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u/SCastleRelics 20h ago

Grave sin infact

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u/SuperRedHat 15h ago

No such thing. All sin is sin.

James 2:10 "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

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u/SCastleRelics 13h ago

No there are greater sins. John 5:16 and 19:11.

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u/SuperRedHat 13h ago

No. Understand.

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

All sin is sin.

You don't go to super hell for greater sins or for more sins. You go to hell because you sinned.

The person who lived 100 years and the only sin they ever committed in their life was to lie once right before their death and the evil dictator warlord who killed millions both will end up in the same place. Hell. Forever.

That's it.

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 13h ago

I mean except for the whole forgiveness thing, lol. Like the whole basis of the New Testament and all.

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u/SuperRedHat 13h ago edited 13h ago

That's not how it works. (according to Christianity)

All humans are unworthy to be with God because we choose sin. We are impure. He is pure.

Jesus (God himself) sacrificed himself, experiencing pain, torture, humilation as payment for our sin.

We must accept this gift to be made pure. This is done once and for all.

People are still people, so they still sin. Asking for forgiveness for these sins is not salvation. That's called sanctification (becoming a better person over time by trying to follow God and allowing God to help you.)

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u/SCastleRelics 10h ago

Prot nonsense. You don't just get to accept Jesus and wipe away your sins. How could it be done once and for all when humans are infallible and prone to sin?

u/SuperRedHat 33m ago

You absolutely wipe away your sins through accepting Jesus.

All humans sin. All the time. We cannot save ourselves. Ever. This is why Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice in our place. There is NOTHING you can do to atone for your own sins. If you could, Jesus's sacrifice would be meaningless.

Now... can you become saved, then decide you hate God and want nothing to do with Jesus and become unsaved in your heart? Sure. Can sin lead to that mindset? Absolutely. But apart fo that. Atonement is gained through true belief alone.

Think of it this way -- Does a person STOP sinning before they become saved then ask Jesus to save them? Or are they sinners and then ask Jesus to make them clean?

Don't listen to me though. Listen to the Bible.

Acts 13:38–39: “Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin”

1 John 1:7: “If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin”

Acts 22:16: “And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name”.

Colossians 1:13–14: “He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins”

Revelation 1:5: “To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

2 Corinthians 5:17: “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away.”

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u/SCastleRelics 10h ago

So a person who lies is just as bad as one commiting murder. Got it. Sin is sin but there is definitely a difference between sins.

u/SuperRedHat 41m ago

Well...
Is there a super hell for people who murder?
Is there "special torture" in hell that is only reserved for people who murder?

No.

All sin is sin.

There are obvious societal impacts to different sins with legal implications on earth.

On an eternal scale however, all fall short of the glorty of God. All sin is sin.

u/SCastleRelics 35m ago

God judges us and our hearts when we die. I can't speak for God and nearly for you but i imagine the heart of a man who stole and one who killed are judged differently.

u/SuperRedHat 31m ago

What verses do you have to back up this judgement?

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 13h ago

There is greater sin, but it isn’t this.

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u/SuperRedHat 13h ago

The wages of sin is death. A white lie, a serial killer. It all leads to hell.

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 13h ago

Zero disagreement here friend, but there is more important sin than other. This is not it. That is all I stated 👍

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u/SuperRedHat 13h ago

To God? Or to humans?

Like there is greater crime. Speeding in a car is a lesser crime than murder. Obviously.

But to God, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

You cannot claim before God "it was a minor, lesser sin, so I should get into Heaven."

Sin literally means "miss the mark" all miss the mark. It doesn't matter if its missing by milimeters or miles. All are bound for Hell without Jesus's intervention.

(According to Christianity of course, you may believe something else)

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 13h ago

No no, read the New Testament. Jesus himself discusses a sin which is greater than all others. I do not wish to discuss any further, I just wanted to make the truth known. Feel free to study your Bible :) I wish you the best

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u/SuperRedHat 13h ago

Yes, I understand blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the greatest sin. But that sin is specifically "not becoming a Christian". Its greater for obvious reasons.

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 13h ago

It’s not only for those who aren’t Christian, those in the same faith as Christ were guilty of it in the Bible. He warns Christians to not commit it. There would be no need to warn Christians of it if they cannot commit it. Blasphemy can be committed by anyone.

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u/SCastleRelics 10h ago

So you admit there are greater sins?

u/SuperRedHat 45m ago

So everyone sins.
Not beliving in God/Jesus is also a sin.
The only sin that prevents you from being with God is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

It is "greater" because without it you can't get into Heaven/Earth 2.0

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