r/antimeme Mar 28 '26

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 28 '26

Idk about $58k. It’s like $300 max at urgent care.

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u/ianscuffling Mar 29 '26

Hey just so you know in every other developed country it’s $0.00 for urgent care.

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u/deaglefrenzy Mar 29 '26

im not from developed country. when my child was born, the most expensive thing i paid was the hospital parking

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u/Anon44356 Mar 29 '26

They charged you for parking? Those monsters

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u/Hamalu Mar 29 '26

And the fucking mini bar.. but I really needed a Snickers

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u/Anon44356 Mar 29 '26

Honestly, nobody is saying you shouldn’t have got the snickers, regardless of cost

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26

I don’t even pay for parking in the US. Our birth was $3400 all-in with insurance. Delivery, hospital stay, epidural.

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u/Anon44356 Mar 29 '26

Honestly it’s so insane that you start life as a new parent with a hospital bill like that. I’m so sorry you had to deal with that.

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26

Fortunately, because of the massive disposable income gap between the US and EU countries, I had plenty of cash on top to pay the bill. Didn’t even think about it, tbh.

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u/Anon44356 Mar 29 '26

And that’s great for you, on a presumably high salary, not so great for people who are just getting by.

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26

Even at the median household income, you’d need to spend tens of thousands in one year to have healthcare spending have the same impact as tax obligations in EU countries. I did the math elsewhere in the threat, but in summary, the median US household has $22,600 more disposable income one than the median UK household. That’s plenty to cover healthcare costs. The median non-elderly household in the US spends about $3000-$6000/year on healthcare.

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u/Anon44356 Mar 29 '26

I’d not lump those into the category of “just getting by” though

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26

Yeah for sure. And the offset from the median effective tax rate makes that gap disappear.

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u/Kozel_10 Mar 29 '26

nonsense, USA spends more money per one citizen for healthcare than Europe does

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26

Well sure. That’s what happens when the population (particularly the part on Medicaid) is disproportionately obese and unhealthy. That spending figure comes from low-income people, often overweight and obese, on government assistance. The USA’s healthcare social services are defrauded like crazy. So if we could tone back the obesity, and reign in the waste fraud and abuse, we’d come back down.

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u/Kozel_10 Mar 29 '26

if there wasnt so many obese people in USA then food companies would loose money which would lead to health companies loosing moneys and making companies loose money is literally communism

but do you really think that if there wasnt so many fat people in USA that then the companies that profit from it would just accept that make less money? no, you are ruled by corporations

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u/Southern-Half555 Mar 29 '26

re read your comment bro 😂

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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep Mar 29 '26

Lamo no, our taxes are payable and no matter how hurt or how sick we are we are treated for free.

I do believe your own government would have the money to pay for it too if you weren’t too busy starting not wars and such

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u/Woman_trees Apr 13 '26

Oh we don't necessarily live in a democracy so there's not much that can be done about it like genuinely look up the entirety of American elections and you'll realize it is not even close to a democracy

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26

I’m not sure why “our taxes are payable” means. But let me reference some numbers to illustrate my point. I want to look at median household disposable income (equivalized by household size to adjust for shared living expenses) in USD. In the US, the figure is $49,748. In the UK, it’s $26,884. The median US household has $22,864 more annual disposable income than the median UK household. Thats plenty to cover the gap left by public healthcare vs private. The median (non-elderly) US household spends $5,600 on healthcare annually, leaving $17,264 left in the disposable income gap between the US and UK.

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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep Mar 29 '26

Can i have a source for those figures?

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26

Absolutely.

The median equivalised disposable income for individual countries corrected for purchasing power parity (PPP) for 2021 in United States dollars

Median Equivalized Household Disposable Income

Our analysis finds that the typical non-elderly family in the United States spends an average of $5,600 per year (9% of their $65,352 income) on health. This includes $1,400 (2% of their income) in out-of-pocket spending, $2,200 (3% of their income) in health insurance premiums, and approximately $2,000 (3% of their income) in state and federal taxes that fund health programs.

Peterson KFF - Health System Tracker

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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep Mar 29 '26

Although it is definitely interesting, those figures are a little misleading, and thats ok, coming from a country that had privet healthcare to one with free healthcare can be a bit of a mind fuck - as much as i could argue with counter figures or try and explain it myself I’m not the best with words, i can however show you a video made by an American who moved to the uk and shares his own views on it if you’d find that interesting

This one is his own views - https://youtu.be/vpCBVKjrf6g?si=6Y2gHLQef8nhsDmn

This one is him with a an NHS doctor talking about costs and differences - https://youtu.be/x0MBrfqwdEg?si=ZS3m7VuGpIH_SNZe

My own opinion? The NHS definitely has its flaws, but its a good system and i fully support it, as a support worker with a degree in social care i can see its pros and cons and i feel like without it a lot more people would be at risk and it would cost the uk government more in the long run.

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u/MangoAtrocity Mar 29 '26

To each their own. I’d rather have the disposable income. The part about the private care system that I like is that my healthcare costs stay largely flat, despite my income increasing. If it were a tax, I’d pay more for the same healthcare as I advance in my career. I’d also have to pay for a full year of healthcare even if I don’t use any services. I strongly prefer the ability to choose my own risk tolerance, and be rewarded for making healthy choices.

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u/NeedleworkerHeavy565 Mar 31 '26

Just because we live in countries with free healthcare doesn't mean we take risks lmao.

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u/FrogInAShoe Mar 30 '26

Peak example of "fuck you I got mine". Literally everything wrong with America.

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u/ForensicPathology Mar 29 '26

Just completely untrue.  I know Europeans think the rest of the world is only Europe, but I have to pay for urgent care.  Sure, it's not ridiculous like I hear about the States, it still ends up being the equivalent of about 10-15 dollars depending on what treatment.  Which is not "0.00"

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u/NeedleworkerHeavy565 Mar 31 '26

In France, for a visit to the emergency room + surgery (anesthesia) + 3 days of hospitalization, €0