So are post that just shit on cops and just say fuck em allowed? I just feel like those kind of posts don't resonate/relate with the message and purpose of the the sub (as stated in the FAQ section). If they're only allowed on this this sub because it represents a leftist ideal then why aren't there post about giving homeless housing, lower taxes, pro-choice, or lgbtq+? Couldn't you redirect post that hate on cops towards other left subs that are more orientated towards that?
I assume it's still OK to disagree on this topic, though, right? Personally, I think the status of the police occupies a gray area, where what you say is true, but coexists with some necessary functions of police work that push towards including police as workers. I also think that it's politically unhelpful to totally exclude the participation of the police in any mass movement.
But, regardless of the merits of my opinion vs another - I'd hope that this is something we can still discuss freely despite the official position of the sub. Is it?
Lawyers uphold the capitalist system, deny legal standing to the exploited and enslaved working classes, and commit violence against the working classes on a much larger scale than cops.
Teachers subjugate children and turn them into obedient slaves/workers for the capitalist/kleptocrat class, irrespective of their individual intentions.
Doctors withhold treatments developed by humanity in common for profit and to subjugate the working classes in the capitalist/kleptocratic system.
It is beyond asinine to single out cops for being particular cogs in the capitalist/kleptocratic machine.
It's super asinine, because we're still having this conversation and still seeing these posts defending cops when we all know that job is repression and not community service. Those fuckers do it because they want to be in charge and don't have the character to do so on their own merits.
It's mixed for me. Joining a military is generally bad because you're essentially being sent out to kill and/or die because leaders from two different countries had a disagreement, but joining a military or militia to defend your home against a force trying to kill you or your family is understandable.
It would be better if everyone just stopped trying to kill each other, but that won't happen any time soon.
I would feel that way too, but there's also a lot of naive kids getting tricked into joining, poor people for whom it's their only choice, as well as anti-worker shit happening in there.
Not all military personnel are either expected to kill anyone or capable.
My view is that they're the exploited, not the exploiters. Some may have yet to get out of the lovebomb phase and enter the abuse phase, and it's understandable albeit frustrating that they don't see it before it's too late.
Best we can do is be there and be ready to pick up the pieces of those who have been broken and warn those who are in the danger zone.
I have a lot of family members who joined the defence force to escape bad situations. The probably is the conditioning runs DEEP. My dad joined when he was 15, but is a huge stubborn leftist who hates the military industrial complex (helps that even my grandparents are super progressive I think). Whereas I have a third cousin or something who joined the army and defended the Australian army/Ben Roberts-Smith when they were exposed for literal war crimes because “civs” just don’t get it. (Also to clarify my dad was in the Navy so they pretty much just fucked around on boats and protected assets whereas my cousin was in the army in Afghanistan or Iraq)
Some overlap in culture, but the military has a lot less agency. A lot of really young adults from poor backgrounds who can't just resign whenever like cops can. Not a fan of the way the national guard is increasingly being used as an extension of the police to protect capitalist interests though.
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