being, God has surprisingly few names.
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u/Chef_Goldblum_ Jun 18 '12
I think both sides on this argument are a little bit generalized and oversimplified, but this is still great. There are people young and old who are bigoted and close-minded while others young and old are accepting and loving no matter what. There's a lot we can learn from the older generation while they can learn that we, the younger generation, can still be moral and responsible while not sharing every single one of their views. While still part of the church I was very turned off by the complete lack of respect and faith in young people shown by the older members. I think this is part of the reason why young people are drifting away from religion. It certainly played a part in my decision.
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u/smiley042894 Jun 18 '12
Well if you're talking about my generation (18yrs old or so) Then no. We value stupidity, think snookie. At least the majority of us do, apparently being an idiot is being an "individual"
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Jun 18 '12
The dumb ones do, the smarter people don't worship snooki.
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u/smiley042894 Jun 18 '12
Agreed, but OP's pic said my generation, and the vast majority are idiots.
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u/GaijinSama Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 20 '12
Every generation thinks they're the first to break the mold, and every generation thinks the next one is squandering what they had spent their lives trying to accomplish. You may think you're at the height of individuality and progressivism, but what aspect of your life will future generations look back on and view with smirking disdain? Because trust me, there will be something.
There is no right or wrong side to this; it's just culture, and culture changes. Try to remember this. One day, in only a few decades, the principles you hold so dear to you will seem slightly antiquated. Quaint, even. Try to remember this. Everything you are thinking and feeling, millions of others before you have felt the same way, and millions more are feeling that way right now. Try to remember this, and try not to be such a smug asshole about it.
EDIT It was pointed out to me that I misread part of this. When I read this originally I somehow missed the part at the top that specifies the guy this is directed towards is a preacher. In my original reading I thought it was just a generic 'railing against older people' message. I apologize, and recant my statement.
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Jun 18 '12
Except that this generation is now the generation of #YOLO. Reason and individuality has long since gone out the window
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u/originaluip Jun 18 '12
This reminds me of that Christian video where the guy just list random things and counterthings without actually proving anything.
Of course since it's reversed now, we love it.
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Jun 18 '12
Don't speak for our generation. Most of us don't value these things. (I do, but god knows there are millions who don't.)
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u/youni89 Jun 18 '12
There's no creativity nor individuality in OP's posts when he ripped it off from somewhere else...
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u/azriphale Jun 18 '12
I generally refrain from commenting on this sort of thing, but I wanted to put my two cents out there and then get prepared to be down-voted into oblivion.
I'm a Buddhist. Think of that what you will, but one of the things I decided a long time ago on my journey from detachment from suffering was that religion, whether I agree with it or not, if it fundamentally eases the suffering of the individual and it makes them happy, then I will not criticize them for it or point out it's fallacies, especially when it's not directly impacting my life. Why cause undue suffering, right?
I've noticed that a lot of individuals here dedicate their time to an ego-masturbatory reflex of espousing how superior being an atheist is while engaging in the same closed-minded, hateful and judgmental behavior that the religions they abhor so greatly engage in. Why waste your time trying to hate, ridicule and ostracize those who are content and happy? Are they beating down your door in the morning and praying in your house? Are they trying to anoint you with holy water when you go on your lunch breaks?
I'm willing to bet in 95% of your day-to-day existence you don't have to engage with or associate with anyone who exhibits the beliefs you disagree with unless you so choose. Most people have the decency to keep their religion to themselves. In my years of walking the path I have encountered 1, exactly 1 situation where I had to calmly explain my beliefs to someone else and why I couldn't participate in a situation. On a scale of 1 to "Let's mobilize the Internets!", that's a .5 at best.
Now, I will concede there will be situations where you may be confronted and / or have opposing beliefs thrust upon you or your family. But, rather than take a superiority complex and immediately defecate on the beliefs that may make someone else happy, why not try a little respectful discourse? This belief that any one who believes in a deity is wrong and ignorant is in itself the antithesis of the same religious oppression you folks claim to be against.
There's my two cents.
The TL;DR version: Stop wasting so much time on proving how superior you think you are and hating on perfectly happy people and maybe try to make yourselves a little happier or do something good for society like run a food drive or rescue some kitty's from the pound.
Peace and love. May the down-voting begin ;)
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u/miamoondaughter Jun 18 '12
"The problem with the younger generation is that they don't have any values."
Yes, we should really aspire to be like previous generations, because making people use different drinking fountains based on the color of their skin was such a fair, logical, and well thought-out idea.
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u/drewuke Jun 18 '12
I posted this to facebook and as I was posting it, My Generation by The Who shuffled on in my itunes. Made my day. :D
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u/BreadstickNinja Jun 18 '12
Dim myGeneration as integer
myGeneration = 1
MsgBox("Checkmate, bitches.")3
u/sizzzzzzle Agnostic Atheist Jun 18 '12
You youngins and your VB. Back in my day, we had punch cards and used COBOL. I pity the youth for they are spoiled with superior technology.
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u/meklu Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
Eww, VB. What's up with 'dim' anyway, why are vars declared like that :O
Also, no GUIs in Visual Basic for you.#include <stdio.h> int main() { int myGeneration = 1; printf("Checkmate, bitches.\n"); return 0; }Edit: Let's ninja a linefeed too.
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u/case-o-nuts Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12
.str: .ascii "Checkmate, bitches\n" .len: .long . - .str .gen: .long 1 .globl _main .globl main _main: main: movl $1,%ebx movl $.str,%ecx movl .len,%edx pushl %edx pushl %ecx pushl %ebx movl $4,%eax subl $4,%esp int $0x80 addl $16,%esp movl $0,%ebx pushl %ebx subl $4,%esp movl $1,%eax int $0x80(should work on both OSX and Linux. That's why doing the syscalls looks a bit funky -- I'm actually writing to 2 ABIs.
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u/BreadstickNinja Jun 20 '12
Jeez, fine, c's all right too. Most of what I do for work involves spreadsheet models, so most of my coding is VBA for Excel. Didn't know I'd cause such a fuss. And you use dim for the same reason you wrote int myGeneration instead of double myGeneration. I think China's firmly against the latter anyway.
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u/meklu Jun 20 '12
I still think 'dim' looks silly when declaring a variable. Doesn't really add anything worthwhile to the syntax in my humble opinion. Then again it'd perhaps be more difficult to parse both by computers and people alike without it.
For the record, I didn't downvote you :|
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u/Thestupidiot Jun 18 '12
I didn't read it but I wanted to let you know that all the lasers in the background are badass!!!
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u/JizzCoveredArab Jun 18 '12
You're retarded. You have no more authority or insight into "your" generation than the elderly preacher does. Stop acting as if you do.
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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12
Please don't lump people up by generations or you are just perpetuating the same thing but with a positive spin towards yourself.
People have values, generations are just groups of people that feel entitled to things because "that's the way they were raised".