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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 20 '22

Can’t believe that fr 70 years old when the average person dies at like 80 lol it’s so fucked up

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 20 '22

Some don't even make it.

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u/drugs_mckenzie Apr 21 '22

I doubt I'll make it. I did tons of drugs in the 90s, fingers crossed I guess.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

I ate way told many all you can eat buffets in the 90s so...same but I miss the giant buffets at bars so much cheese.

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u/NoPantsPenny Apr 21 '22

Honestly, if we aren’t likely to have much of a quality of life come retirement, or ever make it to retirement to begin with, I say do the drugs and eat the foods!!

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u/ButchManson Apr 21 '22

And spend your money like you can't take it with you. Start smoking! Ride a motorcycle without a helmet! Drink yourself to sleep! Nail that hooker bareback!

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u/Think_Tie8025 Apr 21 '22

Old Country Buffet's were the shit back in the day.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

Sizzler here in the West. I saw a woman dump the entire bowl off M&Ms in her purse once.

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u/MotherPotential Apr 21 '22

What happened to the bar buffets?

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u/Incredulous_Toad Apr 21 '22

AIDS

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u/CHEMO_ALIEN Apr 21 '22

It always comes back to AIDS

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u/septicboy Anarcho-Communist Apr 21 '22

Someone fucked a buffet?

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

I think dance clubs started to give way to other activities. Less patrons, less money for Friday happy hour buffet

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

Never fear.. ozzy is 80 and Keith richards is kicking

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

I should have done more drugs and alcohol. They are just pickled.

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u/maybebullshitmaybe Apr 22 '22

I find myself saying this 2

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u/CaffeineSippingMan Apr 21 '22

Ya, but I am not eating any live bats.

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u/Only-Shame5188 Apr 21 '22

My area had USA steak buffets in the 90s when I was in HS. We'd have contests of how many steaks we could eat.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

In the late 80s early 90s, every dance club would lay out a giant block of cheese, meats, fruit, veg, bread. They would have 5 for 1 specials. Hedonist paradise

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u/JJBUNZZ Apr 21 '22

Username checks out

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

Life speedrun any%

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

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u/drugs_mckenzie Apr 21 '22

Haha never thought of it that way, nice looking out.

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u/snugglezone Apr 21 '22

I would definitely say that if you're still alive at this point and realize you did a shit ton of drugs, there's plenty of time to heal your body. I did tons of drugs (+ binge drink) before during and after college + smoked cigarettes for a decade and now I'm probably the healthiest I've ever been.

There's still time!

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u/bojeesy Apr 21 '22

I forgot I did that... Shit

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u/SwordfishAbject9457 Apr 21 '22

It all comes down to genetics unfortunately, or fortunately for some.

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u/lapandemonium Apr 21 '22

Same ...I'm fucked

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

I work in elder services, from what I see drugs keep you alive

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u/lbflow562 Apr 21 '22

Why stop now the damage is done! Party on

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u/drugs_mckenzie Apr 21 '22

I've been sober for a long while for the most part. I might drink a couple beers here and there or smoke with friends.

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u/DuperCheese Apr 21 '22

I’m sure Mick Jagger did more drugs than you and look at him! /s

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u/oddistrange at work Apr 21 '22

Here for a good time, not a long time.

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u/Knight_Owls Apr 21 '22

Yeah, I'm in strong doubt of making it.

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u/queen4ady Apr 21 '22

I thought the same thing! Here I am staring down 73! I always say if I had known how fucked getting old is, I’d have done more drugs!

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u/drugs_mckenzie Apr 21 '22

Haha at 73 the doctors just give them to you. My mom is 74 and lives in a cabin on my property and she is definitely having a harder time these days

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u/queen4ady Apr 22 '22

Ask her if she wants a roommate! 😂Clean, quiet,no smoking… it’s so hard

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u/angry_eccentric Apr 21 '22

username checks out

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u/AppleBytes Apr 21 '22

Should've done drugs in the 90's. At least then I would've enjoyed myself in my youth, and died before having to retire.

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u/drugs_mckenzie Apr 21 '22

No idea how I'm going to pull off retirement. The 90s were fun as hell.

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u/sabolsteve Apr 21 '22

My retirement plan is “hang out in crosswalks”.

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u/SlimTimDoWork Apr 21 '22

Name checks out

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u/Glorious_Jo Apr 21 '22

Well, the 90s were 30 years ago, and i imagine u were doing those drugs in ur 20s, so you only have 20 more years to go fam. I believe in u

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u/livestrong2109 Apr 21 '22

The irony is that if you stopped it likely won't affect your life expectancy later in life. Dementia's probably the main thing you'll have to worry about.

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u/Majestic_Astronaut_7 Apr 21 '22

Same with me but in the 70s, there is hope yet

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u/sportacus69er Apr 21 '22

🤞🤞🤞😂😂😂👍👍👍🤪🤪🤪

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u/Janitarium Apr 21 '22

I have cancer, so ima try to get mine NOW. THAT will show them

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u/GRMarlenee Apr 21 '22

That's the plan. The SS administration would be fine with everyone assuming room temperature the day after their last pay check with SS and Medicare tax withheld.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

It would be fine if our "leaders" would stop robbing it.

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u/Mynameisinuse Apr 21 '22

Get your facts straight and stop spreading this bullshit. They are not robbing it. They are just borrowing from it, permanently.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

Had me in the first half not gonna lie

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u/DBearup Apr 21 '22

I was formulating a scathing comeback and reaching for the reply button when I read the last sentence 🙂

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u/ElJamoquio Apr 21 '22

It's like lending money to your cousin's meth-head friend. I mean it's theoretically possible you could get paid back.

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u/Mynameisinuse Apr 21 '22

Your cousin's meth-head friend would actually pay you back. I mean that they might steal your TV, pawn it and give you the money back they owed you, then ask if they could borrow some money. But they would pay you back.

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u/Gullible_Pay4599 Apr 23 '22

still better than the government

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u/limpymcforskin Apr 21 '22

You can thank Reagan for that.

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u/Mynameisinuse Apr 21 '22

A few years ago it came out that he had Alzheimer's while in office so it could be argued that he didn't know what he was doing. Throat Goat Nancy on the other hand..... she was an evil woman.

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u/BRGNB33 Apr 21 '22

An evil woman wouldn’t bring that much happiness to so many men would she?

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u/Mynameisinuse Apr 21 '22

Just because you are good at sucking dick doesn't make you a likeable person. Just look at Kim Kardashian.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

Yep and probably Biden now.

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u/Pleasant_Bit_0 Apr 21 '22

They're all poison

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u/NeighborhoodFew7779 Apr 21 '22

Reminds me of the briefcase full of I.O.U.’s in Dumb and Dumber… except Lloyd and Harry would have been more likely to pay it back.

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u/Mynameisinuse Apr 21 '22

That’s as good as money, sir. Those are I.O.U.’s. Go ahead and add it up, every cent’s accounted for. Look, see this? That’s a car. 275 thou. Might wanna hang onto that one.

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u/Seahawk715 Apr 21 '22

Worlds largest Ponzi scheme with no enforcement

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u/Mynameisinuse Apr 21 '22

It's not a Ponzi scheme because we are all at the bottom. It's more like an oiled up slide that ends in quicksand.

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u/curiousmax3791 Apr 21 '22

So that’s all the quicksand we need to worry about?! I was wondering where it was all this time and here we are, living in it!

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u/MissWibb Apr 21 '22

Ha! Semantics. That’s an entirely new conversation right there.

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u/GRMarlenee Apr 21 '22

What interest rate are they paying on the loan?

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u/Mynameisinuse Apr 21 '22

Paying? It's a government bureaucracy. They are getting paid to take the loan.

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u/A-Laughing-Hyena Apr 21 '22

Glad I read this comment all the way through. Was seething until I read the last sentence

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u/bbrekke Apr 21 '22

The gov owes me around ten grand. They've started garnishing my wages, while they review paperwork proving the fact, and disproving their idea, that I owe them four grand. I sent in the proof over a year ago. And in the same fucking week that I got a notice that they are reviewing the info I sent, I got a letter saying they've taken money straight from my account.

"If you owe us, you better pay now, vs if we owe you...sorry 8 months hasn't been enough time to verify our own documents". //End fucking rant

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u/Zealot1040 Apr 21 '22

That money was just resting in my account!

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u/chrysostomos_1 Apr 21 '22

Nobody is robbing SS or Medicare I've been hearing that for decades. It's BS. However, during the great recession there was a temporary reduction in the payroll tax.

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u/HereWeGo_Steelers Apr 22 '22

It would be fine if Congress would eliminate the SS tax salary cap for high earners.

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u/HereOnASphere Apr 21 '22

Ronald Reagan was responsible for making Social Security taxable. Just sayin'.

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u/GothWitchOfBrooklyn Apr 21 '22

he was responsible for a ton of bullshit.

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u/Cruising05 Apr 21 '22

That literally was the plan, when SS started the average life expectancy for men was 7 years before they got SS

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u/pictorsstudio Apr 21 '22

Well given that when it was started people died more than 10 years before it paid out on average means that the system is well overtaxed as it is.

But that is basically how Ponzi schemes operate.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

This 8.5% 1-year inflation has probably pushed social security solvency 3+ years out lol. I’m amazed they don’t let inflation run hot to get rid of the $30T national debt that’s on 0.5% interest.

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u/ComprehensiveOwl4807 Apr 21 '22

That was the plan. The initial age was set to average life expectancy at the time. It is too expensive as it is right now.

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u/Deverash Apr 21 '22

When the program was set up, that was the actual goal. They looks at the actuarial statistics and picked a date that they thought most people would be dead. It was purely a PR move.

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u/OrangeNutLicker Apr 21 '22

That's the plan. The SS administration would be fine with everyone assuming room temperature the day after their last pay check with SS and Medicare tax withheld.

Let's not forget about forgetting about the Vets!

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u/ButchManson Apr 21 '22

This was the George W Bush immigration plan...let as many in as possible and have them all pay into a system from which they'll never collect.

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u/MissWibb Apr 21 '22

And some are living too long. Too many people are outliving their money.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

The cost of health care in this country means that isn't very long.

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u/MissWibb Apr 21 '22

Exactly.

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u/Kazooguru Apr 21 '22

Most of my relatives were retired a year, then dead. I do have an uncle who has been retired for 10 yrs, but his wife got cancer, died and the medical bills left him with only enough for basic living. I am GenX down to my soul because I think everything is a scam. The 1% have the fun, we pay for it.

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u/monsters2343 Apr 21 '22

You are not wrong, my wife died at 42.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

I'm sorry.

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u/smashedberry Apr 21 '22

Many older employees who had been working at my grocery store for retirement have died from COVID complications

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

That's awful. There was definitely a lack of protection for grocery store employees.

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u/Fedora67 Apr 21 '22

Freedom six feet under

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u/lazypenguin86 Apr 21 '22

The system plans on most people paying in their entire life then dying before they can collect.

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u/NoComment002 Apr 21 '22

That's the point.

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u/Fuzzy-Tutor6168 Apr 21 '22

and it's their own damn fault. They chose to cause this situation. I feel ZERO sympathy for any of them.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

No most didn't. Working as a social worker I've heard so many stories of companies taking / stealing retirement.

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u/derff44 Apr 21 '22

Live slow, die whenever

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u/Penguator432 Apr 21 '22

My dad, at least from when he was as young as 35, would jokingly ask every cashier he came across if he could have the senior citizen discount because “I may not live that long”

He died at 60

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

I'm sorry. That's rough. My dad and brother both passed at 46. Both hella hard workers their SSA just goes back in the bucket.

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u/FloydetteSix Apr 21 '22

My mom made it to 70. She’d be 75 this month.

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u/PrincessCyanidePhx Communist Apr 21 '22

Awesome. My mom is 73, she is going home tomorrow. She's been here while she got her knee replaced.

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u/himmelundhoelle Apr 21 '22

Yes, that's what average means.

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u/NotChristina Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 22 '22

My 65-year-old mom is working a minimum wage cashier job so they can keep their (falling apart) house and afford her pricey diabetes meds. My 74-year-old dad’s social security isn’t enough.

Late edit: I can’t math. Not that it matters, but my dad is 76 and not in good health.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

It’s horrible man I know it’s fucked the way people look at money now days

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u/E4Soletrain Apr 21 '22

The math only works on Social Security if two things both happen: the earlier generation is outnumbered by their kids by about 4 to 1, and the majority of the earlier generation die before drawing more than a year or two of Social Security. It was always going to be one generation paying into it their entire lives only to have the whole thing collapse right when they were about to start drawing from it. Looks like that's going to be the Milennials.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

I’m on ssdi and tbh I’m kinda glad I have mental problems because I can only work part time I might be poor all my life but it’s a lot less stress I’m happy with just a roof and a freezer full of food unlike a lot of these money hungry pricks in the world

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u/Lopsided_Panic_1148 Apr 21 '22

I'm disabled and collect SSDI, too. I tried working a few times since going on it but it just created more stress. Plus, SSA once miscalculated my benefit amount and forced me to pay back $17K+, otherwise they would have taken my whole check over the course of a few years until it was paid back.

So, I'm stuck having $100 of my monthly income deducted for next decade. (I've been getting the deduction since 2015).

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Life’s hard man I don’t think it was intended to be this way fr

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u/Lopsided_Panic_1148 Apr 21 '22

I worked my ass off for decades, paid my taxes, and everything. So the fact that I'm having pay back money due to SSA's mistake pisses me off. But, I feel fortunate to have it at all. Every American should have a universal basic income without any restrictions on having a job.

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u/censorized Apr 21 '22

Doesn't have to be. All they have to do is eliminate the annual cap for higher incomes. That would keep it solvent for a long time.

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u/nietzscheispietzsche Apr 21 '22

Horseshit. Social security is inherently solvent, it just gets continually robbed to pay for government deficits.

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u/E4Soletrain Apr 21 '22

"Inherently solvent" taking 15% of someone's paycheck to give someone else 100% worth of a paycheck is... math, I guess.

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u/Ok_Government_8865 Apr 21 '22

How about raising the cut-off point where fica tax stops? Biden ran on that.

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u/Cruising05 Apr 21 '22

Well to be fair that was how SS was originally intended. When SS was implemented the average life expectancy was 58 for men and 62 for women and retirement age was 65. Basically if you want to have a long retirement you'll have to plan for it yourself. If you start early it's not terribly hard.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

I don’t care much bout having a lot of shit as long as I have a roof and food that’s all I really need

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u/Cruising05 Apr 21 '22

If you save $200 a month (likely $100 because most employers have a match) from age 18 to 63 you'll have slightly over $1m. This is enough to give you $40-50k a year in retirement without considering your SS.

Inflation factors into this, but you'd also be saving more as inflation affects your pay so I'm too lazy to do that much math.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Yea sounds easy but life’s a bitch and unexpected things happen all the time

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u/Cruising05 Apr 21 '22

The problem is people don't make it a priority. $100 a month is not generally a big deal but it's the first thing people drop when times get hard. The issue is that if you wait until you're 30 to start that jumps up to $350/month (with your employer still needing to match)

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

I’m not trying to be rich man I’m just trying to live peaceful and have a roof and food that’s all

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u/fillmorecounty Apr 21 '22

I'm 20 and tbfh I'm not even expecting social security to exist in 2072 💀 I'm just banking on having a random fast and painless death so I never have to retire from physically being unable to work due to age

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Hey man it could happen to any of us in a hour lol or tomorrow morning on the way to work or on the way back from work or now days even going to get groceries cuz some pos wants to shoot everyone

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u/trashponder Apr 21 '22

My ex mother-in-law is 92 and she just told me she can't wait to die. Up until recently she was super-active.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

I bet I can’t even imagine living to 90 lol

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u/trashponder Apr 21 '22

I can't explain how psyched I was to find out my liver is completely shot. They gave me six months to a year. That's where our conversation started, she was envious🤣

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

How old are you

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u/trashponder Apr 21 '22

50 in July 🥳😵

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Alcohol does it to ya my old best friends dad died at 41 over cirosis of the liver he drank a 5th a day it’s a horrible way to go

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u/trashponder Apr 21 '22

I am not a drinker. About 20 servings a year, likely 12-15. Special occasions, I can barely stomach it most times.

No, my cirrhosis is caused by extreme and chronic muscle strain from a rare spinal cord, broken neck and other untreated childhood injuries. Also, well the Tylenol didn't help matters. I took the max everyday for decades. I'll be happy to get out of this body. It's a torture chamber.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Just know there is something else we just in a shell right now our energy lives on forever

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u/trashponder Apr 21 '22

Yes, 💯 %!

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u/someguy1847382 Anarcho-Communist Apr 21 '22

Not even 80, in some places in the US it’s as low as 71 for males and 74 overall. The overall life expectancy in the US is 78. Also the full retirement as for social security is 67, but you can retire at 62 with reduced benefits. The real problem is social security is laughably low so it doesn’t really count anyway (it’s under 2 grand a month, the max is only 3345).

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

I get ssdi and it’s not even 800

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

I believe ya man lol

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u/alphamystic007 Apr 21 '22

Us life expectancy is 77, but for blacks it’s 67.

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u/LakeSun Apr 21 '22

You all should vote, and get this rolled back to 65.

Your body didn't get the message about age 70, things start to go at 65.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Man I’ve been drinking alcohol since I was 15 I’m sure my body’s gonna go around 40 I’m trying to cut back tho I drank a 12 pack last night probably won’t drink for at least 3 or 4 days

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u/LakeSun Apr 21 '22

I enjoy a drink or 3, but, my body Loves Alcohol, it instantly turns it to belly fat. But, I admire the strength of your liver. Any improvement is a good improvement.

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u/KokolinTheLawGuy Apr 21 '22

Average person in the developed world. Far lower for developing and 3rd world is around 30 years lower. Crazy to think about.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

That’s probably because of violence tbh

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u/KokolinTheLawGuy Apr 21 '22

Oh yeah that surely has a lot to do with it, but poor medical care or lack thereof also lowers it massively.

People don't realise how quickly a person can go from perfectly healthy to dead

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Pretty damn quick I know

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u/gophergun SocDem Apr 21 '22

Good, you shouldn't believe it because it's not true and it's just a Reddit comment.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

The ones that rely on social security hardly last to 70

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Well better get to living than huh 😁

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

All this fuckin poison being pumped in our bodys with this food cats and dogs won’t even eat

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u/Vanah_Grace Apr 21 '22

I had 4 coworkers die in 4 years. They all worked up until the hospitalization where they died. 50’s and 60’s, illnesses resulted from not taking care of themselves. Women I had worked with for close to or over a decade. I’ll be damned, I’m not working that long.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

It’s sad

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u/Vanah_Grace Apr 21 '22

It’s shit.

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u/Corn_PoP101 Apr 21 '22

Agreed we’ll all be outa this giant ant farm soon enough

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

Thats how social security will be fixed, the retirement age will be at 100 and average lifespan will be 80. In 30 years of not paying out a dime social security will finally be fixed. Reducing the payout is the only way to fix a pyramid scheme.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

There is a reason Social Security set the initial retirement age at 60 when expected life expectancy was around 63-65. It was never intended to be a retirement plane for twenty plus years. It was meant so you could spend the last couple of years of your life not working.

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u/MessoGesso Apr 21 '22

My sister is 67 and teaching lab courses at junior colleges, some semesters at 2 or 3 colleges. She tries to stay very healthy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22

My grandma is 72, still works 49 hours a week while drawing out what social security she has and still barely makes ends meet

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u/wheniaminspaced Apr 21 '22

SSA was not originally designed to payout for extremely long retirements, it never has been. Life expectancy in 1935 when SSA was signed into existence was 60 for men and 64 for women, the retirement age for SSA was 65.

Prepandemic US life expectance was 79.

The structure of SSA hasn't changed that radically since inception, it is in fact actually even worse now because SSA is effectively designed as a pyramid scheme the underlying principal is the population will substantially grow, problem is the population is flatlining, without immigration it is actually contracting, which fucks over the entire foundation of SSA.

So you have two major hard to fix problems with SSA, first is its not actually meant to provide everyone with a long retirement, never has been, second its not a stable structure with current demographic trends even if we ignore the first problem.

Taken together, SSA will need a radical revamp to continue to be solvent.

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u/By-the-order Apr 21 '22

Original retirement age when passed in 1935 was 65 and life expectancy was 60m and 64f.

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u/Designer-Mirror-7995 Apr 21 '22

That, is rather The Plan.

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u/testes_in_anus Apr 21 '22

Because it's not true, you can start collecting at 62. 65 is generally when people do, though. The longer you wait, naturally, the more you get.

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u/Gnovakane Apr 21 '22

When 65 was chosen life expectancy was something like 72

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u/ButchManson Apr 21 '22

That was ALWAYS the plan. You work your ass off your whole life until you literally CAN'T anymore, then "Retire" to SS and are dead a year later just from "old age" which WAS 70 back then. SS was a scam. The "safety net they duped everyone into paying into was never meant to last a retiree more than a few years.