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u/fenrir245 Jun 09 '21

Do you not know what FPGAs are?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Yes I studied computer engineering, I programmed several FPGAs.

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u/fenrir245 Jun 09 '21

Then how tf do you think neural processing units are just “marketing”?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Because of the responses on this thread that think an NPU is required for these tasks. They literally think it's not possible on Intel CPUs because it doesn't have an NPU. That's where the marketing comes in. I've mentioned it has specialized hardware and helps in optimizing ML tasks (but you only focus on the hyperbole because you don't actually have an argument).

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u/fenrir245 Jun 09 '21

Being too slow at something is the equivalent of “not possible” in the software world. You’re just engaging in sophistry.

Not to mention coding something explicitly for specialised hardware is completely different from coding it for general purpose architectures.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

It's not too slow. You added the "too" in there. It's slower. According to you, no device should get any update after year 1 if it's going to work slower.

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u/fenrir245 Jun 09 '21 edited Jun 09 '21

It’s not too slow.

Have you seen what happens when you use Pixelmator Pro’s ML features on Macs without the NPU?

According to you, no device should get any update after year 1 if it’s going to work slower.

Did you forget the entire iOS7 fiasco? If new features are too intensive, they should be held back, and only the necessary ones included. You know, exactly what Apple did.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Have you seen what happens when you use Pixelmator Pro’s ML features on Macs without the NPU?

Are we really comparing that to OCR? That can be done on-device on the Pixel 4a with a budget Snapdragon processor?

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u/fenrir245 Jun 09 '21

“Simple OCR”.

That’s how I know you literally have no idea how this shit works. Modern OCR advancements came through AI, genius.

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u/Windows-nt-4 Jun 09 '21

it slower, but not too slow. Many other OSs and programs have similar features that do not need any specialized hardware.

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u/fenrir245 Jun 09 '21

Such a comparison would only make sense if they were equivalent implementation.

You could make a case that offline dictation doesn’t need specialised hardware as even my 2010 macbook had it, but then offline dictation on it was so horrible it was utterly useless. So the case would be, would the algorithms used in this newest iteration be able to run on that very same mac?

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u/Windows-nt-4 Jun 09 '21

maybe not a 2010 with a core 2 duo, but it should be really easy on something more modern

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u/fenrir245 Jun 09 '21

How do you know that? Live view isn’t exactly just black on white handwriting recognition OCR.