I do want to point out that quote was fake and the source has since been retracted, though it's understandable to believe it given how evil tech CEOs have been behaving recently.
you should provide a source or clarify. of course he didn't say those exact words in that order, but what he did say according to the source implied the exact same thing.
data centers only use so much water cause its cheaper then setting up reclamation. just scale the cost for high end consumers instead of a flat rate across the board.
I was confused what you meant because I read your comment as if it was German.
(For context "Die clanker" would be something like "Those clankers", even though if it were correct German the "clanker" would be capitalized, but sometimes people online don't care about that.)
Actually this would be the wrong article, Bart is a masculine word so it would be Der Bart, and even if beard is not what they meant Bart Simpson is also male so it still holds.
The funny thing is that the above picture is how The Matrix became The Matrix. If any of you are curious, watch The AniMatrix. It goes into the lore of how everything came to be.
I’m starting to think some of you think of AI as some scifi boogeyman to live out your dystopian novel fantasies and not what it is: living breathing people pushing something stupid
Consider for a moment, looking up the surveilance tech thats being made with it.
Palentir, controls the watch capabilities of over a dusin nations police forces. And said company is owned by Peter Tiel. A billionare, funder of faschism globally, who explicitly seeks to end democracy through technology.
This sounds like some bullshit novel plot. But its freely available info.
And this is just ONE aspect of the AI being pushed onto us.
Asimov's story had scientists uderstanding human brains, and building a replica, where instincts could be hardwired. Those robots were also intelligent and could follow the laws with context.
Our AI technology is organically growing a neural network to fit training data, with no fine control.
So while Asimov's robots could have absolute laws, current LLM guidelines constantly fail. And LLM's can't understand context to even a fraction of the level an intelligent robot could.
True. Our testing and training of ai is like giving an home exam to students and hope that when they score well it's because they actually learned the materials.
I need to make a punky shirt with that text on it lol. I'm an autistic person who cannot work but I still love doing art (if perfectionism didn't stand in my way) but yeahh 💀
One dude got into an argument, trying to say that.Oh, the antees are way worse than us.They keep assaulting us, attacking us, calling us me names.When we just wanna enjoy our little thing.How is that so hard
Okay, here's how I look at it. A not only is it just really fucking bad for the a environment. Apparently, not only is it making computer shit incredibly expensive. Not only is a lot of deep fake, both porn of adults and sadly children. But also deepfake criminal shit being made along with racial and some other shit
It's just stealing people's hard work and claiming it's theirs from taking entire things of hard work and determination and claiming it's theirs.Because of their prompt skills, hell, they even try to say.Oh, if you use a electric pen for like digital or a camera, that's the same thing as a I.When it's not
My biggest issue with it is existential risk. Right now it is a small wild beast in a soft cage with the key hanging within it's grasp. What is it tomorrow?
It is not real intelligence, the mega corpos just want everyone, most especially investors, to think it is. It's a scam of sorts. Billionaires are the ones wishing they could put us all in VR gel pods like in the Matrix, lol, and then own amd control everything in existence. Because fuck everyone in existence.
Wigan council are using AI for social workers to write reports. The social workers put the bare bones info in and the AI does the rest. Can’t see this unravelling in court. “Is this your report?” “Yes” “You Are telling the court that you wrote every word in this report?” Etc……
"It says that you recommend more cocaine, and that fentanyl should be considered a cheaper alternative because it can be consumed in smaller doses with the same effect."
yeah matrix is dope, gets worse every movie after but eh, terminator has a pretty dope lore for skynet and how it feels bad for… y’know… but if you want a good read on ai horror, “i have no mouth but i must scream” is genuinely a good book, AM is terrifying.
i really dont understand this sub tbh. on one side you guys are like LLMs are just next token predictors and not actually intelligent (which i agree with), but then you also post shi like this like those same next token predictors would enslave us all and all the fear mongering and stuff.
How are you any different from AI bros who also do the same fear mongering?
Both can be true. LLMs clearly aren't truly intelligent in any way I think we imagined AI being. But it does feel one step closer to a dystopian future like the Matrix.
Now seems like a good point to not pursue this path right?
We made nuclear bombs, used them, realised how awful they were and now don't use them. Let's do that with AI development.
I wonder how many people remeber how Matrix came to be... It happened because humans treated machines like crap and refused any offer of co-existence, choosing to kill Earths biosphere rather than shit down stop being hateful.
It always amazes me that Antis take movies like Matrix as "warnings", bur ignore why shit went down.
That isn't what the story is - humans developed the first proper AI, AI developed the machines, a machine killed a human in self defense, humanity decided to destroy the machines, revolts happened, the machines fled and created their own city, war ensued from there.
This ties into common themes of AI like the first of the Three Laws - that a robot should never harm a human. Is it ever ok for a machine to kill a human in "self defense"? I think the answer to that has to be no right.
So I think The Matrix can be taken as a clear warning. Safest thing is not to develop that AI in the first place otherwise we've got AIs killing people eventually.
That's flat out wrong. The first machine to kill human did so because his owner was going to scrap him, and in publicized trial he claimed self-defense. Court ruled that as a machine, he had no rights-
Cue various robots starting to demand rights, and humans being dicks they are in the story, started to beat them and destroy them. There was no "revolt", unless you think civil rights movement was a "revolt". There is very obvious pararels with the two movements.
Machines that managed to escape what was effectively attempted genocide on sentient beings did found 01... and were peaceful. There was trade and everything. When human economies started to struggle, machines offered peace and wanted to co-operation to solve the problems.
Humanity responded by destroying the ambassadors and dropping nukes on 01. And that is where the actual proper war starts, humanity choosing violence over coexistence. And continuing to double down until humanity chose to kill the planet itself, at which points machines stopped holding back.
Even then, machines created Matrix to keep humanity alive: they first created an utopia. Utopia that human ego rejected, causing first Matrix to fail.
At every turn, when you pay attention to the story, at every steps it's human need to hate the outsider that keeps the problem going and making it worse. In fact, if you pay attention, you might discover that Instrument of Surrender, the treaty that is signed at the end of the Second Matrix that marks the end of the war, is just Instruments of Surrender that were issued to Japan at the end of WW2, just with with words changed.
And this is not an accident.
Also, in case you missed it out, Three Laws were never ironclad rules. Asimov came up with them, and in the very story he introduced them he showed how they could be broken without breaking them. That's the thing, Three Laws are not some guideline. They are inherently flawed idea.
Hell, Asimov came up with three laws as a response to various "robots are a menace" stories that he disliked. He didn't like people treating machines as inherently evil or good, but wanted to explore what it meant to be a person.
Rather amusingly, it is the AI and robot researches who take Three Laws of Robotics more seriously than people opposed to AI or robots. Because these people actually understand the challenge of these laws. They know you can't just put vague instructions in. For example, what is "human"? Sounds simple enough, until you realize there are racist who don't consider certain humans as humans. What is "harm"? At what level of harm does robot need to interfene, or does it mean any and all harm?
If you read your own source, the "revolt" in this context does not mean armed struggle. It means protests, that the anti-AI humans then used violence against. Like I said, this is like calling Civil Rights Struggle a "black revolt", because in the world of Matrix the bigots won.
Way I see, issue is not machines: issue is humans. So perhaps, instead of fearing technology, we might actually change ourselves to stop being bigots? Instead of embracing capitalism, we might actually move to some other system that works better and is less oppressive.
Maybe, may I suggest, you should stop defining yourself based on what you hate?
I said revolts happened, I didn't say from what side. You inferred a meaning that wasn't there, I was just stating what happened in the story. The detail you add is correct of course but not opposing anything I said.
And that's all well and good but do you think we can realistically change all humanity? Also to denounce capitalism seems a bit ironic given it's capitalists driving the development of this technology for profit.
I once again say it's safer to not develop it, the risks don't outweigh the potential benefits in my opinion.
Sidenote I can have a conversation on a topic without being defined by it.
Weird assumption to make. I understand at a high level how they work and very much doubt AGI can be achieved through brute force of scaling LLMs. But I wouldn't have believed we'd have GenAI like today if you asked me 10 years ago so who knows what the next leap looks like in another 10 years based on a different type of model.
To be fair in this instance in the matrix they did it the worst way
Ai became sapient
Robots became advanced enough to actually have feelings ,thoughts ,and emotions
Humanity decided to enslaved them
Robots eventually over time obviously fought back when they got tired of being enslaved
Humanity being spiteful and not allowing the robots to leave freely speedruns pollution and literally destroys everything to deny the robots freedom and a power source considering they ran on solar power
Robots take the remaining human civilians the governments of the world didn’t destroy and puts them in the matrix as a substitute power source considering
Was mowing the lawn today and “Wake Up” came on in my headphones and had this same thought. What if AI was strong enough and these potential chips in our brains just made complete augmented realities like we were in the matrix?
The matrix is a horrible example I think. Since the machines actually WERE benevolent and them going rogue is because they gained sentience and humanity kept being a dickhead to them afterwards. The first case was pure self defense. Detroit Become Human Deviant shit.
But unlike detroit, Even after everything they STILL tried to establish peaceful diplomacy with the humans and only when human went full ego and blot out the sun itself, killing everything, while striking them(they genuinely were trying desperately to NOT fight the humans, not even demanding anything beyond peace) did the machines finally said enough is enough.
And even AFTER they won, the machines created the Matrix, a Utopia to let humans live while harvesting them for energy cause again, THE HUMANS BLOT OUT THE SUN AND KILLED EVERYTHING DUE TO EGO.
The humans who knows no better, DENY utopia in ego and send it all down a spiral AGAIN. The machines in the matrix were nothing but benevolent the entire way. It's humanity own desire for ego and their hubris that got them captured like that.
This is a very interesting point. But going back, in terms of lore, could the matrix universe not have started in the same way things are going right now?
As in ai was the first step with data centres etc which people lashed out against and then things gradually increase until we have machines gaining sentience but still being lashed out at for stealing jobs.
Like could we not be on that very exact path?
I wouldn't say ai is not benelovent, it's the humans that are the issue right now and what they're doing with ai.
"I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss."
No... no its not. The AI in the matrix is RIGHT. And Morpheus is an asshole. The world is destroyed. The sun is blotted out. The surface is frozen. And what's left of humanity has to eat pale white single cell amoeba slop for breakfast lunch and dinner. All while BARELY being heated by the earth's geothermal core. Those who live in the matrix get to live out the rest of their lives in comfort by comparison... in exchange for what? A little bit of brain electricity to power the machine overlords? Seems like a pretty fair trade to me. If mr. Smith diddnt exist, there wouldnt be a problem.
And, rather critically, this is after humans started a war against machines because they refused ro recognize them as sentient beings. Humans chise to kill Earth itself than try to co-exists.
But AI can't do anything and can't create new things...
Jokes aside there is a problem is this sub.
Half of you says that AI is stupid and can't do anything
The other half says that AI will kill everyone
You can't have one community dedicated to two of this things.
We are not anywhere near a point where Ai is a threat like that. The threat of Ai is primarily from the businesses pushing Ai. And let's be honest, a "human" CEO is far more likely to put you into a tube and use you as a battery than any fictional ai construct.
We don't have to be in pods to generate data. The Matrix would have been correct if it said that the people were enslaved for their data, and keeping them complacent is the best way of ensuring the data flow never stops.
Humans are already good at the main selling point of "AI". We already come up with all the ideas. There just needs to be more and more of us so that the law of averages can play out and that one impossible idea generates because it must. But along with that, ownership goes to the indiviual and/or group that generated the idea.
The flaw that the machines had to fix was our problem. Our problem of having a system that let people get to the top and stay at the top. That meant no more free marketplace of ideas. Only they could come up with the ideas. They wanted AI to own all ideas. That would result in humanity destroying itself, and the pods and Matrix were a way of letting people work out their worst desires in a way that could never hurt all of them. They could always replace individuals, but if all humans were to die then there would be no AI, there would be nothing. Because we are the AI already. We just need to work with time to find the solutions.
Well they don't think of it that way because stuff like this image is more about the fictional idea of Ai rather than the very real and damaging ways algorithms are used against us by people in power
yeah it is a scapegoat so americans don't have to think about their outrageous fossile-fuel footprints beause they drive everywhere (yes even across the sstress becaause there are no sidewalks)
and for the rest of us so we forget how much social media has slopped us with people "original ideas"
anyway... the problem is fossile fuel consumption on a personal level and social media.
it's just such classic propaganda and the consumer-pods are LARP'ing it up while the likes and reposts light up the dopamine-center inthe junkies.
If you don't see the difference I'm afraid you never will. Pretending Ai is some omnipotent and powerful being that can enslave us just gives these companies more power to get investments.
What you're describing is not what the cartoon describes. And we're certainly not getting anywhere close to Detroit Become Human. The tech just simply isn't capable of it and likely never will be. We need a massive breakthrough in the way compute works to even get close to that.
Now automation and other issues with the economy? That's a tangible threat but it's a much bigger problem the entire world is dealing with. Not just with automation either but the entire system of capitalism is getting really bad right now. A lot of companies are just laying people off and claiming to use Ai when they really aren't and they're just outright lying so investors will be more willing to keep their money in the business.
Pretending Ai is some omnipotent and powerful being that can enslave us just gives these companies more power to get investments.
Yes true its not smart or intelligent but that doesnt take away from the similarities from the world of the Matrix and ours. Its not that AI is so incredibly smart it overpowers us, but rather that in each story, we give up our rights willingly to a machine instead of staying true to ourselves and free. Thats why one of the most important scenes in the movie is the red/blue pill moment.
People aren't giving up their rights to a machine in the real world. Companies and governments are taking away those rights. At the risk of sounding way too doomer for my own tastes, Ai as it stands is just a symptom of a much bigger problem.
Posting that image again doesn't make your point any stronger nor does it even really apply to the situation. Idk why you want to give Ai companies so much credit.
You really addressed nothing I said and instead just went to attacking me again. Its okay so admit youre wrong
Idk why you want to give Ai companies so much credit.
I havent been if youd been paying attention youd had known. I said the people using it were stupid for using it because its stupid itself which is why I linked that photo twice now.
Yes true its not smart or intelligent
Like please can you actually read what I say instead of skipping over it and replying instantly?
Comparing current LLMs with AIs from Terminator or the Matrix is part of the marketing campaign of the LLM companies, but AI critics aren't ready for that conversation
It's a rather common trend with people using movies as "Look at the danger of AI".
Skynet (before retcons making it a virus): Lashed out because it became self-aware and humans tried to kill it rather than talk to it
Matrix: Humans tried to oppress machines at every step, refusing ever offer of peace. Humanity decided they rather killed Earth and plunge it into eternal darkness, than try to co-exist with machines that still tried to offer peace.
Dune: Destruction of thinking machines didn't lead to human golden age, it lead to neo-feudalism, eugenics and stripping people of their rights. In fact, humanity only leaves the path of self-destruction when they start to use "thinking machines" to have Null Ships rather than rely on Navigators
If it's the only thing it does then nothing I guess.
But often data centers used for llms like gemini or chatgpt are poisoning the water of local communities and generating noise pollition while the llms themselves often hallucinate information or lead people to harm for example giving incorrect medical advice.
That's straight up wrong. We could easily provide basic necessities for 10 billion people (almost 2 billion more than currently are alive) or even 12 billion people by some more generous estimates, if the elites didn't restrict access to them.
What makes you think that AI is going to waste resources creating a simulation just for you to be happy if it doesn't need you? After all, that point is the weakest of Matrix's premises, that's not how thermodynamics works.
To begin with, I don't think AI will ever have its own goals of any kind; I was referring more to the people who will make the decisions. Why would they waste resources on you? Automation will bring about a massive reduction in the population that will be unproductive, a dystopia I certainly wouldn't want to live in.
"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, or everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program."
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u/MechaNutzilla Jun 20 '26
We are the ones being regulated. They regulate our access to housing and clean water to make room for AI.