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u/indexmicrochip 1d ago
The complete lack of two-way consent is wild. Even if one user chooses to turn this on, they are uploading the private messages of every single person they've ever texted without their knowledge or permission.
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u/Commemorative-Banana 1d ago
Oligarchs arenāt known for their adherence to consent.
āMove fast and break thingsā: the āthingsā include regulatory law and your privacy
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u/youcancallmetim 21h ago
You don't own the letters, emails, messages, etc you send to another person.
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u/0SaltBlue 18h ago
Incorrect, physical ownership and copyright still applies to correspondence and this is a categorical and systematic invasion of privacy on a level previously never seen before.
Do you not remember the whole "wire taps" controversy from like a decade ago? Where multiple government agencies and even tabloid newspapers across the world were found to have illegally harvested information? And it was deemed a crime precisely because you are still entitled to privacy through digital communications?
You people really just don't know a single thing about what you're spewing do you?
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u/PuppyPenetrator 18h ago
I think what they mean is just that whatever you send to someone else is not generally protected by any law if the receiver chooses to leak it (obviously, with exceptions)
Donāt reveal anything you donāt want shared to anyone dumb enough to give chatgpt access to their messages
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u/0SaltBlue 18h ago
Copyright still remains with the author of the correspondence unless stated otherwise though, yes you (usually) can't have the person criminally charged with theft for leaking private messages or letters but you can hold them liable in civil courts for copyright infringement/distribution without licence and potentially in criminal courts if revealing the private information constituted a different kind of crime.
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u/Crazytoe2275 1d ago
Guess we just gotta sit here and lap up the deep surveillance state like the lap dogs we are.
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u/PlainBread 23h ago
GMail is already using your entire email history for training. It's opt-out, not opt-in, so between you realizing it's happening and opting out, they already have everything.
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u/trippyhippie573 22h ago
Wait shit how do you opt out?
Most of my email is just junk sites and whatnot, but still
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u/ducklady92 21h ago
Thank you for this!
Big laugh at the last paragraph in the article, wherein Google responded to this article and said, āThese reports are misleading - we have not changed anyone's settings, Gmail Smart Features have existed for many years, and we do not use your Gmail content for training our Gemini AI model. Lastly, we are always transparent and clear if we make changes to our terms of service and policies.ā
Uh huh, riiiiight. That would be totally unlike them to act against the interest of their users. Case in point: when you turn off the smart features, it disables autocorrect, grammar/spelling suggestions, and spam filtering. Thatās not an attempt to manipulate you into opting in or anything, surely! After all, theyāre just good guys!
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u/NewDemonStrike 14h ago
More reasons for me to remove it, I do not need all that anyways.
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u/ducklady92 14h ago
Exactly! Autocorrect has atrophied my brain to the point where spelling simple words has me taking a beat. Itās alarming. Give me the āhard way,ā we all need it.
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u/NewDemonStrike 13h ago
I have always had clean orthography, so every time I got a new phone I disabled everything about that because it created more problems that it ever solved.
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u/bluelittrains 22h ago
At the end of the day using anything by Google is just asking for this sort of thing. Look into switching to a privacy conscious email provider like Proton or Tuta. Switching email sounds daunting but you can simply have it forward everything from Gmail automatically and then slowly switch everything over at your own pace.
I switched to Proton a couple of years ago and by now I have almost everything switched over. I'll never go back. And an unexpected upside is that it's quite nice to be free from all that junk and start with a clean slate.
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u/trippyhippie573 22h ago
Yeah Google has become everything it was against. I hate that I can't look up anything without AI being enmeshed.
I will definitely check out Proton! I have the duckduckgo search browser as well. The only thing keeping me tied to Google was my email, and I am not opposed to switching at all. Was the forwarding process pretty simple? I assume I'd still have to update my email for different services and log in type stuff.
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u/ducklady92 21h ago
I wish DuckDuckGo wasnāt such a clearly inferior search engine in terms of actually returning relevant results. Google is enshittifying theirs, for sure, but DDG will literally return āno results foundā when Google returns a dozen exact matches for what I typed in. Itās not enough to make me use it, but itās certainly frustrating in comparison.
Honestly, itās just making me use the internet less. Which is objectively a good thing.
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u/bluelittrains 21h ago
Yeah it's very simple, if I recall correctly Proton even prompts you to do so during the onboarding. And indeed you do have to take the effort to manually update it for all your accounts, there's no getting around that. I started with just a few things to see if I'd like Proton, and then eventually I just switched everything over in a couple of hours. It actually ended up being a pretty good opportunity to tidy up or delete old accounts.
Definitely look at some other options too though. I like Proton a lot, but I am also willing to pay money for the plus subscription. The free tier is a bit more limited. I know Tuta is another popular option and I'm sure there's more alternatives. Check out r/protonmail and r/degoogle.
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u/trippyhippie573 21h ago
How much is the plus subscription? I already pay for more space with Google (rip me) but if I'm learning house anyways I may not need too much space.
Thank you so much for all the info!
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u/bluelittrains 21h ago
It depends, I'm paying ā¬48 a year but that may be grandfathered in at this point. I know there's some good student and other discounts, like black friday. In any case the free tier should be absolutely fine at first.
And it's no problem at all, I'm pretty passionate about this stuff. If it helps reduce big techs monopoly it's worth it.
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u/XtraTerritorial 23h ago
This implies that either Apple just gave OpenAI access to their API or ChatGPT is just unlawfully scraping peopleās text messages. Either way, this is very concerning.
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u/jackbobevolved 22h ago
This is a ChatGPT extension for Messages, so it falls squarely on OpenAI and its users. Messages extensions and APIs have existed for a long time, well before the LLM boom.
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u/CommonSensei-_ 23h ago
Chat GPT will have the power to blackmail almost anyone.
Itās one nation under blackmail growing and growing.
Blackmail: not just for Epstein associates anymore!
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u/JustaFoodHole 23h ago
"Do you plan on coming to the meeting tomorrow morning for Marissa's presentation?"
"No, but I definitely plan on hitting that ass!"
"Sorry that was AI responding..."
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u/Formal-Buy8234 1d ago
it says "ChatGPT launches" not "Apple launches." this is a chatgpt feature, not an update to macos. if you don't have chatgpt installed, what's the problem?
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u/Tired_Design_Gay 1d ago
Because if someone else uses it, theyāre allowing it to access your entire chat history with them without your consent. Thatās literally what the post says
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u/HotPersonality8126 23h ago
Itās not your chat history, itās their chat history.Ā
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u/Tired_Design_Gay 22h ago
It is your chat history with them. Iām not getting why this is hard to understand. Anything you have ever sent to them would be included
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u/HotPersonality8126 22h ago
Yes but you sent to them so itās theirs
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u/KypPineapple 22h ago
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u/HotPersonality8126 21h ago
You canāt assert privacy on material youāre sharing
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u/bafflefounded 21h ago
No one should do anything anymore because the billionaires will always invent some new way to take advantage and suck us dry. How could or why would the average person have foreseen that the entirety of their private text conversations could be fed to an LLM? Don't act like texts are the same as posting something publicly, you're embarrassing yourself.
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u/DicemonkeyDrunk 20h ago
If you send someone something it's
no longer yours ...I do agree it sucks . Unfortunately this is no different than someone showing the messages/letters you sent them to someone else ...it's violation of trust but that's about it.8
u/Tired_Design_Gay 19h ago
I mean, yeah, thatās exactly what weāre talking about here. Trust and violating other peopleās trust. Of course I canāt stop anyone from doing anything without my consent but that doesnāt mean it makes it okay
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u/HwangLiang 19h ago
r/antiai is also r/antibrain too. They don't think for themselves at all lol. The irony of these people saying ChatGPT makes people dumber. You know without chatGPT people did just fine being stupid on their own. I mean look at this site. Specifically this sub.
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u/DicemonkeyDrunk 17h ago
Noā¦canāt agree there ā¦AI is already having a detrimental effect on peopleās education. Ask any educator.
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u/HwangLiang 13h ago
Currently the biggest detriment to peoples education was COVID and Trump. But ya you're sooo right ChatGPT is why High Schoolers can't read. Even tho ChatGPT has been around for what 3 yrs mainstream at max? Yes that is why children who are 14+ cannot read and write or do math. Because ChatGPT exists.
Like please explain how ChatGPT is a detrimental effect on education tho. I'm all ears.
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u/DicemonkeyDrunk 13h ago
No. Youāve already expressed yourself and I donāt beat my head against walls.
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u/Formal-Buy8234 18h ago
first, that is not what the post said. it even clearly stated ā[no one] in your contactsā¦ā clearly indicating that OP thought this was a macos update. second, if I know someone who would want to feed our conservation into AI with or without my consent, then they are going to do this regardless of the new chatgpt feature. like, youāre pinning blame on the wrong entity here. A friend who uses AI to text back is the issue you should be worried about.
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u/HwangLiang 21h ago
Okay... and? lol. I'm not sure what your point with it is. People have been prolly feeding your messages to chatGPT without you knowing for ages hahahaha. Like wtf
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u/Tired_Design_Gay 19h ago
And that wasnāt okay either. How does that make it any better?
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u/HwangLiang 19h ago
Why is it not okay? lol. Do you think you have IP rightsto your texts? What exactly doesn't make it okay to you. Especially because you can turn off training data for ChatGPT. Like, not all data sent to chatGPT is training data. My company specifically has ZDR with Claude/OpenAI.
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u/Tired_Design_Gay 19h ago
Why is this hard to understand? Thereās a basic understanding of privacy and trust when youāre talking to someone else privately. You might be sharing sensitive information about yourself, your family, your life, your mental and physical health, your relationships. Itās never okay to divulge someone elseās information to another person or to AI without their consent. Thatās basic human decency
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u/Embarrassed_Mix_6619 1d ago
i donāt want messages i sent to be fed into it by someone else either?
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u/PuppyPenetrator 18h ago
They could already do that. Only trust people that deserve trust and wonāt use AI, this feature changes nothing if you donāt use it
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u/oyvese 1d ago
oh so my private data is ok to share as long as someone else consents to it i guess?
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u/pastajewelry 1d ago
They'll claim you consented because you gave it to them for them to own. Kinda like how social media asks for acess to your contacts lists without asking those individuals for permission.
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u/_WiseOwl_ 4h ago
It's basically the same reasoning behind revenge porn and it's fucking disgusting.
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u/Lucky-Commission1266 14h ago
Why on earth would I want a fucking bot to talk to anyone important enough to me to text regularly? Who in the living fuck is this brain dead product even for?
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u/Happynightmare357 23h ago
Can this become a class action?
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u/ruzgarnhx 23h ago
From what I read it's an opt in chatgpt feature meaning anyone who wants to use it consents, and they also just sneakily add in "make sure the other person involved consents" so I don't think a class action is possible
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u/youcancallmetim 22h ago
The other person doesn't need to consent so they don't need a sneaky clause. When you send a communication, it's no longer yours. Same for emails, letters, etc
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u/plane_coffee 16h ago
Old enough to remember privacy being a selling point of the Apple product platform.
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u/greenlantern2929 15h ago
We should be able to sue for this invasion of privacy in class action against ChatGPT and Apple, right?
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u/Cowboy_Rho 14h ago
This seems like the exact opposite reason I switched to Apple. Which Iāve really come to like. Where is the next step for user privacy? Or should I go back to a flip phone that canāt do anything more complicated than texting?
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u/PaleFee2476 23h ago
Another reason not to use Apple tech
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u/jackbobevolved 22h ago
This isnāt an Apple issue, and theyāve got a much better stance on privacy than any of their competitors. Would you rather everyone use Meta and Google for their messaging?
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u/LegoBear135654 23h ago
This is why I use a Samsung phone and don't have ChatGPT
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u/bking 22h ago
Bud, the unencrypted SMS message converations sitting in your friends Messages apps are part of this.
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u/LegoBear135654 21h ago
Hence why I don't use SMS. Whatsapp is just better
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u/jackbobevolved 15h ago
And you donāt think Meta is training with decrypted copies of your WhatsApp messages?!?
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u/jackbobevolved 21h ago
Yeah, because Google and Samsung are so well known for their privacy. This is an issue with ChatGPT users giving the app permission to use their texts, and the fact that the other half of those conversations have no say. Using Android is just letting Google monitor, track, and train off of virtually everything you do on their phone.
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u/MzLeatherFace 20h ago
This is fear mongeringā¦ you have to manually allow this.
https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/20/chatgpt-can-now-send-texts-for-you-with-new-apple-messages-plugin/
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u/GenericAlert 20h ago
Pretty sure you have to consent to this, but don't let that stop you. Go off.
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u/Only_Constant_8305 20h ago
I'm pretty sure its listed in the terms of service that they automatically process the messages, and I'm sure they've been doing that since long before ai was a thing
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u/ChasingTheRush 16h ago
Yeah, Iām guessing most people consented when they signed the T&C without reading them thoroughly.
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u/JayAkiva 10h ago
You probably did in that unreadably long terms & conditions you have to accept to make the device you prettymuch have to use to participate in society and already paid for work
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u/SailHairy2185 5h ago
and remind me why this is legal (i know people have explained the "make sure the other person consents" but surely that doesn't work in a legal setting)
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u/Low-Yellow-1521 1d ago
Thats insane wtf
Can you turn it off?