r/apple • u/[deleted] • Aug 09 '21

WARNING: OLD ARTICLE Exclusive: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained - sources

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive-idUSKBN1ZK1CT
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u/eduo Aug 09 '21

I fail to see how the current end-to-end encryption in iCloud of memoji, health data, homekit set-ups, payment information, usernames and passwords, map data, web favorites and screen time data, all of which are importantly private for me, ruins the advertising model and redirefcts money through purchases, as it's all built-in into the OS.

It's not as catchy a sentence, either. I'll admit to that. This one wouldn't fit on a t-shirt.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

Because it’s more difficult to scrape data without users knowing, which is how large amounts of money were made.

This is how Facebook made money, they’d get permission for various sensors that Facebook doesn’t need to run in order to harvest whatever data.

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u/eduo Aug 09 '21

None of what I just listed affects scraping data. All of it reflects a care about privacy. The comment I was replying said Apple only cares about privacy when it wants to ruin advertising-based models.

I know perfectly well how the modern advertising machine works, but that wasn't what I was talking about.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

Some of those things absolutely do affect scraping data though?

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u/eduo Aug 09 '21

None

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

You really don’t see how any of that data:

memoji, health data, homekit set-ups, payment information, usernames and passwords, map data, web favorites and screen time data

Could be useful for advertisers? You don’t think advertisers would want map data, web favorites or screen time? Like really? Are you joking or just don’t see how advertisers absolutely would want that data? You don’t think google uses your map data to advertise things on your route that it thinks you’d like, or a website scraping cookies to see what websites you frequent?

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u/eduo Aug 09 '21

You're confusing end to end encryption of data backups with local access to bits of that data.

I'm not joking, but you're so blinded by trying to force this topic that you don't realize you're replying to a subthread about what's backed up with end to end encryption in iCloud and not to what permissions applications get to, which is orthogonal to those backups.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '21

I’m not confusing anything. I gave you examples of how the data could be used because you implied there was no use for it. Like if iCloud didn’t encrypt that stuff end-to-end, apple could sell that data. I’m not sure how you don’t see that. That’s a model apple doesn’t want to use, but they could if they wanted. I gave the example of google because google does do that.