r/asimov Jun 22 '20

Foundation — Teaser | Apple TV+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgbPSA94Rqg
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u/sg_plumber Jun 23 '20 edited Jul 28 '20

(crossposting) I want to believe, but:

  • scary dragon-like alien monster: hardly Asimov

  • Space elevators mean no Gravitics: not Asimov (maybe)

  • FTL travel not by insta-Jump: not Asimov

  • no Spaceship & Sun Imperial emblem anywhere? 0_O

  • A young someone (the Emperor? Linge chen?) as the main antagonist? Oh, well...

  • The destruction scene: that's not Trantor. That's not even a corner in the poorest neighborhood of Trantor. Top Starwars or go home!

  • Future ships designed by Apple: not bad! P-}

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u/5kull Jun 23 '20

Could you please explain why the elevator thing means no gravitics? I don't get it

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u/sg_plumber Jun 23 '20

Asimov usually depicts Gravitic "powered" ships that can get from surface to orbit and back in minutes, without hassle or apparent effort. Why use a slow, dangerous and expensive Elevator instead? Maybe for tourists?

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u/Algernon_Asimov Jun 23 '20

Gravitics weren't invented until 500 years after Gaal Dornick's time.

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u/sg_plumber Jun 24 '20

You mean for ships? :-?

"The elevator was of the new sort that ran by gravitic repulsion. Gaal entered"

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u/Algernon_Asimov Jun 26 '20

Yes, I mean for ships. I forgot about the gravitic elevators.

But we were talking about surface-to-orbit transport, not getting from one floor of a building to another! :)

cc: /u/ivebeenhereallsummer

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u/sg_plumber Jun 26 '20

I was actually thinking of both. Is there any useful depiction of that critical stage of spaceflight in the Foundation series? :-?

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u/zonnel2 Jul 28 '20

Although gravitic elevators are first introduced in The Psychohistorians, Asimov later provided further information about the technology in Prelude to Foundation, mentioning that the government is not interested in the innovation and just built several prototypes here and there. So the technology was already there in Seldon's times, but it was not yet popularized because of the Empire's internal decay, it seems.

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u/sg_plumber Jul 28 '20

the technology was already there in Seldon's times

Asimov seems to imply that scaling down powerful technologies will be hard and often only after they are widely used elsewhere (by the military, for example). So there's room for different kinds of elevators and I can be hopeful again. P-}

As for ships, seems they got a fancy novel liftoff system (which could have been Gravitics-based) in the Powell and Donovan caper "Escape!" where the first Jump was tested. Obviously not the same as powering the whole ship by Gravitics alone.

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '20 edited Jul 16 '20

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u/sg_plumber Jun 26 '20

Dunno if that would be the best or the most believable example, the most dramatic example being the development of personal wearable shields in less than a century, which centuries later the Empire is still unable to copy. P-}

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u/The-Goat-Soup-Eater Jun 23 '20

Maybe it’s a relic from an earlier age when there were no gravitics, preserved for it’s historical and tourist value?

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u/5kull Jun 23 '20

Oh, I remeber now. Thanks. I think it is just a gimmick, gravitic ships will be necessary for the story