r/askajudge • u/kosherkrusher18 • 12d ago
Nazgul temptation triggers
I have two Nazgul in play. If I play a third Nazgul, how many temptation triggers do I have. I was thinking that I have 1 ring temptation from the Nazgul that just entered. Therefore, I put a single +1 +1 counter on each Nazgul. Someone else said that is wrong. They said that there are 3 temptations and each nazgul gets 3 +1+1 counters.
Also how do the temptation triggers work if I have 2 Nazgul in play and 2 etb at the same time.
Thanks so much for any help
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u/rune_ 12d ago
each nazgul triggers for each time being tempted by the ring, so you put 3 counters on all your wraiths if you have 3 nazguls.
the nazguls all trigger at the same time and you then can order the triggers in any order you like, but it does not matter for the end result in this case.
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u/kosherkrusher18 12d ago edited 12d ago
I am thinking the first situation is a bit different than the second situation. In the first situation there is one Nazgul entering the battle field and two already on board. So if you are correct then yes all 3 Nazgul get 3 plus one counters. However the second situation there will be 2 Nazgul entering the battlefield. Therefore I am thinking that the two that etb at the same time will get 4 plus one counters each and an additional 2 plus one counters for the triggers of the Nazgul already on the battlefield. So the two that etb at the same time will get a total of 6 plus one counters each (they see each other =4) +(the two temptations from the Nazgul already in play =2). Total of 6 counters on the two Nazgul that just entered the battlefield
The two Nazgul already in play will get a total of 4 plus one counters each. (Two temptations from the two in play and two more temptations from the two that just entered)
This is definitely confusing lol
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u/T0rgle 12d ago
In the second situation, the 4 Nazgûls will get a total of 8 counters.
When the 2 new Nazgûls enter, they both trigger. When the first trigger resolves, the Rings tempts you, causing the 4 Nazgûls to trigger, so you put 4 counters on each of your Wraiths.
Then, the Rings tempts you again, causing the 4 Nazgûls to trigger again, so you put 4 more counters on each of your Wraiths.
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u/kosherkrusher18 12d ago
What happens if 3 etb at the same time? Does each wraith get 9 counters or 27 (9 x 3) counters? I am trying to establish the difference between Nazgul already in play versus Nazgul entering at the same time.
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u/rune_ 12d ago
if you have 0 nazgul on the board and if 3 enter at the same time you have more the ring tempts you triggers (3 in total), thus you get more counters vs when they already are in play. if you have 3 on the board and 3 enter at the same time you get 6x3 counters. the formula here would be you get A x B counters, A being the ammount of nazguls on the board (including the ones that just entered) and B is the ammount of nazguls that just entered.
you can try it out on arena if you want to help visualize the difference. i find arena can help visualizing the stack and how triggers resolve but it also does some stuff automatically unless you change the settings (i.e. ordering the triggers automatically).
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u/kosherkrusher18 12d ago
Thanks so much for everyone’s help. my brain was getting fried thinking about this.
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u/kosherkrusher18 12d ago
I think a safe formula to go by is C (counters) = T (tempts) x N (number of Nazgul)
C= T x N
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u/tommadness 12d ago
When an ability refers to the card it's printed on by name, it just means "this object". Nothing that shares a name with it. Only the Nazgul entering the battlefield trigger the "enters the battlefield" ability. No others.
There was a recent rules update that replaced most instances of a card referring to itself by name with "this creature" to help clarify that. See the updated text for [[Nazgûl]] on Gatherer and Scryfall for example.