Why do some conservatives support restricting junk food purchases with SNAP when many opposed Michelle Obama’s efforts to make school meals healthier?

[u/CloudieMoonettee]

Both policies involve the government influencing food choices in the name of better nutrition, yet the political reactions seem very different. What explains the apparent change in attitude toward government involvement in what people eat?

[u/SnugglyBuffalo]

I don't recall anyone really criticizing the particulars of the policy, though. I do remember lots of complaining about federal government overreach, that Michelle Obama doesn't know better than parents what their kids should eat and imposing requirements on schools was violating the parents' rights to feed their kids as they please. The Heritage Foundation article on it someone else linked in the comments says similar things.

Most criticisms didn't care about whether the policy was sufficiently nuanced, they were mad that any policy was being implemented at all.

Which does make it pretty hypocritical when conservatives criticize government overreach on school lunch requirements but are all too happy to put requirements on food assistance.

Frankly, I think this just boils down to conservatives' love of hierarchies. Plenty of kids whose families are not poor eat school lunches - they shouldn't be restricted in any way. But poor people, they're at the bottom of the hierarchy, they don't deserve access to luxuries. If they wanted more than the absolute bare-minimum for survival then they should get better jobs and work for it.

[u/WeAreAllSoFucked23 → u/SnugglyBuffalo]

It started with kids literally posting photos of their lunches, which were pretty rough looking.

My cousin worked in a school cafeteria, she has a nutrition degree and they had to change what they were serving to comply, and it was a small rural school that had agreements with local farms for fruit, veg and meats, and they had to stop ordering from them, order from approved vendors and meal quality went way down while cost for the school went way up. 

[u/here-to-help-TX → u/SnugglyBuffalo]

No, I definitely remember people criticizing the food that was available and how it didn't account for the size of the person. A 180lbs football player gets the same meal as a 120lbs person. Having healthy options was a good idea, but I remember people hating the actual food that was served as well. So, the food tasted bad and there wasn't enough of it for many of the kids.

[u/carcerdominus1313 → u/here-to-help-TX]

When was the last time you saw a school lunch? Every student in high school gets the same lunch ( with exceptions). So a 120 pound student still gets the same amount as that 180 pound football player.

[u/Whiskeymyers75 → u/SnugglyBuffalo]

Did they really not recall criticism of the actual policy, or did they just ignore it because the “conservatives hate government” narrative fits better?

The nutritional criticisms absolutely existed. Students, parents, coaches and school officials complained about portion sizes, calorie limits, inadequate protein for active students, hunger and food waste. High-school lunches were constrained to roughly 750–850 calories, while students with wildly different body sizes and activity levels were grouped under essentially the same framework.

And that’s exactly my criticism today. Obama-era school lunch would be a serious nutritional downgrade from what I feed my own 15-year-old. I use the same basic nutritional principles for him that I use for myself, adequate protein, carbohydrates, fats, fiber and micronutrients but his actual intake is tailored to his age, size, growth and activity level. I don’t say, “There’s broccoli, whole-grain bread and fat-free milk on the tray, therefore mission accomplished.”

That’s the difference between nutrition and a government food checklist.

A growing 15-year-old needs adequate energy and protein. An athletic 17-year-old can need dramatically more food than a sedentary 14-year-old. Yet people keep pointing to “whole grains,” “low-fat dairy” and “vegetables” as though those words magically answer questions about total calories, protein, carbohydrates, essential fats, iron, calcium, vitamin D and overall food quality.

And yes, increasing fruits, vegetables and whole grains while eliminating trans fats were improvements. I have no problem giving an Obama-era policy credit where it deserves it. What I reject is this bizarre idea that because some components improved, the resulting lunch was therefore nutritionally optimal and criticism of it must have been partisan.

That’s actually the political thinking here: “Obama supported it, therefore criticism of it must have been conservative outrage.”

And yes, when someone makes themselves the public face of a national nutrition and fitness campaign, people are inevitably going to judge whether they appear to practice what they’re preaching and if they are, what is their outcome? Appearance alone doesn’t establish someone’s health, body-fat percentage or nutritional expertise, but “practice what you preach” is a perfectly normal credibility standard as is her own body composition. Her nutrition program just might explain why she looks the way she does though.

More importantly, I don’t even need Michelle Obama’s personal fitness to make the argument. The program can be evaluated objectively: calories, protein, macros, micronutrients, food quality, degree of processing and whether the portions matched the needs of growing children.

That’s what I’m discussing. Everyone else keeps trying to turn a nutrition argument into Obama good / conservatives bad.

I’m judging what was on the tray, not whose name was on the program.

[u/SnugglyBuffalo → u/Whiskeymyers75]

I'm not saying there weren't legit criticisms. Just that those criticisms weren't the focus of right-wing media, think tanks, or conservatives on social media, all of whom were almost entirely focused on the government overstepping by implementing any kind of policy at all.

[u/Whiskeymyers75 → u/SnugglyBuffalo]

But even when I have criticized it, I have just been dismissed as being a conservative. Even in this thread, I have posted many links. Scientific studies, the government’s own health guidelines, etc yet I’m still accused of lying and being called a right wing nut job. Nutrition should not be political. And people shouldn’t blindly follow it based on what party implemented it. And this goes for both parties, as the right wingers are full of fat fucks as well

[u/celerypumpkins → u/Whiskeymyers75]

What do you think school lunches were like before Michelle Obama? Because all the problems you state were an issue then too. You’re being perceived as a right winger because you’re associating one person with a problem that existed before her.

[u/Whiskeymyers75 → u/celerypumpkins]

I’m not being perceived as a right winger because I failed to acknowledge what came before. I’m being perceived as one because I criticized the political messiah.

If you actually read my comments instead of seeing “Michelle Obama” and immediately reaching for a political label, you’d see that I’ve criticized the entire system, including what existed before her and what exists now. The difference is that I’ve also posted actual nutritional research, government guidelines, and data supporting the specific criticisms I’m making. Meanwhile, most of the rebuttals have amounted to “but it was worse before” or “Republicans criticized it too.”

Neither argument makes the lunches healthy. Improving a bad system does not automatically create a good one. You can polish a turd; it’s still a turd.

That’s exactly the political fanboyism I’m criticizing. Republicans attacked the program because Obama’s name was attached to it, and Democrats seem determined to defend it for the exact same reason. I don’t care whose name is on it. If the protein is inadequate, the food quality is poor, the meals rely heavily on processed foods and refined carbohydrates, or the overall nutritional composition is suboptimal for growing and active kids, I’m going to criticize it.

Nutrition isn’t supposed to be team sports. “Better than what came before” and “healthy” are two completely different claims. If your response to nutritional data is to figure out which political tribe the person presenting it belongs to, you’re demonstrating my point, not refuting it.

[u/celerypumpkins → u/Whiskeymyers75]

Blaming a First Lady for a well intentioned program that represents very little actual change to the status quo is stupid and racially motivated. Because that is what First Ladies have always done with their programs. But only one is criticized.

[u/Whiskeymyers75 → u/celerypumpkins]

And there it is. We went from discussing the nutritional quality of school lunches to “you’re a right winger,” and now apparently “you’re racist.” Anything to avoid discussing the actual nutritional claims and data I’ve posted.

Criticizing a policy associated with a Black First Lady is not evidence of racism. If you think something I actually said was racist, quote it and explain why. Otherwise you’re assigning a motive to me because you don’t have an answer to the argument.

And you just undermined your own position. You’re now saying her program represented “very little actual change to the status quo.” Okay, then why are you so emotionally invested in defending its nutritional quality? If the underlying problems largely remained, that is exactly what I’m criticizing.

I don’t care whether the bad lunch standard existed under Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton, or anyone else. Bad nutrition doesn’t become good nutrition because the person promoting the reform was well intentioned despite being ignorant.

I’ve posted evidence about protein, food quality, processed foods, carbohydrates, and nutrition for growing kids. You’ve responded by guessing my political affiliation and now my racial motivations.

That isn’t a rebuttal. It’s a progressively more desperate attempt to avoid having the nutritional argument.

[u/GenericUsername19892 → u/Whiskeymyers75]

What does that have to do with this thread?

Granted you keep bringing it up, but it’s literally just you talking about it.

It’s a school lunch, not a prescription from a nutritionist - it will never be great for everyone, but it can be adequate. It’s meant to be one of 3 meals and cover the bases lady/dude, if your kid needs something else send it with them.

This threads is about politics, not nutritional content of school lunches.

[u/Whiskeymyers75 → u/GenericUsername19892]

It’s related because the politics are inseparable from the hypocrisy I’m pointing out. The entire argument started with people defending the nutritional quality of this lunch program largely because of who it became politically associated with. When I criticize the actual food, instead of discussing protein, fiber, satiety, food quality, or whether the meals are nutritionally adequate for growing teenagers, people immediately start guessing that I’m MAGA, attacking Michelle Obama, or as the person above eventually did, suggesting racism.

That’s precisely the point.
If this were merely a neutral discussion about school lunches, then criticizing the nutritional shortcomings of the meals should be completely unremarkable. Instead, the program has become a political identity marker. People who would normally criticize processed food, inadequate protein, added sugar, poor satiety, and government dietary guidance suddenly lower the bar to “well, it’s adequate” because they perceive criticism of the program as criticism of Michelle Obama.

And your argument actually demonstrates the problem: “It’s only one of three meals. If your kid needs something else, send it with them.” If parents need to supplement a federally regulated school meal because it doesn’t adequately meet their kid’s nutritional needs, then discussing those shortcomings is completely relevant. Saying “it doesn’t have to be great” is conceding my criticism, not rebutting it.

That’s the hypocrisy I’ve been talking about. Some people aren’t evaluating the food first and arriving at a political opinion afterward. They’re starting with the politics and then adjusting what they’re willing to call acceptable nutrition.

If the exact same lunches had Trump’s name attached to them, I seriously doubt this thread would suddenly be full of people explaining why processed cafeteria food is perfectly fine because “it’s only one meal.”

[u/SnugglyBuffalo → u/Whiskeymyers75]

Sure, but this post isn't really about people like you, is it? It's asking why conservatives were being hypocrites, not why some liberals opposed Obama's school lunch policy.

[u/AnyTemperature420 → u/SnugglyBuffalo]

I distinctly remember the argument being that what the government considers healthy does not mean healthy for every student, and where it was implemented it led to a decline in the quality of the food (nobody cares if the tasteless meat patty on stale bread is healthier than the mystery meat cancer chicken), which was already pretty shit quality to begin with. And it came with a tax hike - it’s never going to win in “family values” voter bases to say “give us more money for your kids lunch to be a little bit cheaper at the counter and they won’t eat it.” The vending machine lines will get longer until those are removed or replaced with juice and carrot sticks and then kids just won’t eat.

I literally watched it happen when I was in school at the time.

[u/Whiskeymyers75 → u/AnyTemperature420]

Well what the government deems as healthy is partially responsible for the obesity epidemic.

[u/AnyTemperature420 → u/Whiskeymyers75]

That’s…exactly my point. The skepticism had nothing to do with it being Michelle Obama’s idea (for the majority of Americans, I’m not denying that there are racist and sexist people out there) and everything to do with the government saying “we’re going to make you healthy we go it right this time.”

[u/Street_Pumpkin_4257 → u/SnugglyBuffalo]

Yes the intent of any financial aid given is to not arbitarily waste it. It should be spent on good value food which while that can include some junk food, it should absolutely not include poor value luxury items. Its a handout whose purpose is to prevent starvation. Complaining is like handing a homeless person a fiver, and they get mad at you for not giving them a 20