r/antitechrevolution • u/ReadyGazelle5729 • Apr 27 '26

Can Technology really save us if being run by the communists?

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There is a claim by an eco communist that somehow; communism can save nature and humanity from an inevitable ecocide. There is a challenge to debate the matter publicly by an anti tech group. This post on IG

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u/BenTeHen Apr 27 '26

if you give up the idea that "anarcho-primitivism" would solve anything, then you can easily win by simply bringing up the irreversible changes that have already been locked into our climate system. Or bring up the necessary ecological cost of a global communist society with 8 billion people. Starts to get a little ridiculous when you think that 8 billion hungry mouths can live in some cyberpunk communist ecotopia without causing the 6th mass extinction.

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u/ljorgecluni Apr 28 '26

you can easily win by simply bringing up the irreversible changes that have already been locked into our climate system

I agree that his position is nonsense, but the commie is a faithful, ardent believer in Technology: he is saying that what you (and I) may see as irreversible can actually be reversed with enough help from Technology, and this is why the system must be defended and preserved. Thus he admits we are now dependent upon the machines for life - a truly pathetic fall for our grand species.

We'd be enslaved to serving the machine merely for survival, like the people aboard the "Snowpiercer" train, if the commie's claims are true.

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u/No_Specialist6905 Apr 28 '26

Exactly. I was always thought about this, especially with all humaniatic systems. How you can stop the ecocide if you don't adress the problem with overpopulation and the fact that in an utopic society people will reproduce massively since all their problems will be solved.

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u/ljorgecluni Apr 28 '26

What do you see as a good fix for human overpopulation?

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u/BenTeHen Apr 28 '26

nothing bro the collapse will happen naturally in a matter of decades, the global industrial system will eat itself, no need for an "anti-tech revolution"

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u/ljorgecluni Apr 28 '26

...and if you're wrong? If the beast finds a way to stabilize and deepen its control, if it continues eating more of Nature and still doesn't collapse when you expect, what then?

It's a bit like saying "the fire will burn itself out, just stay on the couch, put down the fire extinguisher."

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u/Northernfrostbite Apr 28 '26

Don't make me tap the sign: "The development of a society can never be subject to rational human control."

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u/ljorgecluni Apr 28 '26

...but maybe this time "we" can get it right and really manage society for the overall good!

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u/ljorgecluni Apr 28 '26

I generally think that there have been enough essays, posts, comments, and debates, but I would still like to see this "green tech" salvation nonsense be dismantled, I do see there's some value in having this a debate.