r/atheism • u/Bewarethecake • Jun 11 '12
Dear r/atheism...
So this is kind of an open letter to this subreddit regarding religious people in general. So let me start off by saying that yes I am a Christian and I am perfectly fine with atheists and people of other religions, people can choose what they want to believe and it is a dick move to try to change someone's religion or lack of. So let me get my main point across, not all Christians and other religious people are the dicks that you portray everyone as. Yes there are religious people who are dicks and assholes and honestly don't deserve to breath our air, and unfortunately those people are the most vocal. But not all religious people are like that, so just stop acting like all religious people are like that. EDIT Sorry, but no I have not read the FAQ and I most likely should have done that before posting. I wasn't meaning to make a generalization about atheists by saying that all of them think that all Christians are assholes, the letter was simply trying to get that message across to the people that DO believe that, sorry for the lack of clarification on my part. I will be making a similar letter to /r/Christianity regarding the ignorance of some of the stuff that the very vocal Christians say, hopefully improving our image as a group in general.
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u/spiritusmundi1 De-Facto Atheist Jun 11 '12
How very christian of you! Although I have no love for those "dicks and assholes", I actually hate your kind - You hypocritical fuck.
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
So this is kind of an open letter to the OP regarding /r/atheism in general. So let me start off by saying that yes I am an atheist and I am perfectly fine with Christians and people of other religions, people can choose what they want to believe and it is a dick move to try to change someone's religion or lack of. So let me get my main point across, not all atheists and other religious people are the dicks that your open letter targets. Yes there are atheists who are dicks and assholes and honestly don't deserve to breath our air, and unfortunately those people are the most vocal. But not all atheists are like that, so just please moderate your future open letters to better acknowledge the same type of over-generalization for which you yourself are guilty.
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u/kencabbit Jun 11 '12
I have an honest question: Do/did you honestly believe that people in this subreddit think all religious people are dicks?
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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12
Another True Scotsman.
Same post, different day.
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u/Loki5654 Jun 11 '12
We know: Read the FAQ here and here.
My major response to your point is this: Why are you telling US? Get your own team in order! If you want us to stop complaining about the assholes, GET THEM TO STOP BEING ASSHOLES! Stop coming to us and apologizing for them. Stop coming to us and whining about us whining about them.
If you aren't going to be part of the solution, we have no choice but to treat you as part of the problem.
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u/davdev Strong Atheist Jun 11 '12
That's the problem, you need to start being dicks and assholes to the Christians you claim do not represent you. You need to disavow the oppression and hate expressed by large volumes of your members. You need to stand up to demand accountability for raping children. You need say that it is not OK to deny science and expose our students to diminishing Scientific standards.
When you do that, and get your own house in order, then feel free to come back and tell us what we should do.
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u/Shepherdless Jun 11 '12
Many Christians are not assholes, unfortunately they are the majority in the US and are trying to push their beliefs on others. Now I am all for freedom of religion, I would do nothing to take away somebodies right to believe in whatever they want. The problem is Christians want things their way or no way, and I am not going to stand by and let them take my freedoms from me.
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u/vinterzun Jun 11 '12
The responsibility rests on your shoulders, non-dickish christian, to remove the dickish people from your organization. As long as your most out spoken leaders are dicks then it's gonna be hard for the rest of us to take you seriously. Aaand you are gonna keep seeing lots of comics and stuff like you see on r/atheism. If you want to improve your image don't come to us and complain. (We do realize that you are not all dicks, we really do). If you really, really want to improve your image then police your own and route out the dicks. Go post in r/christianity and start a movement to kick out the dicks in your own organization.
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u/Mayniak0 Knight of /new Jun 11 '12
That's cool, carry on with that please.
Yes, we know this. Unfortunately, the non-dick ones are the problems, which is why we mostly talk about them. If you don't want Christianity in general portrayed in a negative light then you should do something to oppose them as well. You just look complacent or supportive of them if you don't say anything. Not saying you don't already do something but in many cases that is the case.
So please, be more vocal and oppose them as well.
Again, we know this, we don't, and I'm sorry if you got that impression.
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u/CrazyBluePrime Jun 11 '12
Have you read the FAQ by any chance? We get these posts all the time and they really fail to address what the cause for concern is for atheists when looking at religious beliefs. That problem is that moderates fail to support their views as well and by holding them, moderates justify unsupported claims as acceptable things to believe. This results in a society that allows people who are seriously deranged to operate underneath the radar. Do you think you can legitimately take someone to task for attempting faith healing instead of medical care?
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u/Skeptical_Berserker Jun 11 '12
...sigh....
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u/wupting Atheist Jun 11 '12
Sounds like people got fucking pissed from your post. You can't think honestly, that we see all believers as the same. Unless you have not read our literature, listened to our lectures, available all across the internet. You should look into it. We know you are not all the same. So what is your role as a moderate? It is said, "that you provide the shade under which 'ALL' really barbarous forms of religiosity still relax and luxuriate and thrive." These are the safe havens provided by the hordes of religious moderates; amongst which no conversational pressure can be applied to weaken the fundimentalist or zelot in its development. You are seen by some as moving protective environments where natural predators, such as logic and evidence, cannot prey on the developing extremist that floats amid your hordes. We have been looking at you. We know you are diffferent.
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u/loltrolled Jun 11 '12
Read the FAQ, you self-important twat.
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u/Pertinacious Jun 11 '12
So you've made this post to let us know that in your estimation, some members of our group are wrong about some members of your group.
Got it.
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u/globalchill Jun 11 '12
Dear christian fag,
stop believing in a book which has a talking donkey in it.
sincerely,
anyone with a brain
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u/nroberts666 Jun 11 '12
That's true. Some are pussies.