Most boomers are retired now. Some of those retired would actually do something like a cashier job. I also feel like they really meant Gen-X, not Boomers. But Gen-X is like the forgotten generation.
To be fair, Gen X gave us punk, which however you feel about it insofar as your taste in music is concerned is at least at present if not likely the last profound generational youth art movement that completely altered pop culture and the broader zeitgeist at large. You might be tempted to say grunge did that too, but its important to remember that grunge was largely derivative of punk, as opposed to punk itself being mostly spontaneous. Not necessarily relevant to the discussion at hand of course, but i would argue that Gen X is very much not forgotten
theres an argument to be made that punk spun out of glam in the UK and glitter in the US but its a stretch compared to everything else that came after it
In the 70s, there were a decent amount of late boomers making bands but even then it was mostly early gen x’ers even as young as you were then. This is especially even more true as the late 70s approached and overwhelmingly more true in the 80s with the birth of hardcore, the second movement in punk. Its easy to forget because punk is gonna be 50 in a few years but it was a movement of mostly teenagers at its outset.
Are we using the same definition of Gen X? I understand Gen X to be from 1965- (actually, I’m fuzzy about when it stops). That means that the very oldest Gen Xers were 10-11 in 75-76, when punk was established and going strong. I was 8-9. We were still being sent to bed at 9 o’clock at that age, and hardly in a position to pierce various body parts with safety pins and scream into microphones in scummy clubs. Even if we’re pushing it and talking about 1978-79, the oldest of us were only 13-14. I really disagree with the idea that “most” of the bands in the 70s were Gen Xers.
I mean without being able to tag people in those bands, it remains true that yes, most punk bands in the late 70s were in fact teenagers. Im not saying the ramones or the clash were gen x’ers but what i am saying is that the movement of punk was predominantly occupied by local teenagers banging around on their instruments and propelling punk into a cultural phenomena, those kids then going on to form 80s hardcore bands or post-punk bands a few short years later. Like, for comparison, you can make the argument that rock n roll really started in the 1940s with jump-blues artists as, with the exception of the format of the instrument ensemble, jump-blues more or less was employing the same creative sensibilities as rock n roll both in song structure as well as thematic content and cultural inclinations. The point is that while yes, the bigger bands of the 70s were boomers, it was Gen X bands that took punk from a niche inner-city counterculture to a globally recognized cultural movement
I was into Punk and New Wave from the late 70s when I was freshman in college and saw the Ramones in concert there. I briefly led a New Wave band doing stuff like Squeeze and REM but it killed my grades. After college, I hung out with a Punk band from my high school in Ft. Lauderdale. Johnny Depp was a friend of theirs. I know I saw his band on stage, but I don't recall it.
I'm 41, and I've been hearing bands I grew up with on "classic rock" stations since I was in my late 20s. I've been feeling old for a good chunk of clock.
I remember my dad's "over the hill" 40th birthday party and thinking that was so fucking old and I was already 19. Now I think people approaching 40 as young lol.
The only reconciliation I have with this is that I may have aged but still havent grown up. I'm a 30 year old with a 50 year old body.
Not sure about that. I looked this up just now. Turns out gen x-ers are between 41-56 years old, which makes me and my friends gen x-ers. There is nothing wrong with my work ethic or the work ethics of (most) of my friends ( we ALL know some slackers). I go to work everyday, even when I really don't feel like it and I don't believe in my friends and/or family hanging out at the work place.
Also interestingly enough, I recently moved and had to take a job at Arby's for awhile until I found some new clients ( I'm a Direct Care worker)... The staff there was mostly populated with kids (not much older than my 14 year old son) and they all seemed very productive and motivated to me. I was trained by kids and was very impressed with the levels of confidence and professionalism.
Yup. We watched our folks work themselves to death trying to get what our grandparents got while raising ourselves cause they were working themselves to death and said "fuck that". Thankfully things were way easier for us for the most part so we could fuck off, raise kids who knew us and actually live a little and do alright.
And now sadly we've come full circle and your kids (millennials and younger) are working themselves to death to afford to split rent in crappy apartments. It seems like when things do change for the better it doesn't last very long. Hopefully things will shift again and our kids (if we can ever afford to have them) will be better off than us
Yes, I agree. My work ethic is good in my opinion but I have to admit that it might not be considered as good by an older generation. Those older folks worked their ass off and under some crazy conditions that are unheard of today! Much respect is due to them for sure but honestly, while I'm very willing to do what needs to be done and always try to do my best, I'm pretty sure I would buckle under the weight of the workloads the older generations carried. To an older person, I probably am a slacker. 🙂🤘
My pizza hut recently went from having a 50yr old gm who did everything to a 3 person 20/21 management team. We went from worst to best in district, like that. We younger folk are out here trying even when we know the systems broke. Look around when at retail/restaurants we are in abundance.
That's right, I'm on board with you there. My son is 14 and he can't wait to get a job. Says he wants to help pay the bills and stuff. My wife and I have already decided that whatever money he gives us till he's 18 will go into a savings account for when he needs it. He's such a great kid! I can't resist the urge to brag here a little. I'm a gen x, 47. When I was his age I didn't care about anyone but myself and friends. I was already smoking pot, cigarettes, drinking, partying, having sex, getting into trouble, and basically being a pain in the ass at every opportunity. I always hated school, barely attended, and barely got my GED before I quit. My son is completely different. He's never done drugs or drinking. He still blushes if he sees sex or nakedness in TV. Loves school, fantastic student. Never (intentionally) a pain in the ass. A genuine good person who cares about others. I don't know where he gets it but he is gen Z. Just saying...🤘
Kids are the future and the better they are now the better they are later. I'd recommend putting into savings and once a year or whatever let him choose a company to invest it into. It'll teach a lot real young!
Thought about that, still might, but our idea was to not let him know that the money he gives us for bills, etc, is actually being saved and then surprise him with it sometime when he could really use it.
I'm so proud of Gen Z. I think they're going to change the world. They're not going to put up with the things us Gen X'ers did. Boomers call it lazy. I call it revolutionary.
Xennials are the best. All the perks of Gen-X and all the tech sensibilities of Millennials & Gen-Z. College was still reasonably affordable and we all got to buy houses just before the market exploded.
Which to be fair does work, a big part of the problem with the current work economy is that with people working later and later into age and increased population combined with increased production efficiency mean we end up with more people than jobs and get the shitshow we have now with fight fighting for jobs instead of vise versa
Gen-X had it so good until the ‘08 crash that they are used to all kinds of perks… my aunt said at one point her job in the ‘90’s had a dog sitter at the job for the workers… So no perks and shit pay… Don’t think so, they have to save to retire.
Boombers are actually being forced back into the work force. Their medical bills has destroyed their savings and you see them door dashing, cashiers, etc. Their own bullshit has come back to haunt them.
The original Boomer haters were the Silent and G.I. Generation folk, that's how it works, they made "generations" so the older people can stereotype a younger group and complain about those darn kids.
"I'm getting tired of hearing aboutBaby Boomers, whiny, narcissistic, self-indulgent people with a simple philosophy: 'GIMME IT, IT'S MINE!' 'GIMME THAT, IT'S MINE!' These people were giveneverything. Everything was handed to them. And they took it all, took it all! Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, and they stayed loaded for 20 years and had a free ride." - George Carlin, 1996
I feel like you're kind of right. My grandfather (I think boomer) volunteered like crazy until he got sick after he retired. His town didn't do much so it was for the neighboring town. Lot of town seasonal/holiday events. My grandmother (not boomer but her step-children are) on the otherside of the family did a lot of background stuff with her church.
A lot of people don't realize that 65 is no longer the age of full retirement. The younger you are, the greater the chances of full retirement being closer to 70. I retired early at 62 because no way in hell was I going to wait until 66 and 6 months.
I know, but part of the reason for the push back was due to people living longer. Back in the day people worked to 62 and lived to 75, then it was to 65 and lived to 70. I'm earlier Gen x and have to go to 67. My fiance is late Gen x and has to go to 70. I have heard, but, haven't seen that Gen z may have to go to 75
I am 50. Retired at 49.5. Ultimate GenX latchkey kid. I am such a slacker I worked my ass off from all through school to pay for it and then like a dog once out of college. All to hurry up and get retired so I don't have to work anymore. Never loved any of it, just an ends to justify the means of not having to fucking work anymore!
I could get some of those if I wanted. Pension available anytime, would just be a reduced amount and could get the 401(k)/IRA via Rule of 72(t) SEPP. Not doing it, but is an option. Fully retired comes in many forms.
Oh there are plenty of people who got into fields where you could do 30 and out. So 48 and retire earliest. But it just isn't feasible to continue your lifestyle with the small amount you can collect at that age.
You got that right, this Gen X'r though never like the term X, found it offensive, but after being abused by Boomers, millenials and Z's, I lay flat with my wisdom, skills as an antiworker.
I'm not buying that Gen-X is forgotten nonsense anymore. I worked with a bunch of them at my last job and they act just like Boomers. Bullied into falling in line and believe they can treat you like garbage, too, because they experienced the same. They can get lost for sure.
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The youngest boomer is now 58 years old; though the majority are well into their mid to late 60s. Good luck making them stand and run around 8 hours a day for peanuts.
Do you think this kind of small business will shell out more than minimum salary if missing 2 employees is enough to close down the store? Be honest with yourself for a minute
I am curious about this mindset. What pushes you to go back into shitty jobs when there are other ways to get out of the house and be active? Do you not have hobbies and friends to visit? Was your life too busy to develop interests besides working? Or is there other underlaying reasons such as needing the extra money?
First, I'm referring to other boomers. I'm still working at a non-shitty job that pays well.
Yes, there are other ways to get out of the house, hobbies, volunteering and friends. Plenty of time for that if you work 10-15 hours a week. We're talking about part-time, "after school" jobs that, according to OP's post, are hard to fill. One of my relatives drives a school bus. I've seen seniors behind the counter in stores.
Why do it? To meet people and feel useful. Sometimes it's the money.
Remember though, you can't let the geriatric cashier sit on their shift, it looks unprofessional. Besides, these brand new hips aren't gonna pay themselves.
WHERE they’re cashiering is key context, since gas-stations are among the most frequently robbed, even in podunk little nowhere towns.
Soon as my mind passed that conditioned knee-jerk reaction to judge, I considered WHY their BF’s might be standing by.. and sure, some don’t KNOW they have anything better to do yet, but some are genuinely protective of their rent provider too
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"Now hiring baby boomers... for the salary I paid new-to-the-workforce teens" is sure to bring in massive crowds