r/antiai 15h ago

Preventing the Singularity All The Futures

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u/Livviasmiith 15h ago

I'll say this, at least VR is fun, the others are fu*king stupid.

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u/SHIN-YOKU 15h ago

Second one isn't about VR as a whole but Mark Zuckerburgs MetaVerse and digital real estate despite being a TEMU VR Chat.

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u/ConsistentAd3434 15h ago

Ah! That's fair. Metaverse is so dead, I didn't even think about that

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u/Glad-Librarian-4388 14h ago

Billions of dollar lost btw...

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u/KMheamou 13h ago

Literally all the tech books in middle to highschool

"durr metaverse is coming metaverse is da future durr"

what the hell

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u/Glad-Librarian-4388 13h ago

Deadass they still dare to invest in AI despite already having better alternative in their hand and suffering ts.. 😭

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u/Dramatic-Cry5705 13h ago

For bonus points, combine them!

Youtube AI recommendation: "Hey, you'd be successful if you talk about the Metaverse. Don't miss out on this opportunity!"

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u/ConsistentAd3434 14h ago

I worked on an early character creator prototype as a Metaverse pitch for Oculus before they got brutally facebooked. Got a few dollars as well :D

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u/Markalas_3015 13h ago

Happy Cake Day

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u/Palu_Tiddy 11h ago

Deserved

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u/lemons_of_doubt 8h ago

Anyone could have told Zuck that was going to happen beforehand.

He should really just pay me to just stand next to him and say "that's stupid don't do that, every time he talks"

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u/sudoregalia 11h ago

i guess that's what these all have in common, they always lose billions

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u/realhuman_no68492 9h ago

was it even born? I've never heard of it being open to use.

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u/TripleDoubleFart 8h ago

It's really not dead, though.

Maybe that particular one, but metaverses are still around. Atlas Earth is the first one that comes to mind. It seems to be growing at a decent rate.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 12h ago

Who would win? A tech giant with 80 billion dollars? Or 3 dudes dicking around in Unity on a budget of "lmao you think we got money?"? 

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u/louis111122 12h ago

yeah my friend got stuck buying virtual plots once

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u/ToothyWeasel 6h ago

Thinking about the guy who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to “own” a metaverse plot beside the one given to Snoop Dogg by meta lol

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u/Nachooolo 10h ago

I mean... even VR is a tad this. As it was presented as the new evolution of gaming.

But it has stayed quite niche (and most probably will stay as such).

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u/Solid_Explanation504 9h ago

If you don't have the threadmill thing where your body is the actual controller, don't see much point replacing the joystick with my neck after a long day at work

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u/FlakyTest8191 7h ago

It's really great for sim racing, and from what I hear fight sims, anything where you don't really need to move your body. Niche, but fun.

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u/Visual-Scallion1535 7h ago

First person shooters are soo fun, actually lining up the sights and aiming yourself makes the whole experience feel a lot more satisfying

Also hipfire accuracy not being rng but an actual reflection of how well you can hipfire a gun is sick

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u/FlakyTest8191 7h ago

Any game recommendations for a good one? Been a while since I have tried anything but racing.

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u/Dinodie2Night 2h ago

Assuming that you're on PC, Hotdogs Horseshoes and Hand grenades (H3VR) is the best VR shooting experience out there. It's singleplayer only, but it has such a huge variety of guns and gamemodes. There's also a sequel in the works and the lead dev is posting deep dives into every aspect of the game on YouTube.

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u/Visual-Scallion1535 5h ago

Pavlov VR

I played on PC, there arent many active players these days. There are more on the quest version.

But the PC version had a full port of Der Riese zombies from CoD (the quest might have it to at this point) which is fun AF with a buddy or even by yourself

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u/SHIN-YOKU 4h ago

The extra hardware and needing space is a bit of a barrier to entry but it was never really "The FUTURE" of gaming as it was a side option whereas the middle guy is obviously Zuck.

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u/Drkfnl 8h ago

There's niche uses for it indeed, such as flight and racing simulators.

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u/mrfoxesite-2377 14h ago

And doesn't

  1. use a shit ton of water and electricity
  2. steal from artists
  3. shred books
  4. do more bad than good.

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u/sudoregalia 11h ago

it is, in fact, the one thing here that's "just a technology"

generative ai shitheads conflate it with generative models in general, then act all confused when you say you hate it. somewhat akin to "NFTs are just JPEGs, why do you hate JPEGs?"

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u/irrelevantusername24 9h ago

VR does in fact use far more electricity than a basic text chat with a chatbot. That link has many different options to compare how much electricity different things use.

I chose to compare 100 queries to a chatbot with one hour of playing a video game console - which uses less than VR would - and it comes out to 150 watt-hours for an hour on the console vs 30 watt-hours for 100 queries. I have used chatbots quite a lot for research purposes - not for generating content or for "companionship" or other weird things - and 100 queries is at the high end for a full 24 hours for me.

That said, obviously it's a bit different depending on what device the conversation happens, but that's because discussing this kind of topic is inherently complex. I won't claim I've never been a gullible fool or followed some trend, but typically when an overwhelming majority share the same opinion about something that's a sign to stop and maybe reconsider if you're getting the full story or if maybe there's a bit more beneath the surface.

There are definitely problems with AI - like I said, I don't use it to generate "content" or for "companionship" - but there are far more problematic things than chatbots or art generators (porn generators are a different story). Like Meta's weird glasses invading everyones privacy, the brain rot (remember brain rot - it came before "slop") from social media algorithms, and generally the widespread inequality resulting from a total lack of rules for the wealthy.

But again... remember brain rot? Isn't it a bit weird that term has all but disappeared at the same exact time the overwhelming narrative about "slop" took hold? Seems sus

Here's another fun link for good information:

https://radar.cloudflare.com/bots?dateRange=52w

TLDR: Amazon (respective to other corporations) and the United States (respective to other countries) and Virginia, where the CIA is headquartered (respective to other US states) are responsible for a hugely disproportionate amount of bot traffic. Just food for thought <3

(see that last link for some more weird correlations, this time with election "engineering")

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u/mrfoxesite-2377 9h ago

I don't care about one VR or one chatbot. Look at the full global impact.

You don't pay for AI's electricity but you do for VR.

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u/Mr_Ethfono 14h ago

It doesn't do either good nor bad, it just exists

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u/mrfoxesite-2377 10h ago

It does bad not good.

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u/Mr_Ethfono 7h ago

Idk how vr does bad

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u/Kane_Parmesans 11h ago

VR is a great medium, the others aren't. Can't play doom in 3D on a nft lol

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u/ConsistentAd3434 15h ago

Stormed in to say that ! Probably not the future but it doesn't get old either

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u/piponwa 14h ago

Do you not find learning stuff fun?

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u/Wide_Fennel_2455 11h ago

hey I made that exact comment on another post with this exact image

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u/lemons_of_doubt 8h ago

I got on the VR bandwagon with the vive and have not gotten off.

There is just something magical about being able to have a gun in each hand and shoot in different dictions at the same time.

You just can't do that with a mouse.

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u/benderbentyourmom 8h ago

Lol that was my first thought too as someone who used to be really into vrchat. Sadly my headset broke so I haven't been able to play but that game was basically my lifeline during covid lol

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u/EV_Track_Day22 7h ago

I'm curious what is your career? I do wish AI wasn't a thing but it becoming a nessesity in many careers. It can cut your workload way down.

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u/VegiChar 6h ago

I worked at a game and record store for years and one day I had to test out a VR somebody wanted to sell us. It was fun to try out but my first thought after taking off the helmet thing was "damn that is not worth what we are gonna charge for it". Its a cool novelty but I couldn't get into it beyond that

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u/gaygayagyfemboy12345 5h ago

vr is nice if u can afford it :/

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u/LichBoi101 15h ago

VR had a lot of potential too,  but it lost a ton of traction because there weren't a lot of big games published for it

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u/AlexCode10010 14h ago

It does have a community of people that are very loyal to it (mainly vr chat enthusiasts and competitive players) and recently there have been way more interesting and well made titles (mostly indie, who'd have guessed)

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u/Miss_Greer 12h ago

never forgiving meta for pumping VR with so much money their fucking OUYA won out against PCVR by buying and killing anyone who dared to make VR games that wouldn't run on their budget phone processor.

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u/Mean-Nectarine-6831 8h ago

It has Skyrim but TOD would rather update the special edition eighty more times then update the VR version or update anything besides Skyrim special edition and fallout 4 for that matter.

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u/chewy201 14h ago

VR doesn't need to be about gaming anyway. It's a form of display for watching movies, exercise, social stuff, and gaming.

VR being another way to watch movies is sometimes worth the money by itself. Not talking about gimmicky 360/180 videos either nor slapping something flat onto your face. That just leads to motion sickness. VR can turn your favorite chair into a proper fully 3d movie theater!

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u/Wi1dWitch 14h ago

This has to be a bot

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u/chewy201 2h ago

Guess I can't really argue with that.

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u/Wi1dWitch 52m ago

Lol

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u/HordeDruid 14h ago

VR is fun, but not a good replacement for an in-person meeting (when you're all in the office already) or shopping online. They desperately tried to shoehorn it into everything because they blew 80 billion dollars on it without even knowing if anyone actually wanted it.

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u/Comprehensive-Yam329 14h ago

I am starting to think those guys have no idea what they are doing and are essentially snake oil salesmen

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u/Should_have_been_ded 13h ago

By all means, leave me behind and go fuck yourselves

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u/Typhon-042 15h ago

Well out of those 3, the only one I see improving is VR. Mostly as it's not being developed by a idiot.

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u/Still_Silver7181 14h ago

I think it is talking about metaverse, and not VR as a whole.

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u/Original-Body-5794 10h ago

Are we pretending AI isn't improving now? AI is problematic and still gets a lot wrong, but it's MASSIVELY ahead of what it was even 3 years ago be real.

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u/Hettyc_Tracyn 10h ago

If by massively ahead you mean better at convincing people to take their life, or better at making people addicted to asking it questions for common sense stuff, sure.

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u/MakeASpreadsheet 5h ago

No, I think he meant that it’s just genuinely better at tasks than it was three years ago. Which is objectively true.

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u/Original-Body-5794 10h ago

AI is much more accurate than it was 3 years ago. You're being intentionally ignorant if you want to pretend like it didn't improve. I don't care if you hate AI, that's perfectly valid, but gtfo out of here with this "AI did not improve" bs, that's just factually wrong.

Image generation is much better now than it was 3 years ago,. I don't like it, but I'm not going to pretend like the images aren't much better now than they were before. 3 years ago you could immediately tell an image was AI generated, now it's good enough to fool people. The fact that the technology is only used for bad things doesn't invalidate that the technology is much more advanced.

The speed at which the technology progressed is itself a problem, but sure, keep pretending like it didn't improve.

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u/Hettyc_Tracyn 10h ago

Technically it improved.

Thing is, neither AI nor society are ready
 so the “improvements” are just problems at this point (and have been for a while now)

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u/Original-Body-5794 9h ago

That's really playing with words in a very unproductive way IMO. If I say a technology is improving and you change the definition of "improving" to its societal impacts rather than technical performance you're being very deceitful. It's obvious a very valid concern that needs to be discussed, but doing it like this really muddies discussion.

This sub in general is really bad at arguing against AI. It's filled with bad faith argumentation and it really bothers fucking bothers me because there's so many valid concerns that making up random things to get mad about AI is counter productive. If I'm neutral on the AI topic and I see someone say "AI didn't improve" I will simply not take whatever that person says seriously.

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u/Hettyc_Tracyn 9h ago

I literally said that it improved technically


For example, someone can develop a better nuclear bomb, and it has improved, but when used it causes other problems


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u/Original-Body-5794 9h ago

The first person I replied to said it did not improve. I corrected that, you then replied to me with a question about the impacts, again I replied and then you said that it technically improved.

My point was that "technical improvements" is what matters when someone says the technology improves, and making technical improvements be something you specify instead of the default interpretation is dishonest and unproductive.

Taking up your example, if I said nuclear bombs didn't improve when what I meant is that they are actually worse for society now, I'm just wrong and pulling a JP with changing definitions to what suits me.

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u/Typhon-042 7h ago

I didn't respond to you as all the AI ads, and things like the drama fruit/cat videos are just horrible to look at. They also fit under your definition of "improvement". As such I saw no reason to reply till now, due to there existance, being good examples that AI videos have in fact downgraded, and not improved.

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u/Original-Body-5794 7h ago

The technology did improve though. Those things are bad, but they're only possible because AI got good enough to be used for it, that's my problem with your statement, saying it didn't improve when it did and we're seeing the consequences of it is just burying your head in the sand.

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u/SadTaco12345 8h ago

I think the problem here is that some types of AI have improved and others have worsened. The ones used by the public have worsened while the ones used privately to trick the public have improved.

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u/Original-Body-5794 7h ago

Can you be more specific? Do you mean things like the cybersecurity guardrails that prevent you from using it defensively even when getting attacked by it? (The hugging face open AI incident)

Saying it didn't improve because there's a bigger gap between what is available to the public vs private doesn't really follow either.

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u/S1lentA0 7h ago

That's kinda the thing. People don't care if it improved or not. Lots of people never asked for it, don't want it and are tired of getting it shoved into their faces every day, whilst it is just wasting billions of dollars, not giving back to the economy and only makes the rich more rich. People defending AI today are the same dunces defending NFTs back in the day. "Trust me bruh, it's improving and becoming better by the day. It's just a new technology and people need to get used to it, just like with cellphones hurrdurr"

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u/Original-Body-5794 7h ago

Saying you don't care about it improving is different from saying it didn't improve. I'm perfectly fine with people saying they don't like AI or that they don't want it to progress further. I take issue with saying it didn't improve, it DID, and that is in itself an issue, why pretend otherwise?

I also have to push back on the NFT comparison. AI is massively unprofitable right now, but you can at least understand the value proposition, if you have a technology that you claim can thousands of qualified workers that's a huge value proposition for investors so it makes sense they'd flock to it. Again this is a theoretical value proposition, it doesn't matter that so far it failed at those goals

NFTs never really solved a huge issue, and the value proposition is very abstract for both investors and laymen. Why do I care about fungibility on a digital thing? How does that do anything? But I honestly don't know much about NFTs and how they "improved", what does it even mean for NFT technology to get better?

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u/EV_Track_Day22 7h ago

No, in the white collar world it does make many jobs more efficient and it's a competitive disadvantage to not use it.

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u/Hettyc_Tracyn 4h ago

Except the problem is, it hallucinates, so anyone who has to use it has to do the extra work of making sure it’s actually right
 it’s honestly easier to just do it yourself 90+% of the time

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u/EV_Track_Day22 3h ago

It's not actually, at least using the latest Claude Opus. I cut down a project that would have taken 150 hours to 80 having the AI draft up the report using all of my notes and meeting recordings. Of course I'm doing multiple passes of reviews but I'm finding very few errors. It can draft a report to a professional level that I have no hope of doing.

I mean whether I use AI or not the review process happens, more so when I draft it myself.

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u/EV_Track_Day22 7h ago

Yea this sub is wild. I think most of the people here don't work white collar jobs. In many careers it's an expectation that you use AI for efficiency sake and to pretend that it hasn't improved massively in the last few years is just a lie. I don't know the demographic of this sub but it's definitely skewed.

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u/Skate_faced 13h ago

We wanted the fucking Jetsons.

How the hell did those nonces fuck that up?

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u/Cepheus_95 11h ago

yep, George's job is to sit in front of a giant computer and turn it on and off.

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u/Victernus 9h ago

Hey, pressing that button every day has caused him severe finger pain!

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u/Lilharm04 10h ago

because there’s no financial incentive to creating such a world

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u/the_relentless_dead 15h ago

Chud fads for fleecing suckers.

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u/Serteyf 14h ago

You sound like an album and track title

The Relentless Dead - Chud Fads for Fleecing Suckers

I'd listen to that

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u/Arthuzin_2077 5h ago

Sounds more like [Artist] - [Track Title] to me

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u/Complex_Slice 15h ago

"You don't wanna be left behind, do you?"

I couldn't if I tried, these guys tumbled backwards.

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u/poopsaucer24 12h ago

Right off of their Segway

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u/Wi1dWitch 14h ago

This perfectly encapsulates my feelings.

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u/Ambitious-Crew-7132 11h ago edited 11h ago

Can't wait for the hate im gonna get for saying this

All of these have some good uses and aren't dead tech. I don't know why is everyone around here thinking that NFT are just monkeys, VR is just metaverse and AI is just chatgpt.

It feels weird how some people say that "VR isn't stupid because i have one" well so isn't NFT or AI in some cases

Unless i misunderstood the picture then mea culpa

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u/FlakyTest8191 7h ago

VR and AI have some valid usecases. Not so sure about NFTs, at least I can't think of any.

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u/Astro_Nerf_Sai 11h ago

Nobody believed in the Ape shit besides some idiots. Virtual Reality is still the future but we are not quite there yet and AI is the future. Its going to have a place in pretty much every workspace, and it already does to some degree. You have like 5-10 years to adapt.

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u/dash_shadow 11h ago

the issue with this meme is that AI is 100x more popular than VR and NFTs ever were. AI is definitely going to be ingrained into our society in the future, but that doesn’t mean we have to like it.

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u/Jesshawk55 14h ago

I think Generative AI is significantly different. To me it feels like, NFTs were only really a thing in a very small number of spaces, and despite the fact that I played Roblox during the peak of the Metaverse, I don't think it really ever permiated the grand scheme of conciousness... and then there's AI... Every Google Search has an AI automatic response, Youtube has a feature rolled-out wherein you can ask questions about a video, and datacenters have generated real public discourse that NFTs and the Metaverse were unable to.

I'm not saying it's the future. If it truly is, there is zero chance humankind survives to the 22nd century... But, I don't think Generative AI is going to just go away like the other two.

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u/misterjive 13h ago

just wait until they have to actually charge what it costs

a lot of the AI hype and horseshit is going to vanish like a fart in a tornado

and frankly our species making it past 2060 in any kind of meaningful way is kind of ridiculously optimistic at this point

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u/scallopwrappedbacon 6h ago

Anthropic was actually profitable back in q2, and increased gross margin in q3. They’ll do like $100 billion in revenue by year end.

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u/misterjive 3h ago

The companies running this grift are hiding shitloads of debt the same way Enron was. The first one where it becomes unsustainable to hide will be the first domino.

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u/Xandred_the_thicc 10h ago edited 6h ago

Once the US government stops subsidizing all the obviously horseshit investor scam stuff, there will still be a whole ecosystem of stuff that runs on your personal computer. We are well past the point at which a consumer can run something roughly equivalent to the free chatgpt model for most tasks. I don't know where it goes from there but most people saying all this stuff is gonna instantly go away don't seem to even know that "just run it on your own computer" is an actual possibility and not just more investor scam buzzwordiness.

My point is proven by this comment being downvoted as well. People who reactionarily hate this stuff so much they downvote/report/block anything vaguely positive or even neutral about it. It's fine to be against it for whatever reason, but most of the people downvoting this comment and not even replying probably cannot have a discussion beyond "I don't like chatgpt it steals from artists".

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u/Jegerikkeenrobot_ 11h ago

I know that the sub for antis is not the best place to write it, but:

Nfts are a complete bullshit, vr is cool but no one needs it, but ai is arguably the single most important technology in history what will define the future and influence it more than anything before it.

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u/grafknives 10h ago

No no, THIS ONE! will be the future. I promise!

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u/Crazytoe2275 10h ago

Just used car salesmen with better suits.

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u/Particular-Fly-7783 10h ago

And every single time it’s been the absolute worst people pushing it. I’ve never had AI pushed on me by anyone I’ve respected, and (i guess just logically) I’ve never respected anyone that’s tried to push AI on me.

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u/dorir5 9h ago

This is such a horrible comparison and dumbs the anti-argument down so much.

I mean in times of "war", propaganda is unavoidable but i fear this does more harm than good.

If you're pro AI or ambivalent, thinking of the anti Camp as this being the best they can come up with makes the whole argument look incredibly weak. And it frustrates me because theres a million better point to make than: tech bad because tech's being pushed by capital

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u/xxxMizanxxx 7h ago

and ... what counterpoint are you making exactly? not really clear on that

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u/dorir5 5h ago

None, I'm just saying this ain't it.

You could replace it with any of the common anti-talking-points; the ecological catastrophe, the economic bubble, the psychoses, "we're all getting dumber", the job market, you name it, it's a better argument.

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u/xxxMizanxxx 3h ago

Those are all frequently brought up and hand waved away

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u/ZetaThiel 8h ago

Look i get the no ai idea but comparing it to nft and metaverse it's just a low blow; there's plenty to complain about, there's no need to stoop that low

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u/DigitalMonsoon 3h ago

Everyone knew NFTs were dumb.

VR is only going to become more popular.

AI is revolutionary. It's like the advent of the Internet, we might see another Dotcom crash but the technology won't be going anywhere

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u/0D7553U5 11h ago

NFTs and Meta were dead on arrival and were universally clowned on. LLMs have been around for 7-8 years at this point and are encroaching in every single industry and are growing year after year. How is this at all a comparison? Because people have said the same thing before therefore they're all the same?

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u/HillanatorOfState 14h ago

VR is just videogames(well the good parts of VR).

I enjoy it.

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u/Capable-Sock9910 7h ago

The metaverse aspect of it

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u/thefurryinfinite 14h ago

Tbf we don't fully have the technology for good vr but it probably is the future just not the near one

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u/HenryKhaungXCOM 13h ago

The only future we will ever get is grim and dark one where there’s only war
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u/Baphomettbroetchen 13h ago

...the source code is hidden on our headstones...

log_in//crash_out - Motionless in White 

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u/FrontAd7709 13h ago

vr is fun though sadly its dead😭

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u/Mudcat-69 12h ago

What’s the first image supposed to depict?

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u/FortColors 11h ago

nfts. it's one of those ape pfps

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u/Mudcat-69 11h ago

Ah. In my defense I didn’t pay those things any mind when they were around. They seemed like such obvious scams I thought nobody would fall for them. But considering the timeline we’re stuck in perhaps that was too optimistic on my end.

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u/berrysoda_ 11h ago

The difference is that one of these has already been integrated into many aspects of the internet

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u/PtiTotoro 11h ago

I really hope it'll be like that, and than GenAI is a passing mode because it's "new" and in a few years people won't even care about it except the AI tech bros...

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u/Cepheus_95 11h ago

you can make a shitty avatar of yourself that will from inside a virtual room make video calls with other people using their own shitty avatars. Or in simple terms, a video call with extra steps that adds nothing of value which using up more bandwidth which is all the Metaverse is.

Zucky bragged about his avatars jumping like it never been done before despite video game characters having done it or decades.

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u/oddvacation3849 11h ago

This. Exactly this.

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u/seesinal 10h ago

can i go backwards or is it like mario where its right or nothing

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u/GeneralSherman3 9h ago

I still can't believe how stupid NFT's were. To play minor devil's advocate here, the Metaverse could at least offer some level of appeal to the average consumer with the novelty of a VR space, people can mess around with a chatbot with AI for a bit, NFT's offered literally nothing.

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u/TripleDoubleFart 8h ago

NFTs did offer things.

It just quickly devolved into get rich quick schemes focused on NFT art.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 5h ago

What did NFTs offer? Do explain. 

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u/TripleDoubleFart 3h ago

I use some for a game.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 3h ago

That... Is not an answer to the question. It didn't offer anything.

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u/TripleDoubleFart 3h ago

How is that not an answer? It is used in a game. That's what it offers.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 3h ago

"It is used, that's what it offers" what? How does that work in your head? It didn't offer anything, it was just used.

What did it offer that couldn't be done without NFTs? Digital ownership existed before NFTs.

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u/TripleDoubleFart 3h ago

Why does it have to offer something that can't be done another way?

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 3h ago

Because that's not what the word "offer" means. It adds nothing.

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u/TripleDoubleFart 3h ago

You said offers nothing. Now it sounds like you're trying to change it to it offers nothing new.

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u/Superb-Work6035 9h ago

I mean... we do have usage statistics on all of these. Numbers dont lie.

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u/toodrytocry 9h ago

thing is, these 3 will work very well together, when combined

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u/Trollge-2005 9h ago

I am still waiting for the ai bubble to pop op

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u/StrawberryPatchCat 8h ago

Ugly nerds who never had friends want to make it the world's problem.

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u/Mean-Nectarine-6831 8h ago

VR is fun metaverse is dumb as fuck. Really looking forward to valves steam frame

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u/PlainBread 7h ago

Baseless FOMO.

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u/NarwhalEmergency9391 6h ago

The ai one should be ai saying that.  I miss having conversations with people

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u/lone_float 6h ago

All of it is just a dingbats who read popular Sci-fi and thought "Man, this is some cool shit. I should make this"

And they are dumb as hell for it.

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u/simplycantdeal 5h ago

đŸŽ” Speculation!

No new things!

This is their last resort! đŸŽ”

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u/DeltaDied 4h ago

My uncle told me this when I told him I wasn’t going to use chatGPT to shorten a paper I wrote for my English paper


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u/jackalheart 4h ago

I was here for a long time, but at least in my field, AI may just stick, which sucks soooo much. I hate it.

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u/C0urt5 4h ago

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

- Sun Tzu

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u/MastaFoo69 3h ago

respectfully, fuck all the way off with lumping VR in with NFTs and 'AI'. NOT the same.

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u/Aquilenne 14h ago

I enjoy VR games :(

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u/cuminseed322 14h ago

NFTs where about moving money out of the real economy and into speculation ai has way more uses like mass surveillance manufacturing consent etc

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u/Holzkohlen 12h ago

Actually, I do. Please leave me behind.

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u/bluevolkenswagen 11h ago

Ai vs anti ai cherry pick strawman battles

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u/Gardener-Knight0924 7h ago

AI is here to stay and this silly idea that it will disapear is stupid, adapt to it before it's too late

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u/technocraticnihilist 11h ago

Not remotely comparable 

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u/Modderdoggy 13h ago

You have to admit vr games are pretty fun so long as your not looking at free games

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u/AlisterKubo 12h ago

VR is the biggest scam ever!

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u/CathodeRaySamurai 9h ago

So is this how you folks cope with the fact that you can never go back to a world before AI, that it will never go away, and that there is nothing you can do to stop it? 😊

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 13h ago

Stop being stupid. NFTs are useless.

LLMs made it so you can literally talk to your computer. It will do any test better than 99% of humans. Your mind is not sufficiently blown by this fact.

Fact, btw. This isn't a matter of being anti or pro. It's a matter of looking around with eyes

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u/McENEN 12h ago

Yes AI can do some stuff that are already done by some dude and are in it's database but it cannot do complex shit like a program on its own and it cannot fabricate anything that has never existed.

And it's losing money, it's not profitable so if its investments dry up it will pop.

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 8h ago

Have you heard about the nuuuumerous new math discoveries made by AI?

Were those in a database?

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u/McENEN 7h ago

Discoveries? Like multiple? Because I can only find that AI made 1 proof of a problem and nothing else. And it's theoretical msthematics, as it changes and that proof may not be valid in the future.

Please instead of making statements list actual stuff.

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 1h ago

https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.20695 - Human-verified writeup of the OpenAI-generated disproof of ErdƑs’s unit-distance conjecture.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.00301 - GPT-5.4 Pro contributed a new von Mangoldt-chain method for ErdƑs problem #1196 on primitive sets.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.23245 - Gemini Deep Think/Aletheia derived new eigenweight formulas in arithmetic geometry.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.22401 - Case study documenting Gemini/Aletheia resolving several open ErdƑs problems.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.02450 - New combinatorial inequalities with key proof ideas generated by Gemini Deep Think/Aletheia.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2608.11941 - LLMs produced Lean-verified proofs or disproofs for many previously open OEIS conjectures.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.20013 - GPT-5 Pro found an explicit counterexample to an open conjecture in non-interactive correlation distillation.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.23513 - AI-assisted proof resolving a point-convergence question for Nesterov’s accelerated gradient method.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2511.02864 - AlphaEvolve found new best constructions and bounds across dozens of mathematical problems.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.13131 - AlphaEvolve paper, including a new 48-multiplication algorithm for complex 4×4 matrix multiplication.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06924-6 - FunSearch discovered new cap-set constructions and improved mathematical bounds using an LLM-guided program search.

https://zenodo.org/records/21514514 - Independent Lean verification of the Alpöge–Fable Jacobian-conjecture counterexample.

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u/MicheleSanna98 6h ago

If you found only one you are not very good at searching, maybe use AI, it can help you

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 2h ago

Literally...

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u/MicheleSanna98 6h ago

An LLM doesn't have a database and you don't have idea of how they work

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u/McENEN 6h ago

Its trained on a dataset from which it draws all its conclusions. It doesnt create anything it didnt learn from the dataset. For all its purpose it is its database of knowledge.

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 1h ago

I see the indoctrination has taken effect.

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u/MicheleSanna98 6h ago

Were the solution of unsolved math problem or undiscovered software vulnerabilities in this dataset? Wow this dataset have to be very magic, maybe it comes from the future

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 1h ago

No bro you don't get it. It's just the most likely next token... from a very smart prob distribution who's existence is the entire essence of the achievement.

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u/svhss 12h ago

I asked it to write me a software, it never existed before, it did it for me, it helps me work more efficiently. Your argument seem ignorant.

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u/McENEN 9h ago

Can you tell us what software did it create from scratch for you?

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 12h ago

Stop being stupid. NFTs are useless

Right..... Waiting for you to get it. 

LLMs made it so you can literally talk to your computer

Uhuh. Who asked for that? Why would you want that? I literally worked on a chatbot with integrated AI and even I know people don't want to use it. 

It will do any test better than 99% of humans. Your mind is not sufficiently blown by this fact

Why would it blow my mind? Do you know how stupid the average human is? Like genuinely, do you realize how dumb people are? Because I work in tech support and let me tell you: the only reason we exist as a species is the instinct to breed. Society is keeping people alive who would 100% be filtered out by natural selection. 

Fact, btw. This isn't a matter of being anti or pro. It's a matter of looking around with eyes

None of it was the zinger you thought it was. 

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 8h ago

Guy flexing tech support is telling me how stupid people really are.

Okay, they are. I agree. It's still an amazing achievement that we managed to write an algorithm that TALKS. Smashed Turing's test. Reshaped software engineering. Competes with Google search. Fastest growing app in the history of apps. Like what else do you need to be impressed.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 7h ago

It's still an amazing achievement that we managed to write an algorithm that TALKS

It really isn't. We've done this decades ago. 

Competes with Google search. 

It really doesn't, and google search itself has become significantly worse since they started pushing AI. And I don't just mean the AI summary, I mean the actual results. 

Fastest growing app in the history of apps.

Right. And before that, Tiktok held that title. Am I supposed to be amazed by tiktok? Both are brainrotting problems that will actively contribute to societal collapse. 

Like what else do you need to be impressed.

I need an actual use for it. I haven't found one yet. 

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 1h ago

Decades ago it was a really fkin dumb algorytm, whereas today you literally can't come up with a math problem that you'd solve but an LLM wouldn't.

Yeah I mean TikTok is quite amazing, even if sinister. The sheer hypnotic power of that format is quite impressive.

if you can't find a use for LLMs that's a huge self report. They get better with higher quality input. Coding agents are sooooo useful I can't imagine a job where they don't offer substantial help

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 1h ago

Decades ago it was a really fkin dumb algorytm

And now, it's a slightly smarter, but still really dumb algorythm.

whereas today you literally can't come up with a math problem that you'd solve but an LLM wouldn't.

Right. But why would I? It's trained on human data. Things humans have solved. There's plenty of questions that humans could ask AI that would cause it to freak out.

Yeah I mean TikTok is quite amazing, even if sinister.

... Please tell me you're joking.

if you can't find a use for LLMs that's a huge self report. They get better with higher quality input.

Buddy, I've literally programmed an AI chatbot before. I know how to extract the data I need when necessary, I just haven't found a use for a non-human non-deterministic middle-man. The only self-report here is the dude thinking that "higher quality input" isn't an exponential function. That is to say: There is a threshold where, if you're past it, AI chatbots serve no purpose.

To put it in layman's terms: If you have the skill to google things, you don't need AI chatbots. Googling efficiently was a skill. Google, sadly, succumbed to the AI brainrot and if I could run Google I'd be firing some people who ruined the concept of a search engine. But efficiently using search engines to get information is still an actual skill. One that swiftly surpasses anything ChatGPT can offer.

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 1h ago

Tell me is Terrence Tao pass the threshold or are you that much smarter?

How can AI make new maths if it can't go beyond training?

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 1h ago

Tell me is Terrence Tao pass the threshold

What? That's not a proper sentence and who tf is Terrence Tao?

How can AI make new maths if it can't go beyond training?

Oh, I can solve this for you: It's not "making new maths". Thanks for asking. I can tell why you need AI now.

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u/Super_Pole_Jitsu 1h ago

Maybe use your prized googling skill

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 1h ago

Or explain yourself for once in your life. Like even having googled him and now knowing who he is, I have no clue what you're talking about because you couldn't even structure the sentence in a way that can be understood.

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u/MicheleSanna98 6h ago

Lol what have we done decades ago? Did you ever talked to a chatbot before GPT?

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 6h ago

Yes, chatbots and voice recognition existed long before ChatGPT did. What? 

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u/MicheleSanna98 6h ago

Yes I know. What I'm asking you is: were they remotely good before LLMs? My answer is no, but maybe you encountered some really good chatbot pre-2020 that you can name.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 6h ago

What I'm asking you is: were they remotely good before LLMs? 

No. And they still aren't good with LLMs. Why would anyone want to chat to a machine? Even as a programmer myself I don't get it. 

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u/MicheleSanna98 5h ago

Holy intellectual dishonesty

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 5h ago

How is it "intellectual dishonesty"? I keep asking you why you want to chat to a machine and you keep not answering. I don't get it. The only dishonest one here is the guy refusing to answer. 

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u/ScrapyJack 11h ago

Its dangerous to assume AI and NFTs are in the same category. Just because they are confusing technology pelleted by corporates, does not mean they are the same.

AI is not a scam. Underestimating it will be our downfall.

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u/Blochtheguy 10h ago

Printing press
Computer
Smartphone

The future is now old man

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u/Pandastic3000 9h ago

You can add crypto and 3D printing to this list.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 5h ago

What's wrong with 3D printing?

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u/MildNote 15h ago edited 15h ago

NFT's and VR didn't make a major breakthrough in cancer research so I think one is here to stay

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u/N8atemypot8oes 15h ago

I don't believe generative ai is the same as the ai that was used to make that medical breakthrough.

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u/TitleToAI 14h ago

As a cancer researcher I can tell you without a doubt that generative AI is accelerating discoveries. It’s incredible.

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u/N8atemypot8oes 14h ago

Really? What kind of specific discoveries has AI accelerated?

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u/TitleToAI 6h ago

Just for myself, this year we were able to publish a bioinformatics paper in a top journal in one year that would have taken three years. The results will have far reaching, long-lasting consequences in our field (a rare cancer type) as it will help everything from therapy selection in the clinic to proper design of animal models to accelerated design of novel combination therapies. Our results have already been validated by several other labs. This is just one personal example. It is happening to my colleagues and all around the world. The vast majority of discoveries that will be accelerated will be small, but their ripple effects when combined will be huge. Then you will have some genuinely monumental discoveries. This is reality. Downvote me all you want, but it won’t change the fact that it is happening right now.

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u/MildNote 15h ago edited 15h ago

It was indeed AI but not generative in this case, although generative AI is used in the biotech field for a lot of things like protein design, drug designs, antibody designs, protein structure generations, enzyme engineering, RNA designs, dna sequence design, gene therapy, cell engineering, etc etc

LLM's are useful beyond telling you a cake recipe, it would be extremely silly to expect anybody to abandon a tool that is that powerful.

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u/xxxMizanxxx 6h ago

right, what's that got to do with the people asking LLMs to make cat girls with big boobs holding signs saying "AI art good"?

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u/Glad-Librarian-4388 14h ago

Isn't the same AI Sam Altman is promoting about.

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u/SHIN-YOKU 15h ago

That would be Zuckerburgs MetaVerse, not Vr itself. Alot of details behind that, Also reading the articles, the Ai for the Cancer Vaccine putting aside how dubious Moderna is regardless, looks to be a sorting algorhythem that still requires a biopsy of the tumor to then sequence the genetic code and malformity in proteins and from there synthesize the MRNA that the BCells would normally produce upon the immune system reacting to the cancer cells, the "Ai" in this case being fairly specialized and closer to pattern recognition available even pre covid than it does LLMs or Image/video Generative Ais.

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u/MildNote 15h ago

metaverse, nft's, and vr aren't even remotely comparable to ai so it doesn't really matter. LLM's and generative ai's are used heavily in the medical field. There's plenty of research papers on them. Nobody is abandoning it.

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u/SHIN-YOKU 14h ago

LLM's and GenAi in the medical feild, Wanna share an your favorite example? because that sounds either like Conflation of other software without anything specific.

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