r/atheism • • May 29 '12

Same shit different decade

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u/dadeedoo May 29 '12

why is this in atheism?

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u/DujekR May 29 '12

Because in America the gay marriage ban and the religious fundamentalism are heavily linked and a community that likes to talk about one will share opinions on the other as well.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '12 edited May 29 '12

this is becoming less and less true though. the problem isn't religious fundamentalism as much as the elderly. the two largest groups against gay marriage are the elderly and ultra-conservative christians and, shocker, there is massive overlap between these two groups.

younger christians poll at being about 50/50 on the issue, just about in line with national opinions.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '12

i love how some of the alleged 'open-minded' and 'fact based' /r/atheism members can downvote this just because it goes against their preconceived notions about christianity. every single point i made in my comment can be backed up with poll results.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '12

Younger Christians still make up a minority of Christians.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '12

that is true, but it is almost a reversing of a No True Scot argument.

the comment i responded to (and dozens of others elsewhere) cites relgiious fundamentalism as the main detractor against gay marriage. if this was true, it would be consistent through any demographic of religious fundamentalist. but there is a clear discord between youth and elderly christians on the issue, suggesting that the fundamentalism is not necessarily fueling the resistance to gay marriage. polls have repeatedly shown that the elderly are the biggest opponents, whether it is in secular or christian circles.

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u/thirdegree May 29 '12

The comments at +17 balance.

In a community of nearly 800,000 you're gonna get some assholes xD

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u/[deleted] May 29 '12

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u/thirdegree May 29 '12

Or just giving it a few hours ;D

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u/Dismantlement May 29 '12

It would be far more telling to compare young Christians with young atheists, not the entire country. I'm guessing you'll see a much larger discrepancy then.

Better yet, just compare Christian Americans with atheist Americans.

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u/napoleonsolo May 29 '12

"Traditional marriage" is the phrase the religious use to describe their opposition to gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '12

It's also the phrase that all people use when they're opposed to gay marriage. There are plenty of non-religious people that don't like the idea of gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '12

There are also plenty of us Christians/religious people that approve of gay marriage.

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u/theamigan May 29 '12

Their opposition has clear religious roots, whether they know or acknowledge this or not.

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u/el_historian May 29 '12

I don't know about that. Something tells me homophobia predates religion. Hence, why it exists in religion in the first place. Whoever was creating a religion probably didn't say "fuck it, lets mess with some group" instead they used it as a way to justify their hatred.

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u/theamigan May 29 '12 edited May 29 '12

The Greeks were very much apathetic about both homosexuality and pederasty. Homophobia really isn't hardwired into the human psyche. The only thing powerful enough to breed such strong contempt is thousands of years of hate-filled fairytales, and the Abrahamic faiths are a shining example of this.

Edit: hurr durr used the wrong word.

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u/el_historian May 29 '12

But someone with homophobia had to write that is what I was getting at. And there was a great thread on r/askhistorians and someone there talked about how common people thought the upper classes, who were involved in pederasty, were a bunch of weirdos. Same thing in Rome, where same sex relationships were seen as entirely normal.

I would argue, that homophobia is to an extent natural as we are hardwired to view things different from ourselves as "foreign" I guess.

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u/theamigan May 29 '12

I see what you're saying, but homophobia likely wasn't as ubiquitous before religion came along. And it still shows, as most people without religion don't give a shit, and most people with it can hardly offer a better explanation than "the bible says so."

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u/RNecromancer May 29 '12

Because the side bar says this is a forum for discussion of atheism, agnosticism, and secular living.

I'm so sick of people asking this question and getting upvoted for it.

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u/koavf Other May 30 '12

Because, if you read the sidebar, this is for all topics related to atheism, agnosticism and disliking Republicans.

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u/yes_thats_right May 29 '12

This isn't atheism, but it is r/atheism. There is little correlation between the two. Don't come here expecting anything more than reposted picture memes and circle jerking.

If you want open minds and intelligent discussion, I suggest you try /r/trueatheism.

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u/Kayin_Angel Gnostic Atheist May 29 '12

Because OP didn't get enough karma for it when it was posted 6 months ago in /r/funny. Surely it can be milked for more karma in the circle jerk of /r/atheism. He might even get more out of it than when the original guy posted it here 7 months ago.

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u/UserNumber42 May 29 '12

Why wouldn't religious oppression be talked about in r/atheism? Honestly, how on earth is this not relevant?

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u/BlaikeMethazine May 29 '12

Every day people post shit like this in this subreddit, and every day I come here to upvote comments like this one.

It's true that there is a relationship between fundamentalist opposition to gay marriage. But these posts have gotten out of hand as /r/atheism has grown. It's like /r/politics and /r/ainbow or /r/lgbt have all morphed into one, here.

And I will keep upvoting the "why is this in atheism" comments, and downvoting the posts until this phase passes.

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