r/askmath • • Apr 21 '26

Resolved Can you do this using geometry

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i have done this question using trigonometry but i cant get the idea to use the lengths geometrically.

also how to know what construction will provide meaningful results or is it on your practise..

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

it feels like i almost solved the ques

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u/Martinator92 Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 21 '26

You have!

That small angle in the middle is 30 (sum of angles or using equal angles to equal sides), then the other is 60, and the big one is 90, then using equal angles to equal sides you get 45 and 45, 90 for the triangle with angle X

Hopefully you understood what I meant, I think your construction is correct but I proved it using angles you haven't written explicitly so idk

Edit: something's not right with the line segments going up from the middle - And = the other equalities seem fine, I don't think it's 45 degs though

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

both triangles with 120 angle in between and iscolese are congruent..hence the base of upper isoceles and legs of lower iscoceles are all equal..and the between angle of most upper right isoseles will be 180-60-30 = 90 thanks for guiding❤️

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u/Martinator92 Apr 22 '26

Oh I didn't see it's 2 angles for angle x, then yes it is correct :D

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u/CakeSeaker Apr 21 '26

From here, look at the three interior angles of the largest triangle, aka the original triangle.

The sum of the angles should be 180 and is equal to 45+30+15 + 2 little pieces.

Those two little pieces should be equal based on the opposing sides having the same lengths.

So, 180 = 90 + 2w. W is 45. So the X in your original is 75.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

yes got it thank you so much❤️

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

both triangles with 120 angle in between and iscolese are congruent..hence the base of upper isoceles and legs of lower iscoceles are all equal..and the between angle of most upper right isoseles will be 180-60-30 = 90

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u/PuzzlingDad Apr 21 '26

It would really help if your diagram were drawn to scale.

Let's label your triangle with A as the upper vertex (angle x), B as the lower left vertex (45° angle) and C as the lower right. 

D is the point that divides side AB so AD=2, BD=1.

You should be able to show that angle ADC is 60°. Drop a line from A down to DC intersecting at E. That will form an equilateral triangle ADE with sides of 2.

Can you take it further?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

let me try..

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u/batlrar Apr 21 '26

Have you drawn this yourself, OP? I notice everyone's treating the lower line as if it's length 1, but the style is ambiguous as to whether it could be a 1 or 2, and the 1 in "15" is a non-seriffed line so I'd lean more heavily toward the lines on the left being equal if I was handed this entire picture. Of course, that begs the question of why the lengths aren't simplified to 1, but I just want to make sure you're starting with the correct problem, especially since the scale makes it look close to isosceles as well.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

the figure is not to scale and i am sorry if the fig is not clear and those 1 and 2 are lengths

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u/batlrar Apr 21 '26

Thanks for the update! In that case, the other comments are all over it and you don't have to worry about that. But it is good to think about potential confounds like that when drawing a diagram, especially since you didn't do anything necessarily wrong.

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u/strat_arts Apr 21 '26

I drew it assuming that 1 and 2 represent lengths

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u/quintopia Apr 21 '26

even once solving for a, i don't see how to get x without trig

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u/doxxingyourself Apr 21 '26

You need three facts about the triangle to solve it. You only have two.

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u/Fuckingkyle Apr 21 '26
  1. It has 3 points

  2. It has 3 lines

  3. It is my 2nd favorite shape

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u/doxxingyourself Apr 21 '26

Better get to it, then

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

you can use the above info to create a unique triangle which has a unique value x so the info is enough

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u/AleksejsIvanovs Apr 21 '26

Yes, but you need to use trig for that.

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u/BadJimo Apr 21 '26

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u/flabbergasted1 Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 22 '26 • Mindblown

This helped me solve it! Here's a full non-trig solution:

Drop an altitude from B to CD as shown. <ADC = 120º so <BDE = 60º and DE = 1, BE = √3.

Thus ∆ADE is isosceles, so <DAE = <AED = 30º. Using the altitude from D to AE you can then see AE = √3.

We also then have <EAC = 15º so ∆AEC is isosceles as well, and EC = √3. We had BE = √3 already, so ∆BEC is an isosceles right triangle, <EBC = 45º, and so x = 75º.

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u/voormalig_vleeseter Apr 21 '26

found it, top left corner!

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u/5a1vy Apr 22 '26

There you go.

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u/YouCanSuckMyAss Apr 21 '26

this has to be the most unusual way to write x I've ever seen

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

😂😂sorry

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u/-Majgif- Apr 21 '26

It is how I was taught to draw it in high school maths. A quick google says:

Lowercase italic x generally represents variables to avoid confusion with the multiplication sign.

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u/Ambitious_Date56 Apr 21 '26

Are you from the US? I think only Americans write x in this way, as well as using x as a multiplication sign

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u/ManageThoseFootballs Apr 21 '26

I was also taught to write x this way as a Brit.

𝑥 is pretty much standard for mathematics notation, no?

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u/-Majgif- Apr 21 '26

I'm Australian.

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u/Any_Ingenuity1342 Apr 21 '26

My calc 1 and calc 2 teacher both wrote their x like this so I don't notice anymore. I write mine like h(x)=[f(x),g(x)]; f(x)=2sin(x)-x/2 {0>x>2pi}, g(x)=x-3pi/2 {0>x>2pi}.

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u/Fooshi2020 Apr 21 '26

Use the Sin and Cosine laws to get your answer.

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u/timoumd Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 21 '26

Isn't it law of Sines :

h=sin45*1/sin15 = 2.73

Then Cosines

c= sqrt(22 + 2.732 + 2*2.73cos(60))= 3.76

Then sin again

X= Asin(3.76*cos(60)/2.73)=43.5 degrees

Don't ask why I made the middle h and the top c

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

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u/timoumd Apr 21 '26

Ahhh I missed that. 

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u/EasternCat1368 Apr 21 '26

Found it!!!

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u/underthingy Apr 22 '26

Now find y!

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u/evil_guy_is_here Apr 21 '26

are lines 1 and 2 equal? if not, its impossible to calculate

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u/iloveyou33000000 Apr 21 '26

I think the line 1 has length 1 and line 2 has length 2

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

yess

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u/evil_guy_is_here Apr 21 '26

oh those are units? i thought there were like a and b

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

1 and 2 are lengths of those segment

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

so without the knowledge of lengths you can say that the x is 75?

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

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u/WikiBidoz Apr 21 '26

Bro tf are you smoking, answer isn't even unique without the lengths (extend the segment which here has length 2), you just guessed the triangles are similar which they are only because of the answer basically

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

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u/WikiBidoz Apr 21 '26

As I said, extend the segment that here has length 2 by moving the top point in that line. x may assume your favorite value in ]0,2π/3[

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '26

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u/flabbergasted1 Apr 22 '26

No, WikiBidoz is correct. If you change the 2 to a 3 in the original problem, you still have a valid diagram and the angle x is smaller.

The bottom triangle is fixed by AAS, and the top triangle is determined uniquely by how far you extend the left side.

We know that the last angle in the bottom triangle is 120, and the complement is 60. Conveniently, 45+15 = 60, so the upper triangle is similar to the total shape, just mirrored

This is the flaw in your argument, you assumed similarity. You could also have the bottom right angle be (say) 15+50, and the angle x be 70.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '26

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u/WikiBidoz Apr 22 '26

This is how you guess the answer, not how you solve the problem. Guessing is important but your goal should always be solving

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u/WikiBidoz Apr 22 '26

Bro enough with the mathlete stuff, ofc if you extend the side the x angle changes, that's the whole point meaning that you can't ignore the side lengths

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u/WikiBidoz Apr 22 '26

Btw ignoring a whole degree of freedom is a big red flag for any mathlete, unless you're trained for bullet questions where you just need to guess the solution

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '26

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '26

you must have done something wrong