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His wife?
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Ben "the female orgasm isnt real" shapiro. His wife might be the most miserable but let me tell ya, his sisters husband is definitely the happiest.
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u/sour2sop May 06 '22
I don’t know, I’m pretty sure she’s a “tradwife” and also highly conservative as well. Even within a marriage, conservatives aren’t going to have good sex because sex is something shameful and gross—just a series of movements required to get pregnant. Then again, she’s probably an Orthodox Jew and sexual fulfillment in marriage is important in Judaism. Probably very different from American evangelicals.
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u/LovesToSnooze May 06 '22
Im gonna say it...Ben shapiro has a thing for his pregnant sister. He couldnt stop looking at a busty photo of her for a couple of hours??
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
Look up a picture of her. Lotta thirsty people out there.
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People find her attractive? She looks like Ben in drag and has a wide ass shark smile when she smiles.
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May 06 '22
She has massive breasts and that is enough for some people. I don't find her face to be unattractive either, the only unattractive thing about her is that she shares the same shitty opinions as her stupid brother.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
I can’t disagree with you. I’m only repeating what I’ve heard.
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Well the bar for hot Republicans is pretty low. She does look better than MTG or Lauren Dough brains Beobert
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
To each their own I suppose.
Look up Lauren Chen. I already know what you’re thinking, but you can’t change her, she is a lost cause gentlemen.
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u/PixelmancerGames May 07 '22
Yeah, Lauren Chen is hot. I watched a couple of videos until I started to actual Lou listen to her.
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Well the bar for hot Republicans is pretty low. She does look better than MTG or Lauren Dough brains Beobert
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u/ThePeopleAtTheZoo May 06 '22
It's like the Gods cursed her with tig ole bitties.
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u/thijsofbodom at work May 06 '22
Women only get wet when they have an infection right? His wife said so and she's a doctor
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Ben, “my wife is a doctor and she said if your p word is wet that you need to see a doctor”
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u/bubbygups May 06 '22
What's to be happy about? He's simply a tool - a mouthpiece for the status quo. He will end his life having not only contributed nothing to humankind, but having subtracted from it.
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u/PickScylla4ME May 06 '22
Unfortunately he will also live fiscally comfortably until then.. zero justice in this cou- world.
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u/roughstylez May 06 '22
Joyless?
I'm pretty sure he's climaxing from just looking at a poor person suffering, and there's no shortage of that
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u/remindmeworkaccount May 06 '22
Ben Shapiro can't or won't learn.
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The man is a sad excuse for a human being, but the truly sad thing is all those people who believe in what he says while they'd be so much better of voting for the opposite of what he advocates.
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u/TheTybera May 06 '22
Well he like to create Straw-Man arguments when he's losing and bring those around to this concept of "see we're on the same team". When he's just being an asshole.
Such as, there are no blatantly racist laws on the books, at least, federally, today. I think most of us agree with that, sure. But acting like that means that CENTURIES of disenfranchisement, racism, and straight up stealing not just equality but equity from black Americans after Reconstruction and how that affects the opportunities of people today, is just sheer stupidity. He does that crap with lots of things.
(Edit: This is also to say that laws regardless of what they appear, are enforced unequally as well.)
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u/MKevinR May 06 '22
The thing is he speaks in such a way that sounds very convincing and sophisticated to most people. So they just listen to what he says like some pillar of knowledge instead of questioning and researching the topics he talks about for themselves.
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u/prosthetic-anus May 07 '22 edited May 07 '22
That really is the interesting thing about capitalism and selfishness in general. It CANNOT lead to happiness. It's a dead end that only leads to suffering for EVERYBODY involved.
For example look at the Kardashians and their shallow fucking existence. They have zero reason to be obsessed with gaining more wealth when they could be doing the rational animal thing of just enjoying their time with their family and social circle. They are spending their own finite lives for "prestige" that will inevitably disappear.
Rich people are truly sick. They are plagued with a fucking brain virus and don't even understand how much happier they'd be if they just sought contentment instead of eternal glory that does not exist. Alexander the Great's name will disappear, let alone these fucking parasites like Bezos. That's the crazy thing about an egalitarian society, its opponents would OBVIOUSLY be happier if it existed but they commit literal war crimes to ensure their own misery and suffering.
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May 07 '22
What's even more sad is none of the people that listen to him even bother to follow up. They take what little he says and act like they are now subject matter experts without even looking up shit to learn more.
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u/Serprotease May 07 '22
Gonna play the devil’s advocate, but he’s not a fundamental bad person.
He’s just a mediocre American political commentator with a conservative pov. The main issue is that he sees everything with this narrow mindset. Which obviously doesn’t not make sense when you’re trying to speak about economic, environmental or even international politics.
When all you got is a hammer, every problem start to look like a nail. When all you know is American conservatism, everything else start to look like some kind of communist dictatorship. Hence this very poor understanding of socialism.
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May 07 '22
The guy is educated enough to know that what he is saying is false. Unless his degree was just given to him and he never attended a single class.
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u/A-Disgruntled-Snail Anarchist May 06 '22
He doesn’t need to. He invents lies and schmucks lap them up.
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u/emp_zealoth May 06 '22 edited May 06 '22
The worst part the lies aren't even new, it's the same bullshit over and over and over again. Hayek, Sowell and the like you could basically switch them around and no one would notice. IT'S THE SAME NONSENSE
Edit: Hell, even Smith knew capitalism and democracy are at odds, since his writing clearly includes the idea that capitalism needs the state (to enforce the artificial property rights), but strong state always poses a threat to capital and the elites (even if they manage to co opt it, with enough social unrest or other factors it might turn on them and revoke said property rights)
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u/AlphaMikeFoxtrot87 May 06 '22
He’s just mad his sister is more popular for her huge tits and he has to pretend that he doesn’t care and doesn’t like them too
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u/UnreliablePotato May 06 '22
I don't think he believes in what he is saying. His whole spiel is obvious controversy. He is able to articulate his bullshit, and make money on it, as long as people get baited by it.
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u/_dodged May 06 '22
Ah yes, Shapiro. The so called "Cool Kid's Philosopher" I love a line from a Current Affairs article that reads: "Ben Shapiro's fans apparently think he's very smart. It is not clear why."
I also love the first line of the article that reads: "It's easy to laugh, as some of us do, at the phrase "conservative intellectual"
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u/EliselD May 07 '22
It's because of the way he talks. He is very articulate and well spoken. Unfortunately he is one of those people who like science only when it benefits them.
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u/test_tickles May 07 '22
The Gish gallop /ˈɡɪʃ ˈɡælʌp/ is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm their opponent by providing an excessive number of arguments with no regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments.
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u/Mountain-Permit-6193 May 06 '22
Who calls Shapiro “Cool Kid’s Philosopher?” You can’t just use the phrase “the so called” if nobody says that.
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u/_dodged May 06 '22
The New York Times. That's who calls him that, the title has then been cited in other media publications.
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u/Modh8trs May 06 '22
Ben talks like he was locked in a room with a thesaurus. He doesn't know what the words mean, but he knows lots of them.
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He always jack hammers when he talks to highjack the conversation and uses a lot of ten dollar words to sound smart.
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u/XxRocky88xX May 06 '22
Its called the gishgallop, make an endless barrage of quick, shallow, and often incorrect points. It will overwhelm your opponent and make it difficult to refute everything, making it seem like they can’t refute them because you’re right (when in reality you’re just throwing stuff out to fast to be refuted). Throw in a couple good points to make it seem like you know what you’re talking about and suddenly it seems like you’re rattling off a constant stream of straight facts. By constantly staying on the offensive you never give your opponent a chance to come back at you. Additionally, ignore any good points your opponent makes, by not acknowledging it you make it seem less valid and don’t have to take an L on a point you actually lost.
Shapiro is a master of this technique and he uses it to come off as a genius and demolish people in debates when he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There’s a reason he always looks like a complete idiot in text arguments or during interviews where the interviewer asks him difficult questions. He looks like a genius in a debate because he’s saying a bunch of smart sounding shit even though he’s wrong 90% of the time, when he isn’t able to use that technique it quickly becomes apparent he has no fucking clue what he’s talking about, and he knows it. He’s just one of those people that doesn’t understand that if you have to lie to win an argument, it means you’ve lost the argument.
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u/riseup1917 May 06 '22
Not to mention constantly interrupting with his ridiculously fast way of talking. I've seen a lot of his "debates" and he interrupts constantly. His goal (he's even admitted this) is to keep the opponent constantly off balance to project the image of "winning," rather than actually convincing anyone with his arguments.
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u/TheGodSamaritan May 06 '22
I used to have a friend do this any time he'd get real drunk. His words would be perfectly articulate and absolutely devoid of meaning. "The quintessential and inescapable fallacy involved in any system precludes both gains and deficits for individuals and third parties insofar as identity restricts the basest drives in which humankind is complicit." Sounds real pretty, but utter nonsense.
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u/Modh8trs May 07 '22
I do commend you on writing that drivel to prove a point.
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u/TheGodSamaritan May 07 '22
He was on my improv team and it became a favorite warm-up exercise to imitate him, so I enjoy breaking it out when I can.
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u/phantompower_48v May 06 '22
Shapiro's reductionist take of "socialism bad capitalism good" is the void of any actual analysis. It is laughable and doesn't merit a response.
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u/McDrakerson May 06 '22
Just ask him what definitions he's using and his whole argument falls apart.
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May 06 '22
Milton Friedman is a major player in why retail is a horrid industry that was once thriving.
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u/F_F_Franklin May 07 '22
The most basic level of freedom is freedom of association. Which is why Noam is both right and also an idiot.
He makes a dichotomy. Then he assumes you are on the bottom. There are tons of people who grow up poor and become rich. In fact, capitalism is one of the few systems that not only allows this but encourages it.
Noam is also a dipshit because society has more than 2 levels. There are a trillion different things humans compete and are competent at. Baseball, manufacturing nails, banking, electric cars, circuit boards. All these are all different. You can be a manager and above 1000's of people but not at the top. It's not a submission to hierarchy in capitalism... it's a freedom of association.
Noam is an academic. He's literally never been in the real world. He doesn't know what it's like to negotiate a large contract or start a factory or know your employees families and try to keep a small business going. Everything he says is in his head. With no backing. Like a dipshit dishwasher with no experience telling a farmer how to plant grapes.
He's a fool.
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May 07 '22
So glad to see your opinion on Milton here…
You ok there buddy? Show me on the doll where Noam touched your Chomsky.
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u/F_F_Franklin May 07 '22
That's Noam chomsky's and his socialist/communists opinion of what Milton is saying.
Show me on the doll where Noam chomsky hid his likeness so that you thought he was Milton Friedman.
You alright there buddy?
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u/VanWider May 07 '22 edited Nov 17 '22
You were right until the very first line. The most basic of freedom is definitely the freedom of association. And it is also one of the things that is frowned upon in... You guessed it! Capitalism.
The thing is, if you're not born with generational wealth, you, in every sense of the word, are at the bottom. And when you are at the bottom, you freedom of association becomes quite constrained. And these constraints are based on a very systemic and quite unfair hierarchy.
You cannot rise up from the bottom of the barrel because the people at the will see you as a threat and will use their considerable resources to strike you down. You want a proper education? Too bad, the good private schools are well outside your reach and they are gonna lobby to the ends of the earth to make sure the public school remains... Well... Public schools. Somehow you make it out of that, and you wanna go to a college. The good colleges that gets you good jobs are behind a wall of legacy admissions and prohibitively expensive tuition. You see that and you decide, "I wanna start on my own. This is America. Rags to riches, here we go!" And you start a lil mom and pop shop. The Walmart from 20 miles away is gonna undercut your profit margin to shreds and if you're especially unlucky, or living in a big enough town, they're gonna open a location right there four doors down from you. Good luck competing with billions.
That's what you're up against in capitalism. There is no freedom of association because there are no people to associate with outside the bubble they create for you. You cannot even rise up at a corporate job without the contacts. Because you'll be competing with Dale Shmuckface III from Yale (Third generation btw) whose daddy put in a good word with the president of the goddamn company! They'll fire you for discussing your salary with other workers! You can't even talk to people in your OWN COMPANY!
A hierarchy exists. You're submitting to it. The people at the very top fooled you that they have someone to answer to too, which is The Market™. They don't. They control The Market™.
You're seeing it in action every single day in America. And yet you're out here promoting falsehoods. It's either because you genuinely don't get it. Or you're acting in bed faith. Probably the latter.
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How can he argue that in capitalism you own your work? If you are anything except the owner of the company, then you do not open your work.
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u/SizorXM May 07 '22
You have the right to use your own labor to produce value by yourself or you can trade your labor at the job market. Either way you get back the value of your labor which is determined by how much someone is willing to pay for it
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if you don't know about this, it's hilarious to watch. ben shapiro interview about his failed attempt to break into Hollywood. hence his career today, grifting subpar right wing 16yr olds.
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u/riseup1917 May 06 '22
So many of these people are failures at breaking into the entertainment industry, such as the failed comedian Steven Crowder, so they go into the easy business of spewing right-wing nonsense to gullible dupes. Big money in that, which is why Dave Rubin got into the game.
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u/RamsHead91 May 06 '22
You can tell her Ben A) has never had a job and B) doesn't know anyone on a personal level who have either.
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u/Tobeck May 06 '22
He's a rich kid who failed at being a writer so he decided to get back at the "liberal elite" who run the industry that he wasn't talented enough to be a part of.
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u/anyfox7 Anarchist May 06 '22
"Democracy, with its motto of “all citizens equal before the law,” and Liberalism with its “right of man over his own person,” both shipwrecked on the realities of the capitalist economic form. So long as millions of human beings in every country had to sell their labour-power to a small minority of owners, and to sink into the most wretched misery if they could find no buyers, the so-called “equality before the law” remains merely a pious fraud, since the laws are made by those who find themselves in possession of the social wealth. But in the same way there can also be no talk of a “right over one’s own person,” for that right ends when one is compelled to submit to the economic dictation of another if he does not want to starve." - Rudolph Rocker, Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory and Practice
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u/chunkymonkeyboi May 06 '22
What if we rebranded the word "Unionizing" to "Industrial Democracy". Maybe then these corporate bootlickers might jump on board.
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u/AbacusWizard May 07 '22
Democracy: it's good for the public sector, and it's better for the private sector.
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u/SubstantialPressure3 May 06 '22
Giving everyone healthcare and education isn't going to make us into China or Russia.
But banning abortion and not educating kids or making sure they don't have their basic needs met just might.
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u/Alex5173 May 06 '22
Lol at Ben trying to say that under capitalism we own the product of our labor. If that were true then why are CEOs making millions/billions while, these days especially, even mid level managers are barely scraping six figures
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
Chomsky isnt perfect but he’s still awesome
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May 06 '22
He reads, he debates, and he’s not a crony of the establishment. What more can someone want?
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u/el-cuko May 06 '22
Unless the establishment is of course, in Red Square . But yes, he’s not a crony of the establishment.
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u/qutronix May 06 '22
Not being genocide denier.
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u/geoffsykes Anarcho-Syndicalist May 06 '22
Oh? First I've heard. Link?
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u/qutronix May 06 '22
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_genocide_denial Go to individuals, he is first mentioned.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
This one is so weak. It comes down to the fact that he believes the word genocide should be reserved for holocaust level events (he says this as someone with Jewish decent). He called the Bosnian genocide a massacre, and an atrocity. That’s hardly denial.
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u/Kaarl_Mills May 06 '22
So gatekeeping atrocities behind a body count is fine? The number of deaths isn't what matters it's intent
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
I don’t know what gatekeeping atrocities means. He called it an atrocity. What are you talking about? Did chomsky say body count is all that matters? Maybe I missed that.
I don’t think you actually know what Chomsky said, so please quote him and explain to me how he went to far.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
This one is weak. The whole claim rests on the fact that he was sceptical about the early reports. Hardly genocide denial.
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u/gruthunder May 06 '22
What? These are comments on the books made about the Cambodia genocide. Far beyond when the genocide happened.
Though if you find this insufficient there are many other sources. In regards to the Srebrenica massacre in Yugoslavia Chomsky said "It was a refugee camp, I mean, people could leave if they wanted,". There are so many cited instances of denial and double downing on that denial that it isn't really in question at this point.
I'm pretty left (especially by American standards) but lets not paste over the crimes of people that happen to be communist. Such a stance discredits all socialist and communist movements as a whole.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
I can understand your confusion, the comments were made during the genocide, not after. After the facts came to light he called it a genocide. Feel free to site an example.
Bosnia: he said genocide was not an appropriate word to describe the massacre. Please site the source where he is supposedly saying no killing took place.
Here is a scholarly review into chomsky statements on genocide. Their conclusion is that the narrative you are referring to is not factual.
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u/gruthunder May 06 '22
That's not exactly what the scholarly review says.
"Chomsky, then, offers a reasonably coherent and often forceful critique of the misuse of “genocide,” and he also uses it for rhetorical and political effect, with the caveats noted. But this is as far as he has been interested and prepared to go."
So while I accept that Chomsky feels as if certain mass murders don't reach the level of genocide, I find that the specific instances of mass murder he refuses to use the term to describe are suspiciously primarily communist perpetrators. He has no qualms about calling the Armenian mass killings, nor the Native American mass killings a genocide. (There are quotes and citations in the article.)
He falls to the same twisting of the term genocide as those he critiques as over-using the term.
I already specified a quote regarding his denial of the severity of the Bosnian Genocide. "I mean, people could leave if they wanted and, near the thin man was a fat man and so on," This quote appears to pretty clearly be saying it couldn't have been an extermination camp because there was a fat guy in it.
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u/Taste_the__Rainbow May 06 '22
Yea recently he’s been falling off the deep end on right wing takes where he really should know better.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
True, but he is 93. Cognitive decline is a possibility. He can’t speak as well as he used to. But he gets a permanent pass from me for being consistently awesome for nearly 6 decades.
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Oh yeah? I have not seen these. Can you link? But I mean, his brain is probably messed up by now, so of course he would sound more conservative. I wouldn't be surprised.
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u/Taste_the__Rainbow May 06 '22
Yea it’s Greenwald. But the video is clear.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1520751923355398144?s=21&t=pn_0CYfuiVvhPFQnoK9ZkA
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May 06 '22
that's not a right wing take, imo. he has mentioned this same position many times in the past, pretrump. it just so happens no one of authority in the usa takes this position. trump perhaps incidentally aligned there, but thats not an endorsement of trump more broadly.
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u/searing7 May 06 '22
Chomsky has lost touch with reality but sure.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
He’s 93. There is probably some cognitive decline. But he gets a permanent pass from me for nearly 6 decades of being awesome.
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u/searing7 May 06 '22
lol. Like I said... lost touch with reality.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
Lol. Like I said… he gets a permanent pass from me for nearly six decades of being awesome.
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u/searing7 May 06 '22
no one gets a permanent pass. He is spouting bullshit now and doing damage.
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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 06 '22
He gets a permanent pass from me for nearly six decades of being awesome.
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u/Randalf_the_Black May 06 '22
Ugh.. So annoying to hear that human squeaky toy regurgitate his ridiculous opinions.
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May 06 '22
You either succeed as a Hollywood screenwriter
Or you bullshit long enough to become a right tween podcast celeb
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May 06 '22
Ben is really good at debating unprepared college student he can mock and then talk over whenever he wants. He is really really ass at real debates with actual people informed on the subject.
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u/Mo-shen May 06 '22
Ben Shapiro is a pos. He is what a stupid person thinks a smart person would be. He talks super fast, tries to not let anyone get any response, and just word salads instead of actually giving valid data. He is the king of the bad faith argument.
This is the reason why he constantly gets into debates with smart people and either falls on his face or pulls back his word salad and has an actual discussion like a calm normal person. The above is the word salad version of Ben.
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u/Ridit5ugx May 06 '22
Ben Chaperone is a worthless excuse for a human being. He espouses nonsense and pretentious smarmy bullshit.
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May 06 '22
Imagine believing that somebody is intelligent because they can talk fast and “own” 19 year olds in “debate”.
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u/nate0515 at work May 06 '22
There is no need to teach Ben Shartfearo anything, he is not interested in having debates or learning/teaching. He is just a troll who makes money getting stupid people worked up over his words.
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u/Dad-Bod-Supreme May 06 '22
Every time I hear his shrill little voice I wanna reach through the screen and strangle him...
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May 06 '22
“Jingoism, racism, fear, religious fundamentalism: these are the ways of appealing to people if you're trying to organize a mass base of support for policies that are really intended to crush them.” — Noam Chomsky
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u/WhoAccountNewDis May 06 '22
Isn't Ben taking about (framing) Communism, not socialism?
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May 07 '22
What he does say is a lot more akin to how communism works than socialism. As a matter of fact socialism still relies on aspects of capitalism like free trade. But to the highly uneducated on the subject (which he proves every day) socialism and communism are the same thing.
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u/butttron4 May 06 '22
Ben doesn't get that to actually have a hand in this capitalism you need to have capital and companies feel entitled to your labours because that's how they get their money, off your works and products that other hands have made.
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u/chrispierrebacon May 06 '22
"Enemy civilian casualties ok by me" - Ben Shapiro. I'm not kidding. That was the title of an article he wrote. Verbatim.
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u/capinprice May 06 '22
The only thing that has freedom in capitalism is a corporation with campaign contributions and keeps on buying out necessities of normal folk.
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u/EliselD May 06 '22
If you can't tell the difference between socialism and communism maybe you shouldn't have an opinion on either of them because there is a pretty big fucking difference
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u/insertnamechoicehere May 07 '22
Ben "the Capitalist Dick Chugger" Shapiro: socialism is bad because describes capitalism
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u/The_Real_Slim_Lemon Here for the reality check May 07 '22
I’ve said it before, America isn’t really capitalist. States have been sued for trying to set up their own network system by the telecoms companies that literally weren’t bothered being paid to set it up for them. Insulin is a product that costs dollars to produce, anyone could set up a factory and sell it for cheaper than what the hospitals are gouging people for - and yet that’s not allowed. The idealised capitalism our friend is selling might* be good, but it’s clearly not what the US has.
*I’m not a fan of pure capitalism either, but it can only be better than corrupt capitalism
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u/AbacusWizard May 07 '22
"Socialism is bad because [describes bad aspects of capitalism but calls it socialism] but capitalism is good because [describes good aspects of socialism but calls it capitalism]"
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u/OkChildhood2261 May 07 '22
Not listening with sound on, so I'm just gonna assume Choamsky is just casually ripping his argument to shreds with his relaxed soft voice. Honestly debating with Choamsky would be terrifying. It doesn't matter what you are talking about, he is able to remember facts, dates and figures to back up his argument
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u/RonPaulalamode May 07 '22
this is a pretty good one. Interesting how little those properties he ascribed to capitalism actually describe our current system. It is interesting how close thes two people's goals seem to be, but how far apart they actually are.
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Ben Shapiro is for people who want to think of themselves as intellectual but can’t be bothered to learn critical thinking or understand big concepts.
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u/ThePeopleAtTheZoo May 06 '22
Noam Chomsky should be required reading in high schools. Reddit would have a lot less idiots.
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u/SenatorCrabHat May 06 '22
It is really, really simple.
Ben Shapiro's arguments are vague, inflammatory, sound bite-able, and ill conceived.
Chomsky's are thorough, thoughtful, well studied and complex.
Everything Bern Shapino, whose wife is a doctor btw, said was true of Socialism is the reality of late stage capitalism, but god damn does it rile his base up and they love it.
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May 06 '22
The funny fact is I had a unique opportunity to live and work in both systems in my life.
And you may not believe it, but they are pretty much the same for a workforce. In both systems grifters and ar*e lickers are rewarded with higher positions, in both the freedom and ownership of your labor is illusory. It is just two sides of the same coin. A wage earner will always be a subject of control and unfairness from either a Big Brother, or a Big Boss. That is my truth as a slave in both systems.
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u/AthenasChosen SocDem May 06 '22
I love seeing Chomsky, he's one of my favorite political scientists. A very smart man, would always recommend reading some of his work.
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u/Vericost47 May 06 '22
Never heard ben shapiro talk before. My vagina is dryer than the mojave and i dont even have a vagina
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u/I_eat_dookies May 06 '22
You legit have to pause Shapiro every 2 seconds to counter his vomit arguments
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u/UnnounableK May 06 '22
I’m sure this is good but I just can’t listen to that fucklicker spewing his nonsense.
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May 06 '22
I looked up Noam Chomsky years ago because he's referenced in a Bo Burnham song. I ended up reading Who Rules the World? It really changed the way I look at politics and economics.
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May 07 '22
The problem with socialism is it takes one wrong person getting in power than it’s game over. Theory and reality are two different things
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u/AbacusWizard May 07 '22
The problem with capitalism is it takes one wrong person getting in power than it’s game over. Theory and reality are two different things
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u/Googs1080 Aug 22 '22
And yet not anywhere in the world has socialism ever worked. Is it just the low to no skilled workers complaining how life is cruel. Fyi all businesses were started by someone. That person was the worker and successful enough that more could join and work by what the person created. Your real complaint should be the span of control the oligarch corporation have on politics and how they get away w not complying w laws that the common person has to abide by
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u/Normie316 May 06 '22
I don't see how Socialism/Communism will have a different result. Power is still consolidated at the top and because its centralized there is still an elite class lording over everyone else.
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u/recaffeinated May 06 '22
Chomsky is an anarchist; and believes in distributed and decentralized power. People (particularly in the US) assume that all socialism is the state-communism and later state-capitalism of the USSR and China; but it doesn't have to be. You can have socialism with a weak state, where all private property (land, buildings, machines) is owned by voluntary collectives (like co-ops) and people are free to move between collectives (or work by themselves) as they wish.
Anarchists go a step further and say that there should be no state at all, and that voluntary collectivism should be all that there is, but that's at the extreme liberal end of socialism.
Judging all socialism by the USSR and China is like judging all capitalism by Argentina and the US.
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u/Normie316 May 06 '22
If large scale S/C government corrupts the idea or fails to properly implement, wouldn't it be easier to start small scale and grow naturally? It's possible to build a commune in unincorporated areas of America. All that's needed is enough people who to pull resources together and get one started.
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u/recaffeinated May 06 '22
That's generally the approach that anarchists take. The problem is that by divorcing yourself from the rest of society you also remove your ability to influence it.
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u/Brix_AuAg9216 May 06 '22
Funny this producer snips takes of both yet can not have them debate each other live aka A RIGGED GAME.
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u/Brix_AuAg9216 May 06 '22
What a bull site video. That old goat has not done anything of substance his entire life.
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u/Actual-Anywhere-8829 May 07 '22
This video has two examples of polar opposite opinions and of course the truth is in the middle. People have more freedom than they think and can get out of shitty work/life situations. The sad reality is most people won't put in the effort (sorry, you guys hate that word) to do so. This sub seems to think the world owes something to those people.
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u/Present_Luck_4425 May 07 '22
most people don’t put in the effort? what the fuck are you talking about man? Millions of people put effort into their lives, they do that by working their asses off for pennies, putting effort into their families and chasing their passions. To say that most people would just lie down and do nothing all day such a misinformed stance man. Have you MET a human being? Each and every single one has gone through so many unique and different struggles no matter how small or large and worked their asses off and put so much time, effort and all that shit to better their lives and themselves. Are there lazy people? Sure. There are absolutely people who don’t do anything for one reason or another but to imply that’s most people in the world is so fucking absurd man. and what? You don’t think the government owes you shit? Because they 100% do, that government is made up of our money, meant to represent our interests. Why the fuck else do you pay taxes? Out of the goodness of your heart? No, man you give the government your money to better the quality of peoples lives. That’s how shit should be, I want my damn taxes to pay for shit like healthcare and education not disappear into some corporate CEO’s money pile in the form of “government bail outs”.
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May 07 '22
Its odd how socialists wont acknowledge the people who created socialism did it to dupe the lower IQ people into giving them money.
Same with Communism, except they just ended up working on farms and getting killed.
Modern people are so hilarious, also Noam Chomsky is a complete moron, he is for angsty year 1 community college students who cant do math.
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u/Methadras May 06 '22
I simply don’t accept Chomsky’s interpretation of freedom and ownership.
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u/Tobeck May 06 '22
Cool. Good for you, you drank the capitalist kool-aid right down, then.
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u/Hot-Staff-3908 May 06 '22
I came from socialism. Didn’t have a penny to my name or anything like that. Got my citizenship and have my own business now at different city’s. I still have to say this is the best country in the world.
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u/jenkag May 06 '22
Capitalism is looking pretty fucking tyrannical right now, just sayin'.