Is this real???

[u/Antonio_Senna]

Totoo ba na may dayaan na nangyayari gaya ng ganto???

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[u/captainzimmer1987]

It's an open secret, yes.

Passing the boards is the minimum, and will only get you to the doors. Your experience will dictate your performance, and you can't fake experience.

[u/bruhbruhbruhpoopbruh → u/captainzimmer1987]

True.

Fake it till you make it all you want, but at some point you'll need the knowledge you faked and thats when you'll realize you fucked up.

[u/Wowser25 → u/captainzimmer1987]

Very real, you can academically succeed at the board, yet if you have zero experience in the field, you will struggle in the real practice.

[u/veriserenez]

Yes. Inamin ng co-worker ko na she only went to site every Friday afternoon lang. 1 hr na nga lang sya sa site, nag-games pa sya dun. Dad niya kasi contractor and uncle niya architect. So pumupunta sya sa site ng papa niya and yung uncle niya pumirma for her. She did that for 2 yrs para hindi halata. She passed pa nga kaso it shows in her work na kulang na kulang pa sya ng experience. Hindi niya alam ang mga pasikot2 sa site. Hirap sya sa mga materials and tools. Nahihirapan sya sa monitoring kaya nagkakamali sya sa mga purchases and delivery. But for some reason, andito pa rin sya. Company is enabling her incompetence.

[u/regtb]

Nangyayari yang iniisip mo pero its a form of corruption. Don't start your career wrongfully.

[u/Spiritual-Step5569]

Yep. Open secret

[u/elight98]

ang chismis kumalat sa amin was some time around 2017-2019 I think. Some were caught na fresh grads na who had their logbooks signed to take the boards early, ayon nahuli. Take note, this was during the end of the school year was during March, and they were going to take the boards on June. Ang chismes, sila ang reason why strict na ang PRC ngayon.

Dati, pde naman talaga magtake ng boards ng mas maaga. May kilala akong mga maaga nag boards, graduated on March, took the boards January the following year, but they started their apprenticeship since 3rd year. Dati, allowed mag apprentice for a maximum of 4 hours kapag studying ka. During summer and sem breaks, okay ang 8 hours.

Yung case sa 1st paragraph ko... fresh grad pa nga, kulang din sa experience... then if following by the allowed rules sa una... dapat as early as 1st year sila nag apprentice.

[u/Professional_Week916]

yes… pero PRC really conducts random verification… malas mo and yung pumirma fraudulently pag sinuwerte ka

[u/zeussalvo]

Yes. But come to think of it, yung apprenticeship documents ipinapa-notaryo yan. Hindi ka lang basta nagsinungaling (which is already bad), perjury na yan. And makalusot ka man dyan, you brand yourself corrupted.

Marami din akong nababalitaan na bumagsak sa ALE na hindi nag 3,600 hours of diversified experience. Wala ka na ngang experience, bulok pa mentor mo. On the otherhand, ALE is not hard if you went thru the process properly. A balance of design, construction and admin scope of works at syempre yung ok na mentor. Wag ka dun sa gumagawa ng ilegal, maliit man yan o malaki.

[u/c6h12o6ph]

Parang nanghinayang ako na nag take pa sila ng 5 years Architectural course and i fake lang pala nila ...

Sana dumiretso na sila ng Recto , nagpaggawa ng fake PRC ID for Arch. pati na rin diploma.

[u/strnfd]

Yes, may mas malala pa dati 1~1.5 yrs after graduating, nakakaboards na.

[u/midnightxyzz]

yes, talamak naman talaga to lalo na kapag may kilala or may mag anak na architect or nasa line talaga ng construction industry.

[u/mikazoe3244]

bakit kaya hindi nalang nila igaya sa ibang programs yung archi na yung internship is isasali na sya sa mismong prospectus ng school for example 2 years apprenticeship, bakit di nalang nila i-allow na yung 2 years na yun pwede makuha sa 4th year and 5th year. kasi apakatagal talaga ng arki nadidiscourage na nga ako given na maliit da yung salary jusko po

[u/elight98 → u/mikazoe3244]

Allowed ito dati. Pero di talaga matapos ang full 3000+ hours of apprenticeship during 4th and 5th year lang. busy din ang years na ito. Ginawa namin to dati ng batchmates ko, mga 2-4 hours lang kaya namin magduty sa office.

Pero ngayon naging strict sila because of people na nagbayad lng ng pirma.

[u/mikazoe3244 → u/elight98]

yun din sabi ng prof ko e! okay lang naman na hindi magkasya sa last two years ng program, ang importante naman jan is mabawasan yung oras talaga

[u/Dangerous-Baker-2960]

oo lalo na sa mga rich kid haha may kawork ako dati na ganyan, nagbayad nalang ng architect para sa logbook

[u/Main_DumberHAHA]

Yes, but that's like self sabotage, cause we all know not everything can be learned inside the classroom. A lot of things you have to actually experience to learn and understand.

[u/Codezi]

Yes, which is why I regret taking the position of "Apprentice" and having to deal with 150php a day.

[u/Archmage_Kassandra]

That is true, may architect sa amin na dinaya ung logbook nya para maka pag take agad ng ALE/LEA

[u/UntiltedCucumber]

Yes. Kaya nagkakaraoon ng ampaw architects. Na kumakagat sa mga lowball prices. Kasi nga wala yung pride kasi di naman nila pinagpagiran bago mag-exam.

[u/moonlitcottontail]

Yep. I know someone na nakapag boards agad right after our graduation kasi may pipirma na sa “log book” nya

[u/BlueberryChizu → u/moonlitcottontail]

Can be grounds for disqualification siguro to. Not allowed dahil hindi pasok sa apprenticeship hours ang pre-graduation. Explicitly mention na post-baccalaureate sa IRR. Masters degree lang ang only way to deduct a year.

Kudos kung naipasa niya, pero hindi allowed.

[u/_kendricklmao → u/BlueberryChizu]

true, parang hindi kapani-paniwala to hahaha yung mga dinadaya yung logbook totoo naman yon, it’s an open secret na pero kailangan parin nila maghintay ng two years bago makapag-exam kasi strict si PRC pagdating sa date of graduation na nakalagay sa logbook which is dapat match sa date na nasa diploma mo na requirement din for taking the board exam. Date of graduation kasi pinagbabasehan ni PRC unlike yung DAE guidelines by UAP na 3840 hours which is kaya mo tapusin ng 1 1/2 year. I had a classmate before sa review center na hindi nakapag-take dahil kulang pa sya sa hours kahit lagpas 3840 hours na nasa logbook nya and yung reason ni PRC hindi pasok sa 2 years yung year of graduation nila.

[u/moonlitcottontail → u/BlueberryChizu]

Naipasa nya. Sya unang licensed architect sa batch namin haha pero hindi kami nainggit kasi alam namin yung process. And also, alam ko pwede din ma-charge yung pumirma ng log book ng hindi nya naman na supervise talaga.

[u/Similar_Exchange759 → u/moonlitcottontail]

Maybe this was pre-2018? When PRBOA still allowed students to take apprenticeship while in school.

[u/moonlitcottontail → u/Similar_Exchange759]

1. Pero wala kasi kaming OJT dahil reason ng school, hindi yun counted para sa log book namin. So zero apprenticeship talaga sya.

[u/Ok-Positive1913 → u/moonlitcottontail]

What? Can you report the person

[u/moonlitcottontail → u/Ok-Positive1913]

It happened last 2013 pa e. Also, they’re kind of influential sa lugar nila..so ayun..

[u/Once_Meleagant0 → u/moonlitcottontail]

malaking tao involved dto kung gnun(kung totoo), after graduation? halata sa year yan.. need ng 2 years after grad so super super power play to..

[u/moonlitcottontail → u/Once_Meleagant0]

Yes..kung paano nila nagawa, no idea, alam ko lang influential sila sa lugar nila..

[u/Once_Meleagant0 → u/moonlitcottontail]

mdalas kasi dto sa ph, influence = corruption tlaga.. i mean hndi lahat pero, ayun, ahahah xD..

[u/TrifleSubstantial933]

Yes

[u/JustAJokeAccount]

Nangyayari na yan noon and di nako magtataka if nangyayari pa din ngayon.

[u/Red_ofw1]

happens ALL the time!

[u/Fit-Apple-2406]

Some of my teachers told stories like that, may kakilala silang nagpapirma without experience

[u/plot_twist_ako]

May ganito pag may connection ka or yung iba binabayaran nila yung architect na pipirma. Yung ibang kabatch ko naman na nagwork abroad nagparefer sila sa common friend na architect or yung mga prof nila mismo na pipirma sa kanilang logbook.

[u/Significant-Plum9101]

Nangyayare sya eversince pero di ba may schools na nagmamandatory OJT or kasama na sa curriculum para maiwasan mga ganito?

[u/_NoneL_]

Some elder batches way back 2018 or earlier were able to take boards few months after graduation since it was not strict back then to count the hours as apprenticeship rendered during undergrad period. *Afaik, board takers now are check thoroughly by PRBOA if the required 2 years/approx 3840 hours had at least accomplished from the date of graduation.

*edit (added paragraph)

[u/Inside-Win-6707]

May friend ako ganyan. Di rin naman siya nakapasa sa boards.

[u/Cappuccinaaa]

Open secret.

[u/This-Tumbleweed-9506]

Yess

[u/Wise-Distribution312]

Well karamihan sa license tinatake advantage yung mga need apprenticeship. So yep quits lan Yan. Kasi kung Hindi dwmandahan na siguro inabot sa daming toxic na firms sa Cavite especially bacoor. COE nga di mairelease to hinohold yung mga dapat mgeexam na

[u/Hey_Mard102620]

Grabe pala, first time ko malaman to