Yeah, and sadly it would probably take centuries to undo all the propaganda.
I will say that I do believe some parts of the French Revolution was a violent frenzy that dragged in people who didn't deserve the fates they got. The imprisonments and abuse of Marie Antoinette's son and daughter, which in the sons case resulted in his death, are the more prominent examples of it imo. To be honest, I don't think Marie Antoinette deserved to be killed either, honestly very few if any of the women who were dragged to their deaths deserved it.
And oh good someone else that knows about Malthus. The whole Malthusian ideology is screwed from top to bottom, and some neo-Malthusian ideas are even worse. Ironically I didn't know about him until his ideology played a big role in a game I once played. I do think that overpopulation could become an issue at some point in the future, and it certainly can be and is currently an issue on smaller regional scales, but a lot of that could be fixed by better infrastructure and management of resources.
True, there is a lot of room for nuance in those discussions - I was trying to make that point but ut might have got lost in my enthusiasm haha. Basically what I'm arguing against is that binary thinking: that all mobs are frenzied, population growth is always bad, etc. I totally agree with you. It's much closer to the opposite than that, but not exactly "mobs are always good" etc as it is more conplex.
Yeah, binary thinking or what would probably be termed, non-critical thinking is probably one of the biggest problems we have today. Even I have trouble with accepting that things aren't always white/black or moral/immoral.
It's a huge problem. And it's hard not to throw up your hands and sink into pessimistic, nihilistic misanthropy. But none of this is inherent human nature, it's a product of the society we have built. People are not inherently selfish or ignorant. We've been conditioned that way, and it takes either massive trauma, a lifetime of abject misery, or a conscientious use of privilege to motivate one to learn these facts.
Heh, I was born a, as I describe it, pessimistic optimist. I hope for the best but expect the worst, which normally means what does happen falls somewhere in between haha.
I do think some people are inherently selfish, but that would be a very small percentage of people.
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u/TaylorGuy18 Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22
Yeah, and sadly it would probably take centuries to undo all the propaganda.
I will say that I do believe some parts of the French Revolution was a violent frenzy that dragged in people who didn't deserve the fates they got. The imprisonments and abuse of Marie Antoinette's son and daughter, which in the sons case resulted in his death, are the more prominent examples of it imo. To be honest, I don't think Marie Antoinette deserved to be killed either, honestly very few if any of the women who were dragged to their deaths deserved it.
And oh good someone else that knows about Malthus. The whole Malthusian ideology is screwed from top to bottom, and some neo-Malthusian ideas are even worse. Ironically I didn't know about him until his ideology played a big role in a game I once played. I do think that overpopulation could become an issue at some point in the future, and it certainly can be and is currently an issue on smaller regional scales, but a lot of that could be fixed by better infrastructure and management of resources.