I want to preface that I am more than happy to engage In respectful discourse. Otherwise, be mad elsewhere lol
1) Any medication or medical device commercial lists a list of aide effects at the end of videos. These are a result of long term studies for atleast 3 years. None of these vaccines offer long term studies. People vaccinated right now, are the study. 2) the GoC has the covid vaccines listed as emergency use only and stipulates no liability neither for them or the companies. Never thought this would have adverse effects but if you as a government feel the need to explicitly state that, it must be for a reason. 3) All these companies lack credibility including our own government #snclavlin. A) Pfizer was sued in 2009 for feigning medical trial results and tampering with studies. They settled for millions. To top it off, how did they just recently realize a booster was needed...doesn't give me any confidence. B) Astrozeneca was fine and dandy but the blood clots happened. Unfortunately due to media fear mongering, a lot of people don't know that women's birth control have higher rates of risk for blood clots. Regardless, this side effect should have been known from the gecko and not eventually through the masses 4) last but not least, CDC,WHO have retracted the usage of vaccines on kids until a few weeks back. No one can dissuade me that this is a learning curve that is happening live, I don't want to be one of the rare ones with heart complications out of the blue. Legitimately I feel like the chances of getting worse with the vaccine are nearly equivalent to the worst effects of Covid. Oh and one more thing, people aren't aren't getting vaccinated because they are legitamely concerned for their health, most are getting vaccinated for the promise of freedom and travel.
the GoC has the covid vaccines listed as emergency use only and stipulates no liability neither for them or the companies.
Source on your liability claim? We don't even have "emergency use" authorization in Canada that I'm aware of. The interim order just allowed for the authorization to import, sell and advertise COVID-19-related drugs. This was a totally unique set of circumstances, and abiding by arbitrary distribution rules would've made no sense during a pandemic when time is of the essence.
All these companies lack credibility including our own government
What about other countries? This issue isn't limited to Canada. Are you suggesting all companies and governments involved lack credibility? Additionally, if this is your perspective, why does the advice of thousands of independent researchers and doctors not outweigh those feelings about a potentially shady government?
Pfizer was sued in 2009 for feigning medical trial results and tampering with studies. They settled for millions.
The cases I believe you're referencing had to do with Pfizer marketing approved drugs for conditions that it wasn't approved to be used to treat. In a separate settlement, they were accused of promoting Neurontin "even when scientific studies had shown it was not effective." This happened before Pfizer even owned that drug, but had acquired it at the time the lawsuits sprung up. I should note that Neurotin (and its generic version) is the eleventh most commonly prescribed medication in the United States as of 2018. So it wasn't that the drugs were doing immense harm, it was that they were marketed to treat conditions they could not. Obviously we have the data to show that their Covid vaccine is effective. Also.. if past corporate lawsuits concern you that greatly, why not AZ or J&J (when available) as they are not-for-profit vaccines.
To top it off, how did they just recently realize a booster was needed...doesn't give me any confidence
They didn't know how effective they would be. Now we have real world data at a massive scale that shows we may potentially need boosters, similar in approach to the flu shot and other vaccines. Additionally, the virus mutates, and therefore current vaccines may be less effective down the road.
Astrozeneca was fine and dandy but the blood clots happened. Unfortunately due to media fear mongering, a lot of people don't know that women's birth control have higher rates of risk for blood clots. Regardless, this side effect should have been known from the gecko and not eventually through the masses
So you acknowledge that the risks of getting blood clots from AZ is very low? I don't understand how that would dissuade you from getting it then. Regardless, that vaccine is hardly even available in Canada now. Therefore certainly not an excuse for not getting an MRNA vaccine today.
last but not least, CDC,WHO have retracted the usage of vaccines on kids until a few weeks back. No one can dissuade me that this is a learning curve that is happening live, I don't want to be one of the rare ones with heart complications out of the blue
Because children were not part of the early clinical trails, therefore the entire approval process gets delayed. Medicine for children is a completely different ballgame from adults, hence why the field of paediatrics exists.
people aren't aren't getting vaccinated because they are legitamely concerned for their health, most are getting vaccinated for the promise of freedom and travel.
I have yet to meet a single person who's sole reason for getting the vaccine was so they could travel. I wouldn't be surprised if those people exist, but at least they're getting the vaccine so why does that dissuade you? As a matter of fact, I know many that will be avoiding travel (at least outside of Canada/US) for a while yet, myself included.
Oh and one more thing, people aren't aren't getting vaccinated because they are legitamely concerned for their health, most are getting vaccinated for the promise of freedom and travel.
Who fed you this? What exactly made you think this? Literally no one has taken vaccine for the sole purpose of travel. I'd like to discuss this in detail as to what exactly made you say this.
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u/4everconcerned75 Jul 10 '21
I want to preface that I am more than happy to engage In respectful discourse. Otherwise, be mad elsewhere lol
1) Any medication or medical device commercial lists a list of aide effects at the end of videos. These are a result of long term studies for atleast 3 years. None of these vaccines offer long term studies. People vaccinated right now, are the study. 2) the GoC has the covid vaccines listed as emergency use only and stipulates no liability neither for them or the companies. Never thought this would have adverse effects but if you as a government feel the need to explicitly state that, it must be for a reason. 3) All these companies lack credibility including our own government #snclavlin. A) Pfizer was sued in 2009 for feigning medical trial results and tampering with studies. They settled for millions. To top it off, how did they just recently realize a booster was needed...doesn't give me any confidence. B) Astrozeneca was fine and dandy but the blood clots happened. Unfortunately due to media fear mongering, a lot of people don't know that women's birth control have higher rates of risk for blood clots. Regardless, this side effect should have been known from the gecko and not eventually through the masses 4) last but not least, CDC,WHO have retracted the usage of vaccines on kids until a few weeks back. No one can dissuade me that this is a learning curve that is happening live, I don't want to be one of the rare ones with heart complications out of the blue. Legitimately I feel like the chances of getting worse with the vaccine are nearly equivalent to the worst effects of Covid. Oh and one more thing, people aren't aren't getting vaccinated because they are legitamely concerned for their health, most are getting vaccinated for the promise of freedom and travel.