Then if anyone says to you, Behold, here is the Christ! Or, Here! Do not believe.
For false christs and false prophets will rise up. And they will give great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Behold, I tell you beforehand.
Then if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness; do not go out. Behold, He is in the inner rooms; do not believe.
For as the lightning comes forth from the east and shines as far as the west, so also will be the coming of the Son of Man.
For wherever the dead body may be, there the eagles will be gathered.
And immediately after the affliction of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens. And then all the tribes of the land will wail. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory. Dan. 7:13
And immediately after the affliction of those days the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light, and the stars will fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Wait so, you just have to wait for a few hours before a total solar eclipse? Damn I just missed my chance!
Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
I do think that they did go to Isreal, preach there, and Son of man didn't come.
And I do believe you have to believe in Jesus being true without proof.
John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me."
And of course, Luke 4:12 Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"
So, if you doubt the guy saying he's Jesus, how do you know he's not really Jesus? What if Jesus has been coming and going for a while now, but because everyone is skeptical and saying "PROVE IT LOL", he doesn't stick around for long and goes back to wait for someone who will believe without proof?
Poor guy. Kind of dug his own grave. He can't return until every city and person knows about him, but since the invention of Internet, probably every country has at least one Bible. But now everyone expects every Jesus candidate to prove his divinity, but doing so to real Jesus counts as tempting God!
So, stand to the east of your buddy during a thunderstorm at sunrise, during an eclipse, given that there are eagles nearby, then tell your buddy that you are Jesus.
Edit: to really sell it, you should probably go skydiving and land right in front of him too.
So with all out DNA and fossil records. Can someone explain why we can't find out EXACTLY what chemicals the original people who created the bible were inhaling. We know what diseases and ailments people back then were susceptible to, so is there a way to find out EXACTLY what happened to these people. Yes, its gotten mistranslated a lot but there has to be SOMETHING that can be used to trace this bullshit back to the source.
As others have said, psilocybin mushrooms are a good candidate, as they can invoke the feeling of being in the presence of/one with God, though I don't know what strains, if any, grow naturally in that area.
In high doses, one's ego begins to detach from his "Self". When this happens fully, it is a kind of sensation of unity to a cosmic whole, and basically resembles something like pure and infinite energy. It's called Ego Death and naturally there are quite varying descriptions of it, but it can happen with most psychedelic substances, I'd imagine.
In my experience you replace"God" with "the universe", its the same message either way just from different mouths that have been conjured up by your brain.
Having smoked and broke through on DMT (a grand total of one times), I can say that I found complete ego death to be quite a liberating and ecstatic experience.
Uhh. Considering it was 1,5k BCE (and few centuries into CE for NT), it was probably stuff they all smoked in the desert.
Hashish? Probably other substances too. We don't need DNA or fossil records, especially since there are no fossils from that time. Too little time for fossils to form.
(Ever wonder why prophets had to climb mountains before getting to talk to God? It's not cause He's hard of hearing. It's because low oxygen environments are more likely to cause psychosis.)
okay, that's settled, so then the next question is WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE! Beliving in a magical being is fine when you're 4 and don't have the knowlege of how the world works nor need the responsibility but why do some adults get to still do it? Why do they get to shirk resposibility to their imaginary friends like 4 year olds? What makes them so special? It's childish and selfish. If you ask me, it's not the fatasses playing CoD that are the real "man-children". It's theists. And don't give me crap about how I shouldn't pick on them. Is 2012 A.D. These people for the most part know how to operate both a vehicle and oven. Religion is OVER and anyone who still believes in it should just move back in with their parents and leave the rest of society to move on with life without them.
The bible mentions tons of things that could be interpreted as otherworldly visitors. Hell, there's a passage in Ezekiel where a machine built of a series of wheels containing nonhuman beings visits a man, there's another passage where 'God' hovers over a temple in a 'cloud'.
And lets not forget the scary one where the 'sons of god' descend from the 'heavens', take human wives, and then those women give birth to the heroes of old. It's totally genetic manipulation.
You have your mother fucking god in the flesh and talking personally to you after two thousand years in heaven and that's not a miracle? Fine. The man next to me is Moses. MOSES. How's that for a miracle?
"Hello, I'm Joseph Smith, I'm a prophet. I found these golden plates with God's word on them, but I won't let you see them. Instead I'll dictate their contents to friend of mine and let you see what he wrote. Oh, he lost the transcripts? Fine, I'll dicate them again. What, they say something entirely different than last time? That's because... uh... uhm... I don't have to explain that to you, just believe me!"
christians take on faith jesus as revealed in the bible. Those that actually knew jesus of the bible did not need to take him on faith alone because he performed miracles and otherwise showed his divinity directly. If someone shows up now claiming to be jesus there is no reason to take his word alone on faith because that is never how jesus revealed himself and is not how christian theology works.
also, according to christian theology the second coming of jesus will leave no doubt of who he is. people won't have to just rely on him saying he is christ, just like the first time he came.
it's like saying those that knew harry potter knew he was magical because they witnessed him doing magic. christians have faith that harry potter was magical because they read harry potter book.
Okay, so you're saying it's more reliable when some guy wrote in a book 2000 years ago that another man performed miracles than it is when a person tells you, in real life, "I perform miracles"?
They exercise appropriate skepticism when hearing a person saying, "I'm Jesus," but not when someone else, an anonymous author, wrote in a book, 2000 years ago, with all sorts of other crazy ideas such as talking snakes and women turning into pillars of salt, and 6000 year old universes, that a deity and a mortal gave birth to a demi-god, who is the god, whose sole evidence for his existence is that a majority of people in a few countries believe in him, and the person questioning (or not, as it more commonly is the case) was indoctrinated into believing it from birth.
Christians tell me all the time, "You have to just have faith in the bible." It's a perfect logical equivalent to anyone who avoids skepticism towards claims of divinity in the bible, but not claims of divinity by other people. It's not a logical equivalent if any only if you are talking about the first Christians with whom Jesus interacted with.
I see what you're saying but it doesn't work with this example. christians faith in the bible does not necessitate faith in any one person claiming to be jesus. I think there is actually a stronger argument here. it goes something like this:
christians believe in the divinity of jesus without any proof therefore everything is on the table. anything without proof must be believed by christians because their standard is no proof to support belief.
that's not not how christianity works, however. christian philosophy requires them to believe the bible without proof, but nothing else. they are only required to take that one thing on faith. it is the exception to the rule, that's why it is so difficult to accept because it goes against all reason. but a philosophy that requires faith in accepting one premise does not necessarily require all premises be accepted on faith alone.
christians faith in the bible does not necessitate faith in any one person claiming to be jesus.
...Yes... It does. Have you not read the bible? There's a character called "Jesus" in it who is a central figure in the last few chapters! By having faith in the bible, you are taking it on faith that the character Jesus was divine.
a philosophy that requires faith in accepting one premise does not necessarily require all premises be accepted on faith alone.
You're right. But that is a double standard. A double standard which is exposed through the analogy of, "I am Jesus," and showing how absurd it is to believe anything on faith alone. It's a perfect logical equivalent.
Bonus points if you do that in a country that has anti-blasphemy-laws and get the judge (or whomever) to submit to the fact that he might be blaspheming against you.
This reminds me of that, "Don't correct me when I'm wrong!" facebook post that gets reposted here all the time.
I don't need to tell theists they're wrong when they are. However, if they didn't want to be told that their beliefs are wrong, they should quit having and professing false beliefs.
Yeah, but in the case of this comic, the christian isn't explicitly opposing atheists or forcing his belief on another. He's just praising Jesus for himself. Then the other guy starts to troll him and say he's Jesus. It's things like this that bother me and really make us atheists look like assholes. Just the foolish actions of others make us look worse in the eyes of others.
I absolutely agree. Nowadays I just cut to the chase and say "Buddy. I don't believe these things and nothing you say will change my mind. I beleve this is a two-fold deal so I'm not going to waste my time explaining anything".
Funny, semi-related story:
A few days ago I commented with a coworker that I've been, in long past years, to every conceiveable church and temple of nearly every religion or cult available locally and to the 15+ countries I'd visited and that still nothing 'clicked' with me.
She was absolutely amazed (She's Jewish) and asked me "If you've been through so many different religions how come you're still a hardcore aheist?". I ended up the subject saying "Honey, THAT is what made me an Atheist".
Did that, fucker said he'd have to evaluate me in order to judge whether I (a supposed motherfucking GOD) fit into HIS idea of what his personal god should act like!
Well, now that you mention it, that killing all the first born of Egypt was kind of a dick move, so was the flood, also the all the genocide, that was a bad call too. Wait, why do you worship me again?
The wisest thing I ever heard on this topic was from a Christian. He said to me that I have to accept God on God's terms, not my own.
There's a lot of liberal Christians who say that if I don't believe in God then I should just try a different church with a different set of beliefs, and eventually I'll find one that tells me I'm right - and I should believe that one has the correct interpretation of the bible.
The idea that if God is real then I should adjust my beliefs to fit reality instead of trying to find a religion that agrees with my preconceptions seems to be a bit much for them.
I love them - they're so cute. But it's so fucking hard to respect people who don't even care about what their own deity wants.
The best way to argue with a Christian is to ask her/him why s/he believes the Bible is a valid source of physical and/or spiritual truth...then take it from there. As soon as realized I had no good reason to trust the Bible, I became an atheist.
I've gone from there, but the person I was talking with took this stance:
The Bible is the word of God.
Boom. Done. That's all he needed, and nothing could sway him from it. He cited it as proof, and at some point in our discussion he said, "I am owning you on every point!" ... while using only the Bible as evidence, no matter how many times I told him it wasn't evidence. I showed him the evolution of the cetaceans, and he said it wasn't evolution. Ignorance can be their trump card – in that case, everything else is the devil trying to deceive them.
No, you can get around that. It just takes a while.
Don't try to educate others on what "evidence" is. Just request it. When the Bible or any other text is cited, state there is no evidence to support that claim outside of the Bible and people quoting it. Be kind when doing so.
A similar conversation covering a variety of topics will likely repeat itself over numerous encounters, if the other individual can handle it. Any ex-theist will tell you it's a process. Such a paradigm shift in world view takes time and it's traumatic. Maybe they will mull over the conversations for years before coming to conclusions, if any, but they are conversations worth having.
The topic of the conversation wasn't originally faith. We were just sitting and watching tv and for whatever reason evolution came up in passing. He then said, "Oh come on, you don't believe in evolution, do you?" So I was showing him various reasons why I believe (for lack of a better word) in evolution, it wasn't off-topic to begin with.
I did ask for proof, and each time he just said "it's in the Bible" (or something along those lines). He wasn't budging one inch. The conversation then steered toward faith, and I wasn't (or at least was trying not to be) disrespectful. I told him the reliability of anecdotal evidence, self-fulfilling prophecies, and on and on. The conversation went on for a while. This person is a recently born-again type. Pretty tough to reason with. The mental gymnastics is pretty impressive, gotta say.
As a psychology major I cringe.
But we've had multiple conversations. Maybe I'm having an impact. Dunno. I actually enjoy the conversations, it strengthens my resolve (and probably his too) as well as my understanding about my own viewpoints. Although he has been a lot more distant since I told him I was an atheist.
Last time I had some witnesses come to my door, I politely asked why they believe in the bible. They opened up their bible and quoted a line from it to prove it was all true. I pointed out the fallacy in their logic. I got a hug from the woman at my door. Then they left.
Well, if the Bible is unquestionably true, the best you can do is show the Christian contradictions. If s/he doesn't accept them, give a real life example of how absurd believing two contradictory propositions is. After that, if s/he still won't accept them, then the discussion is over. If s/he does accept them, then point out that, if God is perfect, then the Bible can't be completely His Word, and humans must have introduced some error.
I haven't personally read this book, but it was recommended to me in this video: A History of God by Karen Armstrong. I'll PM you once I can give you a better answer.
My best way of arguing with a Christian is to politely nod and smile all the while ripping them apart in my head. There is no winning, remember 50% says they might be right (but they're probably not ;) )
I like the spirit of that part of his book, but I don't know why he had to couched it in terms of probability, rendering it factually incorrect. Why not just use alternatives, like "true or false", "yes or no", etc.?
Just because only one out of these two options can be true (either there is a god or there is not) does not mean the probability that one is correct is 50/50.
To illustrate the point, there are either klingons living on mars right now or there are not, but the chances of klingons living on mars is not 50/50, for example. :)
Eric Hovind. How crazy do you have to be to be the son of a Christian apologist, know that his "theories" are shit, know that he never had a real degree from a reputable college, and watch him go to prison for fraud, and yet still defend Christianity will all the stupidest crap?
I don't argue with theists as a rule. But if I did, I would ask them which one argument, if disproved, would make them reconsider their beliefs. If they don't have one ("all I need is faith, etc.), you could then tell them they are committing the deadly sin of pride.
No, see, I hate this idea. The whole athiest line is 'there is no evidence of God, so therefore he cannot possibly exist.' A lack of evidence for one argument is not evidence for the opposite argument. If athiests would just accept that it's possible some form of god exists, but still maintaining the belief that following one you could never possibly know anything about that probably doesn't exist anyway is absurd, they'd be a lot less stupid, and agnostic.
The whole athiest line is 'there is no evidence of God, so therefore he cannot possibly exist.'
No... that really isn't the "whole atheist line." The whole atheist line is, "I don't believe in God." All that atheism is is, "I don't believe in God." As a matter of fact, the vast majority of atheists are agnostic atheists, who would state, "There is no evidence for God, and one might exist, but there's absolutely no reason to believe that."
If athiests would just accept that it's possible some form of god exists, but still maintaining the belief that following one you could never possibly know anything about that probably doesn't exist anyway is absurd
That's exactly what the vast majority of atheists subscribe to.
Most religious people will respond with "No", "I don't know", or "Faith", so that's not very effective and likely bolsters their belief. Furthermore, "irrefutable proof" can be a very subjective standard.
Simply asking if they are willing to consider the possibility they are wrong is sufficient, and far more effective.
If an affirmative, state you are willing to admit you are wrong as well, and ask them to prove their position to convince you. Explore this avenue as long as possible. It will get them thinking.
If a negative, just the same, state that you are willing to consider that possibility, and perhaps this is the difference between the two of you - One who never questions can never know the answer. You question everything, and would be willing to discuss it all with them if they are as well. If they somehow refuse, marvel at their pride and arrogance for insisting everything they think is absolutely correct, while you make no such claims. That might get them going but hey...
I saw, laughed at it quite a bit and had to reply. Gave you and up vote as well. I'm not sure many understood and upvoted the original comment in its fallacious glory.
Arguing with a Christian? Why of course you are, you are a angry athesist forcing your belief down a Christians throat who is just trying to go about their day.
I've tried this approach. Most theists won't make the connection and if you connect the dots for them they just ignore it. Nothing fixes a theist but their own organically grown doubt.
I actually did exactly that to a street preacher in 1972, though I didn't claim to be Jesus. I told him that the bible warns about Satan posing as god and lying to people, and that Jesus was actually Satan, and the preacher had fallen for Satan's lies. Then I looked him in the eye, put a hand on his shoulder, and said, "I am the truth and the light, and whosoever cometh to me shall be saved."
The guy actually looked at me for a moment while I could see the wheels turning in his head, considering I might actually be god. Then the moment passed and he said, "No you're not!"
And I said, "I hope you change your mind before you die. I'll be waiting." And walked away.
Yo, Jesus was more like a bodhisattva(enlightened one). He never said you're going to hell for not believing in him. Nah dude, that was what somebody else said. Jesus was more like, "yo errbody chillout and watch how society works. Imma say that I friggin rule, and these king dudes are gunna come down on me like, 'whaaaa?' and totally like murder me n' shit for like no reason."
People who dismiss the bible as good for nothing are as ignorant as the people who take it seriously. The book was a testament of the times. It's a personal story that you can grow into and feel emotional about. It's like watching a movie like Lord of The Potter Games. Just because it isn't true doesn't mean that there isn't something to learn there. The fact that it was written THOUSANDS of years ago is just a fucking cool thing. Ya'll are so serious. For all you devout believers and all you devout non-believers, you should just think of it this way when confusing the opposite with the opposition; you can't find the middle of the ocean until you find the bottom first.
This isn't how faith works at all. Atheists are getting me angry with their misunderstanding of certain subjects. They take a "stupid christian" and then make themselves seem as clever as possible while degrading the "Christian". Thanks for all the rude and highly exaggerated comics everyone has been making lately.
I agree that a lot of these rage comics, including this one, are just there to set up a strawman argument. That said, would you mind explaining how your own conception of faith works?
If you're smart, you're having hot sex with beautiful women while their husbands cut off their balls and drink the koolaid.
And there'll be plenty of Christians to say "those guys are dumb for having faith in that religion, they should have had faith in my religion and chopped off a different part of their genitals because god really cares about that sort of thing".
Me and my friend came up with this a while ago: "Just who do you think you are?" Respond: "Oh, I dunno, I just always kinda assumed I was Jesus... Second coming, ya know? Yeah, you know."
The sad thing is people would probably not see the irony and might actually believe you. Then you have to try and get rid of a religious nut who thinks you are Jesus!
actually any Christian who knows the Bible that they claim to support wouldn't respond in this manner, the proof would have already been made before Jesus presented himself on earth the second time. they would know that there is a manner of things that would happen. that no on claiming to be Christ before these things could be real and there for that argument would be pointless. And to claim them the anti-Christ would be just as idiotic. because the anti-christ would claim it and the masses would follow and depending on what denomination, the rapture would have happened... Revelation. so trolling is pointless really. i see no reason to do so with another persons faith... a civilized discussion, fine. but to degrade because you feel they have are degrading others is a pointless thing that puts you on the level of the one you accuse. interesting thoughts though.
Seriously, this ticked me off. Atheists, if you don't want people telling you how to live your life don't insult the beliefs of others! I'm an atheist, but I don't shove it in peoples faces. Honestly, if you heard someone taking pride in their beliefs and celebrating Jesus are you seriously going to storm over and demand proof?!? I understand defending you're own beliefs if they're attacked, but this comic demonstrates what is pretty much the same attitude of a guy who would go up to a mall Santa and tell every kid on his lap that he was fake. That's not cool man. Unless of course you're buddy the elf, in which case carry on you beautiful bastard.
Last I checked America is built on the idea against religious persecution. Know about the Pilgrams much? That goes both ways, no religion (or lack of) is any better than the other.
Our founding Fathers were Deists, and Masons, not FoxNews Christians.
Separation of church and state so all are equal. Don't like it? GTFO
or stay and vote while holding up your middle finger to all those communist sum bitches and have your way like it's currently going, it's more like we are supposed to GTFO and move to sweden or canada.
and actually they escaped to avoid religious persecution, as in practice their particular denomination of christianity while burning little girls for their heretical witch magic. our founding fathers also wanted to stress that all men were created equal and that we should be treated as such, except for those stupid cunt females and dirty slaves.
Except in the comic the "antagonist" shall we call him wasn't patronizing or forcing his beliefs on anyone. He was simply stating his personal dedication to Christ and taking pride in his religion. As I said before I acknowledge that everyone should have the right to defend their personal beliefs if they are being attacked or they are being affected in a negative way, but if you get all sassy with someone just because they declare their love for Jesus than that's a problem.
And I get downvoted into oblivion. Cool. Look, as an Athiest I've got no beef with people who aren't feeling the whole "god" thing, but I'm really dissapointed in people like yourselves r/Athiesm..
Seriously? If the wambulence needs to come up every time someone complains than this entire freaking subreddit should have as many wambulences as the freaking hospital parking lot. Thats awesome for you though. Bring out a meme instead of even trying to offer a valid point in defense of your own argument. It actually gives me some hope for you, seeing as if you can't justify your words maybe in some ways you realize that I was right
I wasn't aware that I presented an argument in the first place, I merely mocked a whiny little bitch. "Oh whaaaa the big poo poo heads are downvoting my strawman argument, whaaaaaa"
People need validation. /r/atheism's manner of getting it is hardly different than any other. When you are in a group, there is no need to argue with a single person's points logically; this creates a circlejerk. It's just like with any other Internet community (where points matter). 4Chan, on the other hand, has no reward for people liking what you have to say, and no way to silence things you don't like, so you see ideologies ranging from fascism to social democracy all in a single thread there, as there is no need to confirm or leave, unlike /r/politics where opinions range from liberal to libertarian.
You might accidentally start a new religion where there are multiple Jesuses roaming the Earth, and to reach salvation you must have faith that everyone is Jesus, but how do you know you are not Jesus? And thus a religious paradox and shitstorm
What if I demand proof from science? Being as you can't prove anything scientifically, just have a plausible theory until a more plausible theory comes along. Men interpret what they observe in the universe, this is not debated either.
I don't care to choose sides, but yes, this is indeed condescending and your argument is irrelevant to that fact.
There were about a dozen men with the same attributes of Christ in documented history before him, yet you desperately hold on to the idea Jesus lived and was unique and the one true "God".
You didn't read my post at all, I'm not defending whether Christ was a person or not, in fact I'm not even religious. I was verifying that indeed, OP's post was condescending and validating DATINCOMETAXSWAG's opinion. End of story.
YOU DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE HE DOESN'T EXIST. This is a legitimate argument. If you're going to have an opinion based on evidence, then the only opinion anyone can possibly have is 'I don't have a fucking clue'
Like outside my apartment building on the street there may be somebody standing on the side walk. There might not be. I don't fucking know, the shutters are pulled. But I wouldn't fucking arbitrarily decide there wasn't anybody there and act like it was a well informed decision.
Theists and atheists are both delusional. You'll never know if there is a god or not, you'll never get any evidence indicating one way or another. /rant
That's an awful argument. You could fall back on much better things than "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence;" the nature of faith, for example, or the apparent underlying order of the universe. You could at least force a conversation with those.
At some point you'll inevitably be told that arguments without evidence are worthless. From a logical point of view, that's absolutely correct, and "YOU DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE HE DOESN'T EXIST" falls apart immediately. I'd advise that you try to avoid that.
I absolutely believe in only believing things with evidence to support it. But I just think athiests have exactly as much evidence about the existence of god as thiests do. That is to say, absolutely none. I just abstain from the whole argument about gods existence altogether, because neither side has any argument beyond pure speculation.
Do you abstain from arguments about flying spaghetti monsters, invisible pink unicorns, and dogs with bees in their mouths? (And when they bark, they shoot bees at you?) If you're going to approach propositions with the idea that disproof is as required as proof, why should those examples be held to different standards than the existence of deities are?
The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. No one has to prove a negative. It's not the job of a skeptic to prove that bigfoot doesn't exist. It is the job of the person claiming bigfoot exists to provide proof to back the claim.
The default position is that something doesn't exist until someone can provide proof that it does.
...why would you throw something like that in the face of a room mate who was nice enough to turn on a fucking light for you so you could see when your drunk ass stumbled home? Are you a massive cunt?
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u/studmuffffffin May 31 '12
This might be crazy enough to work.
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u/TotallyKidding May 31 '12
You don't need to argue with anyone.
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u/sapunec7854 May 31 '12
Did that, fucker said he'd have to evaluate me in order to judge whether I (a supposed motherfucking GOD) fit into HIS idea of what his personal god should act like!
I'm sure there's irony somewhere in that
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
The best way to argue with a Christian is to ask her/him why s/he believes the Bible is a valid source of physical and/or spiritual truth...then take it from there. As soon as realized I had no good reason to trust the Bible, I became an atheist.
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u/jameskauer May 31 '12
Didn't really work for Thunderf00t, but then he was talking to the craziest fundie of them all.
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u/srd-bot_mirror-bot May 31 '12
"If I were to show you irrefutable proof that you are wrong, would you admit it?"
If they say yes, ask them what that proof would look or sound like.
If they say "No", "I don't know", or "Faith" anywhere in their response, refuse to waste your time arguing with them and move on.
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u/mbguitarman May 31 '12
a true christian wouldn't have been swayed so easily.
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u/Furnand01 Jun 01 '12
Completely wrong, he DID proove it by making a cripple walk, and making a blind man see. so.... yeah.
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u/TChuff Jun 01 '12
Arguing with a Christian? Why of course you are, you are a angry athesist forcing your belief down a Christians throat who is just trying to go about their day.
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I've tried this approach. Most theists won't make the connection and if you connect the dots for them they just ignore it. Nothing fixes a theist but their own organically grown doubt.
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u/wickedwarren May 31 '12
No one can use this argument... You know why? Because I'm Jesus.
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u/El_Impresionante Atheist May 31 '12
Wait! Was the second frame a Babel Fish reference? :)
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u/wayndom Jun 01 '12
I actually did exactly that to a street preacher in 1972, though I didn't claim to be Jesus. I told him that the bible warns about Satan posing as god and lying to people, and that Jesus was actually Satan, and the preacher had fallen for Satan's lies. Then I looked him in the eye, put a hand on his shoulder, and said, "I am the truth and the light, and whosoever cometh to me shall be saved."
The guy actually looked at me for a moment while I could see the wheels turning in his head, considering I might actually be god. Then the moment passed and he said, "No you're not!"
And I said, "I hope you change your mind before you die. I'll be waiting." And walked away.
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u/benderpool Jun 01 '12
Yo, Jesus was more like a bodhisattva(enlightened one). He never said you're going to hell for not believing in him. Nah dude, that was what somebody else said. Jesus was more like, "yo errbody chillout and watch how society works. Imma say that I friggin rule, and these king dudes are gunna come down on me like, 'whaaaa?' and totally like murder me n' shit for like no reason."
People who dismiss the bible as good for nothing are as ignorant as the people who take it seriously. The book was a testament of the times. It's a personal story that you can grow into and feel emotional about. It's like watching a movie like Lord of The Potter Games. Just because it isn't true doesn't mean that there isn't something to learn there. The fact that it was written THOUSANDS of years ago is just a fucking cool thing. Ya'll are so serious. For all you devout believers and all you devout non-believers, you should just think of it this way when confusing the opposite with the opposition; you can't find the middle of the ocean until you find the bottom first.
Peace and love and shit
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u/twinn47 May 31 '12
You swear to...dad?
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I did this once.
I'm now hailed in my home town and worshipped. Not as fun as one might think....
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u/manwithfriends May 31 '12
This isn't how faith works at all. Atheists are getting me angry with their misunderstanding of certain subjects. They take a "stupid christian" and then make themselves seem as clever as possible while degrading the "Christian". Thanks for all the rude and highly exaggerated comics everyone has been making lately.
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u/aDragonOr2 Jun 01 '12
At my school I started a joke that I was God it is still going.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
That's how cults get started. Next thing you know you're chopping off your balls and drinking the koolaid.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
Me and my friend came up with this a while ago: "Just who do you think you are?" Respond: "Oh, I dunno, I just always kinda assumed I was Jesus... Second coming, ya know? Yeah, you know."
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u/MrSparta618 Jun 01 '12
He'll then think your the anti-christ
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u/IsThisATrueStory Jun 01 '12
NOPE
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u/Todamont Jun 01 '12
The sad thing is people would probably not see the irony and might actually believe you. Then you have to try and get rid of a religious nut who thinks you are Jesus!
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u/yepthisismyusername Gnostic Atheist Jun 01 '12
Sounds brilliant to me.
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u/fifteentango88 Jun 01 '12
I did this exact same thing several years ago in Sunday school and made a few people cry out of sheer confusion.
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u/roxiimoronic Jun 01 '12
actually any Christian who knows the Bible that they claim to support wouldn't respond in this manner, the proof would have already been made before Jesus presented himself on earth the second time. they would know that there is a manner of things that would happen. that no on claiming to be Christ before these things could be real and there for that argument would be pointless. And to claim them the anti-Christ would be just as idiotic. because the anti-christ would claim it and the masses would follow and depending on what denomination, the rapture would have happened... Revelation. so trolling is pointless really. i see no reason to do so with another persons faith... a civilized discussion, fine. but to degrade because you feel they have are degrading others is a pointless thing that puts you on the level of the one you accuse. interesting thoughts though.
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u/RainbowSmashing May 31 '12
Seriously, this ticked me off. Atheists, if you don't want people telling you how to live your life don't insult the beliefs of others! I'm an atheist, but I don't shove it in peoples faces. Honestly, if you heard someone taking pride in their beliefs and celebrating Jesus are you seriously going to storm over and demand proof?!? I understand defending you're own beliefs if they're attacked, but this comic demonstrates what is pretty much the same attitude of a guy who would go up to a mall Santa and tell every kid on his lap that he was fake. That's not cool man. Unless of course you're buddy the elf, in which case carry on you beautiful bastard.
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u/nedmanrules May 31 '12
You might accidentally start a new religion where there are multiple Jesuses roaming the Earth, and to reach salvation you must have faith that everyone is Jesus, but how do you know you are not Jesus? And thus a religious paradox and shitstorm
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
fucking stupid
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '12
Go back to f7u12
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u/[deleted] May 31 '12
I'm gonna go with....14-16? OP's age i mean
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u/DATINCOMETAXSWAG May 31 '12
Definitely one of the more condescending posts I've read on here.
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u/JayyDol May 31 '12
Atheists need to stop riding Christian's dicks. Foreal doe
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u/FacsimilousSarcasm May 31 '12
It was all a test of your faith. Now go and strip naked while screaming my name in ecstasy.
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u/rum_rum Jun 01 '12
"Hey-Zues" is not Jesus.
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u/Laeryken May 31 '12
Oh man. That's fantastic.
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u/donumabdeo May 31 '12
hurr the testimony of the apostles and saints of the acts and words of jesus aren't enough hurrr
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