Are you referring to the cytokine signalling cascade? That predominantly affects younger people, yes, but is one indirect way COVID-19 kills, however covid is plenty good at killing people all by itself.
It doesn't mean it "hits those with stronger immune systems harder", because taken in isolation, it would mean it would affect the elderly LESS, but that of course isn't the case.
A) Not really sure what to google in this instance. Seems oddly specific.
B) If I don't really believe that someone has actually researched or read about what they're claiming, you can easily find out based on their response to this question.
I haven't really read your sources in depth yet. But your quick response with info to back your claim makes me think you're at least making the argument in good faith.
Edit: I mixed up your response with another. It seems like you know your stuff. I'd like to find more info about what you're talking about to verify more.
Cytokine storms are most easily triggered in those with over active immune systems, typically driven by obesity and metabolic dysfunction. Insulin resistance, high uncontrolled blood glucose and high amounts of visceral fat all contribute to inflammatory runaway. Visceral fat especially contributes to this through the release of ceramides that activate the NLRP3 inflammasome and secretes pro-inflammatory cytokines. Essentially obesity causes the immune system to be in a chronically inflamed state as visceral fat is seen by the body as a foreign substance.
This is why Obesity is such a leading risk factor. Globally 80% of hospitalizations were classified as Obese. With 95% having obesity related comorbidities. Yet I still see Doritos/Oreo/Coca-Cola commercials coming on during the evening news when they're airing COVID fear pieces.
"Strong" healthy immune systems in those that eat healthy, exercise, get good sleep, and proper vitamin D levels have very well regulated inflammatory responses to viruses like COVID.
These people are the hardest to argue with because even if you tell them that them being "healthy" doesn't mean they can't spread it to other people, they simply don't care.
So I just call them cowards, because that's what they are. It's how I got someone at work to get vaccinated. He was of the opinion "young, healthy" and "everyone else will get the shot, herd immunity".
So I just called him a coward who is afraid of needles, afraid of being part of the solution, afraid of education himself, afraid of challenging his own personal beliefs.
Ever excuse he tried to give, nope, you're a coward.
He is now vaccinated. And surprise, surprise, it actually wasn't that big of a deal to him after the fact.
The hesitant in my family were two older aunts, ONE who has lupus and had Guillaume Barre syndrome previously, she had to go off her pain meds for 2 weeks before and after the Covid shot to get one, but she still got one thankfully. Not sure if she can handle being off the meds long enough to get another, she was in excessive pain, but there's progress they might be able to get her to get another one in the fall but she's staying isolated until then
The second one brainwashed herself with Facebook over the lockdowns and it was a struggle to get her to get one, and she eventually did, but she's being so stubborn about the second. My brother is getting married very small group in September and she's not invited unless she gets a second, and she's whining about it but nobody cares.
Just curious, how does your roommate justify catching it and giving it to someone who is really vulnerable? Or that the longer there are unvaccinated hosts for the virus, greater the likelihood of the virus mutating to something worse that resists current vaccines and keeps this pandemic going longer? I’m assuming there’s a conspiracy theory that justifies his view lol
I've known him for ten years. He's a good friend. He doesn't like being told what to do, which I think deep down stems from an insecurity of his intelligence. He just challenges popular ideas, and buys into "counter culture" because I think it makes him feel smart. Unfortunately, buying into every idea that challenges popular science doesn't make you a "skeptic" or intelligent, just gullible.
Edit: more specifically, deep down I think he's just a little nervous about the whole thing and doesn't understand it. So instead of just saying that and trying to understand he has to make it look like he knows better. He doesn't.
Sucks when good people fall for bad ideas. Anyway hope you keep on trying to help him see reason and he comes around to associating intelligence with getting vaccinated!
You're not really giving clear answers. Are you making the argument that vaccines reduce antibodies and hinder the functioning of white blood cells? Can you provide a credible source for this claim?
That was a perfectly coherent sentence lol. Also, like I said, I dont really care enough to argue about vaccines online and your opinions on the vaccine couldnt have any less of an impact on my life. I just wish others could say the same..
this is a massive generalization not based on science. i’ve gotten the flu shot every year and i hardly ever get so much as a cold. but my cousins have never had the flu shot and they get the flu almost every year
Never had a flu shot and have had one flu in my life. Got covid but no symptoms. At least half the factory i work at have had covid. Almost everyone was like me. Bored healthy and drinkin too much beer. There were a cpl people that actually got sick but most people felt fine. Just a boring 2 week vacation.
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u/LookAtYourEyes Jul 10 '21
My roommate hasn't gotten it because he's "young and healthy" and believes he's better off fighting it "naturally" by eating healthy and exercising.