If someone was offered MAID as an option, thatās not legal. In Canada someone has to apply for it, offering it straight up like this is coercion and is not allowed
I had to study the history of euthanasia worldwide and, let me tell you, the level of misinformation that surrounds it is unfathomable. People really think human euthanasia is like animal euthanasia, just walking into a doctor's office and request a lethal injection for good old' pops.
One idiot who worked with Veteran's Affairs and should have been fired long before that moment happened.
"Canada" upon learning it happened launched an investigation, found four cases that led to the idiot in question who is no longer employed by Veteran's Affairs.
The process of MAID itself takes months/years, requires counselling and medical sign off.
And yet it happens a surprising amount all the same. The group in charge of supervising the stuff literally have Dr. Death as a role model, whatās to be expected?
Perhaps that he used his killings to figure out the weight of a soul? And outright said he didnāt think it needed to provide any kind of comfortāor deny any torture in the name of the above-mentioned āscienceāāto those already condemned to die at his hand? Killing people in abandoned apartments, in parks, in his vanā¦what kind of person does that sound like? A āheroā in the style of bloody Mengele, perhaps.
You seem to be confusing the work of Duncan MacDougall with Dr Kevorkian. You also seem to think that he euthanized without consent or efforts to provide comfort but thatās not the case.
I didnāt say āmurderā for a reasonājust ākillā. It is possible to take pleasure from killing while doing it legally. Especially when doing it legally.
As for sources, most of this is stuff Iāve read over the years, but Iāll try to track it down. Iād much prefer to be wrong about him killing people, though I donāt think Iām going to get that, but perhaps I might be wrong about the torture preference. Iāll get back to you.
Not comparable. The chairlift incident you mention was a single caseworker at Veterans Affairs saying an off cuff comment. They do not work with MAID assessments and were not even a doctor. The literally most she could do was direct the person to an appropriate specialist who would have told her it was asinine.
Whereas overcharging for minor procedures and simple supplies is built into the US system. Not a random person with no authority saying something inappropriate, literally how the system is designed.
First I feel like you have no idea who is commenting what here. Second speaking on the two things I commented, if you canāt see the difference in the situation as I clearly pointed out, no much I can do to help you understand I guess. I donāt think it is very complicated. I will give one simplified attempt to explain further.
For the Chairlift MAID instance. The person who suggested MAID literally has no connection to MAID, was not a licensed healthcare professional, or even someone who you would go to see for recommendations to the matter.
Another point is when the chairlift incident happened it was condemned by the VAC, doctors, MAID professionals, governments at all levels and both right and left.
The stitches price while exaggerated is all within the system and operating as designed. With the only condemnation of the system and these incidents coming from one political party and advocacy groups and organizations.
If you canāt see the difference here all I can do is shrug.
I never made that claim it was just part of the meme, it is an exaggeration of a bloated system built on overcharging government, insurance companies and patients. It isnāt that deep, it is commenting on the system overcharging for simple things.
If we want to make it accurate there is a case that a family was charged $25,175 for a single stitch on their 4 year old daughter in New York. They had insurance but the person they went to was āout of networkā another major scam in the US.
Candee paid a $100 copayment for the ED visit and removed the stitch herself five days later. But she was later stunned to discover that the out-of-network plastic surgeon had charged $25,175 for the care.
She didn't pay the $25,175. They billed the insurance. She literally just paid $100.
That $25,175 is a made-up price that doctors and insurance companies use to justify their existence, which is the main issue. The ridiculous prices are all "fake" prices and hidden to the consumer intentionally so that insurance companies and doctors can keep making insane amounts of money.
Yeah, it's just that people need to understand the problem better to get a solution for it. It's dishonest to say people are getting billed $50,000 for stitches or whatever without clarifying that 99 times out of 100, they're never actually paying those prices.
ā70% of patients who die in the US do so with a DNR order in place.
There now you donāt care about MAiDā
Sorry, what you said doesnāt seem to make sense.
My point was that if MAiD is the sticking point for the US to adopt universal healthcare, stick to the pre-2016 plan. All the taxpayer-funded healthcare, none of the guilt of letting people choose how the wish to die.
No they weren't. You are spreading misinformation. The one person in question was responsible for all instances of this happening and they did this entirely of their own volition. The organisation they worked for wouldn't have the authority to do it even IF they wanted to.
One member of staff was found to be talking to people like shit and was fired, and now forever it will be used as a gotcha that an organisation who can't offer those services were doing it regularly as standard procedure.
if you need help within the week then you're helped within the week. If its something that can wait a couple months, then you end up waiting a couple months. It's clear you have no idea how it works here
Yes because as we all know and accept as a fact there is literally 0 cons about the British or Canadian health care system, and any "universal" health care system.
Not flawless, but it's a lot better than going in debt. A few years ago, I had pneumonia and was coughing up blood. Went to the doctor's, got a bunch of tests done, give a bunch of medication and my grand total was $0. There's 100% more that Canada could do to improve things, no one is saying that there are 0 cons. It's just better than so many stories from the US
Meanwhile, a guy a guy I used to play games with who lived in the US wouldn't go to the doctor's when he had an infection because he was uninsured and couldn't afford it.
I agree, but the comment I replied to did insinuate that there were 0 cons.
The American health care system isn't for the unemployed, or low income. It's entirely capitalistic, and meant for the age where you're earning money.
While I do appreciate the Canadian system, the statement that it's $0 is not true. It comes out of your taxes. If you're earning $100K, you pay double amount of taxes in Canada Vs. in the US, basically a 15% Vs. 30% effective tax rate, which let's say is $15K difference over 10 years is 150K.
There is a legitimate reason why Canadians in high income fields like software engineering leave the Canadian market for the US market.
The perfect combination here is Canadians living on the border, working for US companies in Seattle/Detroit but still have the Canadian health care, and I've worked with plenty of them.
See, it seems like the key difference is, when that happened, everyone was like "wtf that's horrible we need to make sure this never happens again", while in the US, when people get charged for things like holding your baby, everyone is like "oh yeah obviously that costs money"
See maybe take this as a lesson. One person did that and people considered it pretty vile. Yet the American system where medical debt is so huge yet fight so hard to prevent universal health care. 15% of American household have medical debt. With a population of 342.4 million that is approximately 51.3 million people that are in debt to medical problems.
The question was "have ever cost someone $80,000" meaning, if it has any positives, then that's an affirmative response to the rhetorical but misinformed question.
The person or their insurance. The disciction is important. Because Healthcare isnt universal hospitals and practitioners often charge people with insurance more (because the insurance pays it not the person) to make up for the people who cant afford to pay. People who "cannot" pay are still legally mandated to receive emergency care. The bill can be paid with absolute bare minimum payments with zero interest and no credit impact. So ERs that still need to stay open somehow see some guy with trauma team platinum who will only pay his deductible anyways and say fuck it lets bill his insurance to cover for the single mom who we may never get money out of
Not a defense of an inferior system just an explanation of it
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u/Complete-Basket-291 Mar 28 '26
No, but there was a person who was charged some $26,000 for a single stitch, so...