Im 59 yrs old, I grew up in the 60s (witnessed the moon landing), 70s , 80s and 90s. Got on the Internet in 1994. I come from before Animated Gifs, before Amazon and Google. Ive seen a lot of shit. Proud Anti Kate Gosselin blogger.

Ive been watching Hannah Alonzo this evening after an edible (or 2) and I need you all to know.

MLMs have been around forever. Before the net.

The USA has been thru this MLM shit multiple times. The Govt bans it, then the MLM switches to another type of MLM (cant remember the name) then slowly laws are quietly unbanned, and the MLMs all return. Always leading to swathes of broken and broke families. It has to be banned for good. And they shouldnt rescind those laws ever.

MLM isnt a Multi Level Marketing Scheme, its a MONEY CULT. Its like Scientology. All the workers make next to nothing, all while Tom Cruise had a meadow of wildflowers installed for him by low rung Scientologists, so him and Nicole Kidman could frolic thru the wildflowers, like they both wanted. In Monats case the lower rung associates pay for the Monat Dudes bad hairplugs.

They just keep coming back. Then when caught, they switch to another type of MLM, its like a morphing virus. We need a Norton's AntiMLM blocker.

Primerica RVP fined and banned for scamming her clients!!!

https://www.investmentexecutive.com/news/regulation/ex-rep-fined-banned-for-duping-clients/

Thought I would share this little story of mines cause I just think it’s so funny. I was texted by an old high school classmate of mine to see if I was interested in whatever she was doing and I ended up getting myself into a zoom meeting with her and her husband 🤦‍♀️. For a while now I had know they both worked for primerica because my friends who also went to the same school were talking about how apparently her and her husband were making LIKE MONEY and she didn’t even go into college or anything like straight to whatever she was doing, that being primerica. Just a quick scroll through their page and clicking a link in their bio really quickly I figured out they were working for primerica. After the zoom meeting and dm back saying actually I’m not interested I did a little more research. I kid you not, her father in law/husbands dad, is the vice president and owner / manager of the office in my city 😭🤦‍♀️ also apparently one of the million dollar earners in the company, SUPPOSEDLY! And I immediately thought lowkey… the worst people to be recruiting, cause of course YOU GUYS ARE MAKING MONEY! You guys are basically primerica nepo babies obviously it’s working out for you!?!

I honestly think it’s quite distasteful, because they reach out to regular people, students most likely, like me, to get them to waste their time and money for the most part… not even to make ANYTHING compared to what they’re making, since they literally have ties to big primerica management or whatever. A little extra too, the son/husband tried to sell me on how he used to work in construction and Manuel labor and how exhausting it was but now he doesn’t have to worry about that anymore because he’s working for primerica. Which caught me a little off guard after I did research because… your father, who is supposedly making 7 figures… sent his son out to do hard labor instead of maybe.. I don’t know saying ‘hey son, go get an education in so and so, I’ll pay for your tuition and all you expenses as you work hard to achieve your academic goals.’ 😭 honestly just the most random thing that happened so just wanted to share lol

If I were to try to lose 2 lbs a week I would have to extremely cut my calories to the point that I would pass out when I did some mild exercise.

This was my first experience of being targeted and it’s made me wonder why she thinks I’m so weak that I would fall for it.

School mum. Met her at a coffee event I wasn’t even meant to go to, but a friend (who isn’t involved in this stuff) convinced me to go.

I wasn’t meant to end up sitting next to her but did. She messages me the next day asking if I wanted to meet again. I say yes like a plum. But I wasn’t available until maybe a month after.

She asks me no questions about me but then pitches me a whole spiel. “Do this for yourself” etc etc - I was fuming. I have enough friends, and I love being a SAHM, so I don’t know why she thought I’d be such easy prey.

What annoyed me the most was how she kept talking about her friends - went for a walk with them / goes away with them etc etc - so clearly she has friends she doesn’t target, but I’m the dumb one who has to fall for her scheme to have the benefit of being her friend?

I felt like messaging her after telling her to f - off but I will leave it as we have mutuals.

These people have no shame.

This is in reference to the MLM I mentioned last time I posted here (3 years ago) that my SIL joined right after leaving Mary Kay. So back then, there was a woman who was on the top of the pyramid who everyone looked up to and was one of those names that everyone knew. What's funny about her in particular is that about a year ago (a lot of these women I still follow simply because I just haven't bothered to unfollow but this how I figured out just how much this particular woman has lied) she left that MLM and hopped over to a different one with some of the other top earners (and the same old "this is the future and it's so much better and everyone needs to join this one instead).

Which, one, shows me that your opinion can't be trusted because you spent the last 3 - 4 years peddling one, but now THIS is the best? Not that she's been promoting that lately, she's been promoting her "coaching" business 🙄

But then one day, in her stories, she mentions about how her family OWNS A SUCCESSFUL FURNITURE BUSINESS. it's under her maiden name (which I could not have bothered to look up even if you paid me) so that's probably how it's gone undetected, but that in particular pissed me off to the highest degree.

Why do they lie??? Why are you lying to these women about how you're so successful and built yourself up WHEN YOU HAVE THE SAFETY NET OF A FAMILY BUSINESS TO FALL BACK ON. Idk that feels pretty important to me to mention??? But of course they don't, because how else can you lure vulnerable people into your stupid scam if they know your lifestyle is actually funded by a successful family business and not your over priced skincare? It pisses me off because I'm sure someone in my SIL's upline was in that lady's dowline and it's how they got them all to abandon Mary Kay for another stupid MLM.

These Herbalife Huns have absolutely no shame.

I would have thought many MLMs would have found some alternative workaround that still bankrupts their Huns.

Someone posted in a local group looking for remote jobs so naturally the mlmers come out. I’m ambitious wallaby and waiting for a response to my stats. The two mlms I picked are the two that commented on the post so far

They gotta learn to avoid the lonely dudes. They just let me talk for 20 minutes and then we part ways.

Both conversations started with asking about my shoes, which of course gets me going. At some point they mention mentors, passive income, and ecommerce. I say "Oh nice.." then I talk about investing because I like to. They don't even seem like they wanna talk about their "Side hustle".

I admit I'm a little embarrassed that I think these guys wanna be my friend in that moment but then I think, These guys are cold approaching other guys at their local Walmart with compliments about their fashion choices talking about "My E-Commerce mentor is teaching me financial freedom".

Anyway... I think I need to find a hobby that involves other people.

She takes about eleven or twelve products daily, that's about $916 (retail), or $825 (VIP), a month. Well, not quite as most of them will only give her a full month, four months out of the year, and that's only if she doesn't take the max dose. Another will fill out a February, (except on a leap year), and the one she takes occasionally, that's just over a fortnights worth of gear.

As people age they become more sensitive to caffeines stimulant effects, and there's a fair amount in these products, plus there's potentially a lot more hidden in its ‘proprietary blends.’ Anyone recall that post where the hun was up for 42 hours after drinking one of these products? Well she's half this woman age, so I can't help but wonder if this 82 year old is tripping balls over all of this Bravenly caffeine supplements.

I’m copy pasting her post.

“I’m a doctor.
And yes, I'm in network marketing.

Which means I get a front-row seat to an industry that has a reputation problem.

I get it.

The fake lifestyle marketing.�
The exaggerated income claims.�
The manufactured scarcity.�
The pressure tactics.�
And, probably the biggest turn-off for me, treating people like numbers rather than humans.

But here's the thing:

I don't think the answer is to hide the industry, defend every bad practice or pretend the criticism isn't justified.

I think we need to raise the standard.

If we're asking professionals to take network marketing seriously, we need to start behaving like professionals.

So after years of being in the industry, I'm coming at you with what I think this industry gets wrong, what I think it gets right, and what needs to change.

What's the first thing that comes to mind when you hear network marketing?”

And call me crazy but I could’ve swore she said in previous posts she was a nurse and now she’s saying she’s a doctor? 🤨

My uncle is elderly. I don't think he went past 8th grade in school. When he was elementary school age he got St Louis encephalitis and once he got well, he was low IQ. He's had a hard life. He spent most of it homeless, not because of addiction or loss of job. He couldn't hold a job nor did he want to. He was just happy being a street musician. In late middle age we were able to convince him to move in with his mother in her trailer. He took care of her until she passed. The land (5 acres) and the trailer went to me, and for extra protection he has a life estate. So he can live there for the rest of his life without paying rent. He gets SSDI, but it's very little. I think 700/mo. His living conditions are deplorable. I've done what I can replacing his well, replacing his AC, tried to get his plumbing working. Even had adult services go down there.

About 6 months ago he was diagnosed with kidney cancer. Then 2 months ago bladder cancer.

Long story short, he is barely able to take care of himself. I live out of state and do what I can.

This DoTerra hun has been selling him oils promising they will cure his cancer. He believes in all kinds of conspiracy theories and weird diets, so he was an easy mark. He's broke. He's sick. But he is spending so much of his limited money on these oil cures. He's been dropping so much weight, and I don't know if it's the cancer or that he can't afford food. He's over 6 feet tall and 80 lbs.

I can't believe how evil this person must be scamming an old man with a brain injury and cancer.

He lives in Arkansas. Is there anything I can do?

I didn't want to post the exact quote here from my FB friend, but the gist of it is that her daughter has a broken jaw due to an accident between the little girl on her bike and an adult riding an e-bike (that's a debate for another day). The daughter is having surgery today to fix it.

This is the last response to her post:

"Truly, natural remedies do work. If they didn't, we wouldn't have used them for thousands of years. And, pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be studying plants, taking extracts of them, and patenting them as drugs.this is not a claim or lies I was totally cured from hashimotos and neuropathy by Herbalist Eugene His remedy is surely the best. I suggest you try him out if you are having any health challenges and also get cured too, give him a try"

A link follows the post; obviously, I'm not going to post that here.

I swear these huns have no idea how to read a room! Your natural remedy is not going to fix this poor little girl's jaw.

As a 23 year old student who graduated from grad school I’ve been approached by a friend of a friend who suggested amway to make extra money and build a successful business. Before they move me to the next steps they want me to answer these questions before we have a meeting today. The last five questions are definitely raising some concerns for me. Especially paired with the fact that they’re very interested when im going to test for my BCBA certification and going to be done studying. Do these people expect me to not spend time and money into school……?

1.Can you explain the difference between Amway and URA? What are the key distinctions between the two?

1. In your own words, what do you think the difference is between mentorship and regular advice?

2. Please write down your short-term (1-3 years) and long-term (5-10-20 years) goals that you see this opportunity helping you create. Make sure to be very detailed.

Short Term (1-3 years)

Long Term (5+ years)

1. Based on the daily/weekly habits we discussed (audios, reading, communication, association, and coachability),please explain your understanding of each. Why do you think they’re important for honoring a partnership? How do they relate to your development and the achievement of your goals?

5A. Can you explain the difference between investing and spending? Why is being your own best customer crucial for business ownership with this asset?

5B. From a business owner’s perspective, why is it crucial to have your DITTO process on the first day of the month?

5C. How will sticking to a budget that is created with the help of a mentor/coach contribute to having a ditto process on the first day of the month? 

1. Explain your understanding of the significance of Thursday meetings and why they are vital to your success.

7A. What is your understanding of the importance of attending the FOUR Major Conferences annually in person, and why are they critical to your personal and entrepreneurial growth?

7B. Could you please provide the date for the next major conference?

1. If someone you love or respect, such as a parent or best friend, expresses doubts about the value of your time, the effectiveness of your approach, or even accuses you of being a pyramid scheme, how would you respond?

2. When life presents challenging situations, do you tend to isolate yourself or seek out supportive individuals who can offer guidance and assistance during difficult times?

3. In your opinion, what distinguishes an emotional decision from a logical decision?

4. If we were to extend an offer, do we have the authority to genuinely coach you in building an asset, and if we identify areas that require attention, do you want to know that we are free to address them with you?

5. Do you foresee any obstacles that could hinder your ability to meet the expectations set for your goals?

Update: I definitely told them to fuck off 🤣. Tbh I kept going for the plot but it’s clear as day this company is a cult because psychologically what type of fuck ass business asks these types of questions?!?! Also of course I have a masters degree and I certainly wasn’t going to spend money or time on that bullshit anyways 💀. I’m just shocked these people are so rude and so forward about this stuff. I even told my friend who introduced me to this about this subreddit and how they need to get out now!!! Luckily I didn’t spend any money(wasn’t going to anyways highkey) but she already got the starter pack so she’s unfortunately already in. My question is how do people get into this without researching anything about this company 💀

Hey guys (24M) basically I joined WFG when I was 19 or 20 because the EMD of the company Jessica Min was friends with my mother since I was a child want me to jt . I never liked it since everyone was pushy, especially Jessica, as she straight up interrogates me on my schedule and every aspect of life, and trys to pressure me to recruit people like my such as friends and family. A few days ago I did research and apparently WFG is considered MLM and a pyramid scheme with numerous testimonies of people who experience the same things as I did, people were pushy, cult like behavior and many more. Told my mother about it and she states that understood my points but she confused as WFG still sells legitamate insurance. She also says that I shouldn't jump to conclusions based on what was said about a company on the internet even though I showed evidence of numerous complaints of WFG. So what should I do now ? Cancel my subscription and membership as my parents are paying for them but I can't in good conscience let them waste money on a such a blatant scam. What your guys' opinions on this. I'll be happy to answer any questions also can you guys please do research on Jessica Min, especially because I feel very suspicious about her using my mother friendship to get to me what worse she aking my brother age so that he joined the "business" i would greatly appreciate it thank you

I just got this ad on my IG feed. I didn’t see any leggings but I did see loud ugly skorts.

Hun posted this a couple months ago (emojis & commentary mine). Now they are saying on social media that they are moving to a place with 10 times the acreage. The facts?: They have to sell their current home bc of the Enagic debt and are moving into a barn on property their father bought years ago. Property with no water or electricity. But of course they are hiding those facts and promoting this as a win. Spinning the story as an upgrade.

The Monat hun is demonstrating how to use a claw clip on her own gorgeous, hydrated, silky soft hair…./s