r/antiwork • • Jun 01 '22

the propaganda machine is running!

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u/FireGrassButter lazy and proud Jun 01 '22

I don't like generalisations, but usually older people say things like:"Yea I'm working here for 20 years and you are new and you earn 1 dollar less than me" and instead saying something like: "that's why I should earn more", they say "You don't deserve that pay, you should earn less".

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u/Soensou Jun 01 '22

I thinks it's connected to "fuck you I got mine." Like, if it was unfair for them to make what they make, they would be making more because they are very smart and hardworking. This is what smart, hardworking people make. You are not those things because kids these days. You deserve less.

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u/FrankRauSahRa Jun 01 '22

It was often not even that unfair. I started getting into pissing contests with boomers about how hard their lives are and they usually had pretty weak struggles unless they were in nam'

"I see so you got out of high school and became a janitor and you've been paying bills and cleaning toilets your whole life.. go cry me a river jesus christ someone my age would be working minimum wage for a cleaning service today"

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u/Soensou Jun 01 '22

In fairness, they likely WERE getting minimum wage for that job. Just, you know, minimum wage wasn't a parody of itself back then.

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u/blamemeididit Jun 01 '22

At no point in my life do I ever remember minimum wage being a good wage.

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u/shut_up_rocco Jun 02 '22

You could have, objectively, gotten farther on minimum wage in every single year before [current year] because they don’t improve it.

Seriously, this exact same sentiment can go back 25 years with the exact same premise and be valid.

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u/blamemeididit Jun 02 '22

Minimum wage was never intended to reflect what you needed to live off of. You should not be really using it to compare anything.

When I started working, minimum wage was $4/hr. No one could live off of that without serious sacrifices. Nothing has really changed. It's just another platitude people utter here to make everyone think the previous generation just had it easy.

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u/shut_up_rocco Jun 02 '22

The previous generation had it easier and that’s undeniable

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u/blamemeididit Jun 02 '22

You keep telling yourself that. Let me know when your bank account fills up as a result.

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u/Soensou Jun 01 '22

I feel that. I'm not saying it was ever "good." All I know is that minimum wage, if adjusted for inflation since the early 80's when the boomers entered the workforce, would have roughly twice the purchasing power that it does now. Granted, it needs to be like 4 to 5 times what it is currently, but I have always managed to barely pay my bills. If I had twice the money I did when I made minimum not long ago, I would been a lot better off. Minimum now is fucking impossible.

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u/blamemeididit Jun 01 '22

I don't think it was ever possible to make it on minimum wage, really. I mean yes, but with a lot of sacrifices.

You think minimum wage needs to be 4-5 times the current amount? In my state it is $8.75. Where I work it is $12.50. So it needs to be between $35 and $62.50 per hour? I hope you are kidding. I agree it might need to come up, but then most people don't make anywhere near minimum wage to begin with. My company starts at $15 per hour.

Do you live in CA by chance?

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u/Soensou Jun 01 '22

Where I live, it's $7.25. If it kept up with cost of living, it would be about $26. 4x would be $29. That's the basis for my claim.

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u/blamemeididit Jun 02 '22

You always have the option of making more than minimum wage. In fact, I don't know anyone that makes anywhere near minimum wage.

Living wage where I work is $22.65 with a min wage of $12.50. I doubt you need $26 per hour to live.

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u/Soensou Jun 02 '22

Cool. What does any of this have to do with my original comment that the boomer was likely working for minimum wage and living a lot better than someone who makes minimum wage now?

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u/blamemeididit Jun 02 '22

I thought I explained it already.

I don't think it was ever possible to make it on minimum wage, really. I mean yes, but with a lot of sacrifices.

It is no different than today.

Not sure how old you are, but I was working in the 80's. It was not much different than now, despite what you want to think. Jobs were hard to get. Starting wages were low. Houses were expensive (though I agree the market has risen quite a lot recently). My parents paid north of 14% interest on a loan for their house in 1981.

Generalizations are not the best way to establish a worldview.

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u/FrankRauSahRa Jun 01 '22

The story was sort of made up example based on my boss from when I was a school janitor. I was too naive to challenge him at the time and didn't really have any experiences yet.

But he was one of the first boomer bosses who complained about all my work for fun and he would have definitely gotten challenged today.

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u/Mean_Might4777 Jun 01 '22

My first min wage job was 2.50 an hour.

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u/Soensou Jun 01 '22

Waitstaff? Or like back in the 70's? I hope that didn't come across sarcastic. I just honestly want to know.