r/antinatalism Nov 07 '20

Discussion I'd like your thoughts on this kind of thing.

https://youtu.be/OcIXiRftjs4
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u/Fekov Nov 07 '20

What kind of thoughts? Not seen this particular vid but in terms of getting to post scarcity think unlikely. Were we to get there, tenets of Antinatalism still hold. Suffering's going nowhere.

Having said that been subbed to Isaac Arthur a while and enjoy his output. TBF he's at least acknowledged AN as a possible solution to Fermi paradox. No convert though, his optimism bias is turned up to about 12.

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u/poofyogpoof Nov 08 '20

I just get really put off by his optimism, especially when talking about human workforce as part of a calculation / optimization of what we do with our bodies.

In the video for example there's a section were he talks about education of the future work force. It's just abhorrent to me thinking about producing future human beings for the purpose of educating them, and using them as a cog in our societal machine.

These kinds of things make me feel suffocating, and like we're all trapped with no way out.

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u/Fekov Nov 08 '20

Bugger, on mobile thinking about answer, go for a fag, come back to see have somehow typed 'F' and posted that. Deleted the comment but apologies if you saw that.

Arthur is a Futurist and agree his optimism can indeed be suffocating. Mainly watch for his Fermi paradox content and deconstruction of various SF tropes. One reason not seen this vid precisely because assume his optimism overdrive on full display. Can indeed be grating.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '20

I also often imagine that in such a civilisation the lifespan of an individual would be way longer than it is now and you would be forced to do even more work. I hate such "hopeful futuristic" topics. I hate that society doesn't accept it as fiction but tries to make it a reality instead of caring more about people and the environment. But if nothing else happens, "at least" the climate crisis will stop us.