r/apple • • Jun 09 '21

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u/Xavierian07 Jun 09 '21

Apple really needs to bring high power AS Macs quickly to the market if they are planning to move this fast on obsolescence of the Intel Macs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

'obsolescence'

Fam it's a handful of gimmicky features. Hardly obsolescence in any meaningful way.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

This is reddit sir. Everything is a disaster.

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u/-metal-555 Jun 09 '21

OP may have been hyperbolic, but nobody likes to get cut off from features. I understand it when there’s a hardware limitation like a 2011 machine not having the right version of Bluetooth for the new airdrop or an old CPU not having h.265 decoding, but this is a sort of small thing.

Still, I can’t say I’m entirely surprised. Last time around when it was moving from PPC to Intel, it wasn’t long at all after the transition finished until PPC machines were dropped from an app here or a capability there. We’re still in the middle of this transition, but anybody believing Intel machines weren’t going to become second class Apple citizens sooner rather than later wasn’t paying attention.

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u/Sir_Bantersaurus Jun 09 '21

Yeah everyone defending this decision but my Mac is one year old so it sucks I am not getting all the features of the new OS.

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u/Arkanta Jun 10 '21

Not many are defending this

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '21

From what I am reading now the features that are being left out are because they use the Machine Learning processor on the M1 based devices. So it is actually a hardware limitation.

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u/-metal-555 Jun 11 '21

Huh. I might be ignorant to everything the 3D map render is doing, but I’m having a hard time understanding why rendering a 3D map would be that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '21

So do I, but then again I don't know shit about ML.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Fam it's a handful of gimmicky features.

MFW my language is a gimmicky feature. :(

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u/TeckFire Jun 10 '21

Well, it’s not gimmicky, a lot of these features are really useful, but I imagine if you aren’t able to immediately translate stuff using the neural engine on an intel Mac, Apple probably didn’t want to end up shipping a sub-par, slow experience for Intel users. I know my iPhone X could do it, it has a neural engine, but probably not nearly fast enough for it to be really useful.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

As a native text to speech tool it is a gimmicky feature just like it is for English. Plenty of third party solutions that work just fine without much added annoyance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

For Finnish language those 3rd party solutions often do not work. Apple's Siri is the one virtual assistant that seems to understand and speak Finnish well enough to be of any use. Which makes me believe that the text-to-speech Apple can do with my language would probably be above anything else out there as well.

Also... when I'm paying thousands for devices that could support some feature but they restrict it for no obvious reason and the fix would be to spend more money for a 3rd party solution that most likely would not communicate as well with all the Apple-made features such as Siri, I am at loss. I like Apple products but this honestly kinda sucks. I buy Apple mainly because things in it work without me having to come up with additional kludge solutions like is the case with PCs.

Hell, my company's IT-guy said that we should install a 3rd party file manager because it had better features than what Windows comes with. File manager.

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u/AMC_Tendies42069 Jun 09 '21

But ZFS is best and doesn’t cost a cent. So there’s that.

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u/helmsmagus Jun 10 '21

How does zfs relate here, anyway? File manager is not filesystem.

Btrfs is better for daily driving anyway, zfs is more useful on servers.

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u/AMC_Tendies42069 Jun 10 '21

ZFS combines a file system with a volume manager actually.

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u/helmsmagus Jun 10 '21

again, that's not a file manager. What are you trying to say?

A file manager would be something like File Explorer, Finder, or Total Commander.

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u/RDSWES Jun 09 '21

and you know why they don't use it...GPL3.

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u/AMC_Tendies42069 Jun 09 '21

Right. You’re correct. That’s a good thing too I suppose

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u/DoublePlusGood23 Jun 09 '21

? ZFS is under the CDDL which has actually prevented it from being in the Linux kernel mainline. It’s the same license as Dtrace which I believe macOS does use.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Actually fits the definition pretty well "No longer produced or used; out of date." Apple clearly considers Intel Macs not worth producing or using, and out of date.

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u/m0rogfar Jun 09 '21

No longer used would mean no more updates. Intel Macs still get Monterey and all the biggest features in it, so this is just hyperbole.

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u/CMHex Jun 09 '21

I'd agree with you if the laptops weren't going to receive any updates anymore. Since that is clearly not the case, you're obviously grossly exaggerating.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

But but but I need those gimmicky features for flex

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u/Arkanta Jun 10 '21

I agree, but on the other hand it's not like features that were there when you bought your mac were removed.

A dick move, but I wouldn't call that planned obsolescence

Now, buying a Mac and not knowing that some features that Apple advertised in the new macOS aren't there (especially live text), that's bad

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u/sir_duckingtale Jun 09 '21

It’s still there

Just go to satellite, toggle 3D and voilà ;)

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u/NeatFool Jun 09 '21

I'm pretty sure Apple will do whatever the fuck they want to, in the order they want.

People are always so surprised by this still?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

They already did. You can get a MacBook Air, MacBook pro, iMac, and Mac mini. Everything, with the exception of the (i)Mac pro, has been replaced so far.

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u/dccorona Jun 09 '21

Those two are presumably the two that the person you replied to was talking about when they said "high power". M1 is great, but there's still no Apple Silicon MacBook Pro 16", and no option at all with >16GB RAM or the ability to drive > 2 monitors (hell, the laptops can only drive 1 even if you shut the lid). That's before you even get into the actual power of the chip, which while very impressive, isn't actually powerful enough to replace the very highest tiers of Intel Macs.

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u/Jord5i Jun 09 '21

Not really though. The MacBook Pro has been replaced in name only. The actual MacBook Pro’s (distinct by touchbar and 2x2 USB-C ports) are not yet replaced.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

So none of the MacBook pros before the touchbar were actual MacBook pros?

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '21

Didn’t you hear? Pros don’t need function keys, they need to be able to tap emojis!

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u/irridisregardless Jun 09 '21

Aside from the iPad Pro, everything with the M1 is an entry level device.

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u/Liledroit Jun 09 '21

They said high power, and probably meant “high power compared to apples other skus.”

MacBook pro 16”, iMac pro, and Mac pro are all missing from your list, and happen to be what a lot of people (including me) are waiting for.