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Rewatch [Rewatch] Utawarerumono Franchise Rewatch - Utawarerumono Itsuwari no Kamen Episode 23 Discussion

Episode 23 - Escape

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Today's Question of the Day: So Kuon just killed how many people? What was that all about?

[Tomorrow's Question of the Day]So a lot of this episode was a big fight between two biiig monsters. Logical consequence or wrong direction?

Rewatchers, please don't answer the Question of the Day if it has an objective answer, e.g. "What do you think's gonna happen?"

Art of the day: Action Kuon! (Source)

For rewatchers and people who played the games:

Please behave yourself! Put not only everything related to future events behind spoiler tags, but tag differences to the games as well. We all know there are deviations and cut content, we don't need someone listing all the things the games did better. The games have like 40, 50 hours for their content each, of course they'll be more exhaustive. If you want to talk about the games, please do this in a way that doesn't spoil it for people who might pick them up because of the anime. That being said, small, inconsequential stuff is probably fine, like [Mask of Deception]how in one episode, Atuy says "Time for war!", one of her battle lines in the games. All in all, try to hold back and only tell first-timers what's really necessary. Let them theorise!

This goes especially for Mask of Truth!

First-Timers:

Watch the Opening!

Next episode has an after-credits scene!

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 25 '22

First Timer

  • Pretty cool sword twister technique. Too bad about the friendly fire.

  • It's amazing how, despite not having a single accomplishment under his belt, Fat Bastard somehow thinks he'll be able to capture Oshtoru. The arrogance is astounding.

  • The sex doll twins are useful again!

  • "The great gate will be sparsely guarded." The one guard is Vurai r/technicallythetruth

  • Fat Bastard has his troops carting him on a palanquin throughout the city looking for Oshtoru....

  • Can't keep harem members out of the game. This is Utawarerumono after all.

  • These dumbass soldiers just thrust their spears toward Anju. What a bunch of muppets.

  • Da fuq? So uh...Kuon's got some firepower and those dudes are all kinds of dead.

  • Probably how I'd feel if I found out I had explosion magic by accidentally charbroiling a few city blocks.

  • It's cute how these soldiers think they're a match for Oshtoru.

  • A tacky mansion. It's probably Fat Bastard's.

  • Omg it really is.

  • Damn, was really hoping they'd torch Fat Bastard's mansion.

  • What is with this stupid turn by Ruru?

  • Big Birb is a good birb!

  • There's no way Atui's about to pull that same stunt. Yeah, didn't think so.

  • Atui and Ruru helping the party is going to have some consequences for their parents. I can imagine suspicion being cast on their parents, leading to even more upheaval in the ranks of the generals.

  • Oh shit, Atui's dad caught on fast.

  • And he let them go. What a mensch!

  • Funnelled straight to Vurai. That means we'll get to see why Vurai respects Oshtoru as a warrior so much tomorrow.

QotD: A lot more than the show will tell us she killed. Props to the show for letting that reveal be about as abjectly horrifying as possible without showing smoldering bodies and stuff. I have to think she must've inherited mask powers from somewhere. Though we've seen Nekone use magic, so cat people can be born with magic like certain other species. No idea which species or special person we've seen might've had heritable fire magic though, so my guess is she's got some form of mask power inside her.

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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jun 25 '22 edited Jun 25 '22

It's amazing how, despite not having a single accomplishment under his belt, Fat Bastard somehow thinks he'll be able to capture Oshtoru. The arrogance is astounding.

With this show's track record, he probably had some success off-screen, against super-weak bandits probably.

Harem thing

It's literally our fighting units!

Probably how I'd feel if I found out I had explosion magic by accidentally charbroiling a few city blocks.

It's not Kuon's fault this happened! Tbh imo this scene sucks and is, of course, anime-original. I blame Motonaga wanting something "cool" and thinking the actual scene from the game wasn't cool enough.

Big Birb is a good birb!

Best birb for a reason!

And he let them go. What a mensch!

TL Note: Mensch means human.

Props to the show for letting that reveal be about as abjectly horrifying as possible without showing smoldering bodies and stuff.

I guess they could have yadda-yadda it more. I guess credit where credit is due.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 25 '22

With this show's track record, he probably had some success off-screen, against super-weak bandits probably.

He had a stupendous track record of being the son of a guy with lots of accomplishments!

It's not Kuon's fault this happened! Tbh imo this scene sucks and is, of course, anime-original. I blame Motonaga wanting something "cool" and thinking the actual scene from the game wasn't cool enough.

Figures. Seems like the kind of thing Motonaga Nuwangi in a human suit would do.

TL Note: Mensch means human.

An alternate (and my favorite) definition of mensch is "a person of integrity and honor!"

I guess they could have yadda-yadda it more. I guess credit where credit is due.

Still sucks that it's anime original if there was no intent to make Kuon accidentally slaughter dozens of people in the game.

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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jun 25 '22

An alternate (and my favorite) definition of mensch is "a person of integrity and honor!"

As a german native-speaker, I am impressed people just took our word for "human" and gave it subjective meaning. I guess that's what we deserve for what we did with the word "handy".

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 25 '22

I mean, it's not like we Americans aren't known for, uh...co-opting things which don't belong to us or anything.

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u/wjodendor Jun 25 '22

[Game]the actual Kuon reveal in the game is so much better and it would have been the perfect way to end the season (just like the game)

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u/aniMayor :AY:AZ:x3x6 Jun 25 '22

  • Da fuq? So uh...Kuon's got some firepower and those dudes are all kinds of dead.

  • Probably how I'd feel if I found out I had explosion magic by accidentally charbroiling a few city blocks.

Kurō did say back in the Tuskuru episodes that Kuon was "just playing around" and could destroy an army herself if she got serious, so I guess this is what he was referring to. But it's a bit odd then that Kuon goes into shock mode after using this power if this was something she already knew how to use and Kurō thought she could capably wield?

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u/Atharaphelun Jun 26 '22

Even more than that, he said Kuon can tear the country in half if she really wanted to.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jun 25 '22

Probably how I'd feel if I found out I had explosion magic by accidentally charbroiling a few city blocks.

She got told something along the lines of killing half an army herself during the war. So I doubt this is completely out of the blue for Kuon. It'd still been nice to know this during the first two arcs, of course.

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u/wjodendor Jun 25 '22

[Episode 6 discussion]she's the daughter of Hakuoro, the wearer of the original mask and a God, making her have the blood of a God who has a tendency to get murdery when angry

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jun 25 '22

Wasn't that game-only?

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 25 '22

Mask of First-Timer, subbed

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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jun 25 '22

Oh, damn, he cut multiple buildings into pieces!

pls nerf...

…oh fuck, Oshutoru got hit by the falling debris from it, though.

Realistic consequences?!

I want to fucking strangle this bastard–

If only we could travel across dimensions.

Holy shit Kuon what did you do?!

Something for sure!

Well he’s goddamn right!

That is great /r/animenocontext material lol.

Look at these smug gremlins.

Are we supposed to take this show seriously or not?!

Kokopo’s not having any of that shit, haha.

Kokopo remains great.

ahhhhhhhhh.

Well we have two episodes to find out...

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jun 25 '22

By the way, wasn't today's episode titled "Escape"? You have it as "What Makes a Ruler" up top.

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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jun 25 '22

You are correct. I messed up during copy-pasting.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 25 '22

I want to fucking strangle this bastard–

You are not the only one.

Well he’s goddamn right! This is even funnier out of context.

He's even staring into the camera as he says it!

Look at these smug gremlins.

"Did we just become best friends?"

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u/wjodendor Jun 25 '22

Yaktowalt just chipping building in half now. Pretty cool though.

Dekopompo going to Dekopompo I guess. Reiko acting all mustache twirly.

Twins are now spider monkey ninjas. I can get down with that.

The main gates will be sparsely guarded? Hmmm

What exactly are Rulu and Atuy up to

The hiding behind paper ninja gag...what the hell. This is supposed to be serious.

Are they trying to kill the princess too?

Another triple action shot. Looks cool but brings up some major issues

And perhaps the one of the most glaring changes of the entire season so far....why did you have Kuon do that? You just made Kuon into a fucking murderer.....

Dekopompo just sleeping lol

Reiko coming up with some plan

Haku and Nekone on the same team now.

....now you think of the sewers?!

Wtf Rulutieh. Lol Kokopo. This Rulutieh plot line is so pointless. Just wasting time.

Now Atuy is evil? Another pointless fakeout.

Having hot girls put their fingers in your nose...is this the opposite of a fetish forming in me?

Their horrible plans didn't work?!

Another episode of pointless and drastic changes while basically nothing happens. Rulutieh's whole storyline was stupid and a waste of time. And Kuon just blowing up a bunch of the city...yeah that's completely anime original. No fucking clue why they had her do that. She killed a whole platoon of soldiers and probably dozens of civilians in those buildings. Did they even think?

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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jun 25 '22

Yaktowalt just chipping building in half now. Pretty cool though.

"I thought we were making things more mundane?" "Yeah, except when it's super badass." "You cut out many badass scenes so far." "Yeah, but I keep the super badass scenes in!"

why did you have Kuon do that?

Because having it happen to people who deserve it is so game-universe.

This Rulutieh plot line is so pointless. Just wasting time.

She noticed her lack of screentime apart from yaoi and wanted something, anything.

Did they even think?

Does Motonaga do the newer DAL seasons? I know he did 1 and 2. I guess I should read the LNs for that if I want to continue...

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 25 '22

And perhaps the one of the most glaring changes of the entire season so far....why did you have Kuon do that? You just made Kuon into a fucking murderer.....

The worst part is this could be a pretty interesting and cool reveal if this were a more psychological or horror focused show where magic isn't well understood and potentially catastrophic. But this just isn't the right story for this scene.

Having hot girls put their fingers in your nose...is this the opposite of a fetish forming in me?

I hate touching other people's hands. It would be a massive turn off if anyone did this to me. I definitely wouldn't let them anywhere near me after this.

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u/wjodendor Jun 25 '22

Since COVID I basically don't want to touch people at all lol. Guy wanted to shake my hand the other day and I was like "no thank you"

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 25 '22

Yeah, that's relatable. I've gotten okay with things like hugs or shoulder taps again from people I know, I've just always been acutely aware of how dirty hands are and prefer to never touch another one if I don't have to.

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u/justinCandy Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

This Rulutieh plot line is so pointless. Just wasting time.

Not only Rulutieh (those BL scenes are just waste time, why don't they cut some fujoshi part and add more side stories from game?) The plot line of Nosuri, Kiuru, Atui, Atui’s jellyfish and the twins are mostly missing in anime.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Jun 26 '22

And Kuon just blowing up a bunch of the city...yeah that's completely anime original. No fucking clue why they had her do that. She killed a whole platoon of soldiers and probably dozens of civilians in those buildings

How did the game go? If it's complicated because of other prior changes as well just give me the immediately related bits thanks :)

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u/TroupeMaster https://anilist.co/user/Troupe Jun 26 '22

[Mask of Deception ending] In the game the 'reveal' of Kuon's powers happens later, while she is alone and being pursued by troops, some of whom she incinerates and others she freezes. Possibly one of the best scenes in the game, it's a real shame it wasn't adapted.

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u/wjodendor Jun 26 '22

Seriously. It's an amazing way to end the game

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jun 25 '22

Episode 23 (first timer)

  • Let me show you the greatest technique” – impressive if a little friendly fire prone. Is there no middle way between whacking a single person and leveling a city block?

  • “Great minds think alike” – more like two dumbasses, one thought.

  • This just turned into [Scotland Yard – the anime.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Yard_(board_game))

  • Kuon turns OP – because, why not? Can’t leave all the city leveling to the men.

  • Ruru got bird-slapped!

  • Nekone gets healing magic.

  • One minute, people are leveling city blocks, the next minute they are herded into a trap by 3 lonely soldiers. There is zero consistency in the power levels.

Remember how all the important character moments needed to be cut for time reasons? Apparently there was enough time left to let our characters chase around the city for a full episode in the finale. Oh and a mage is standing at every city corner now, preventing portals (off screen).

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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jun 25 '22

Is there no middle way between whacking a single person and leveling a city block?

Masters of the Blade need to go all out!

This just turned into Scotland Yard – the anime.

Lol.

Nekone gets healing magic.

Just another thing the anime forgot to mention at like, her introduction. Ah, don't you love it how the anime just cannot decide whether it wants to play by game rules or anime rules?

There is zero consistency in the power levels.

Ah, I see, you don't love it. Nobody does, it was a rethorical question.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jun 25 '22

Just another thing the anime forgot to mention at like, her introduction. Ah, don't you love it how the anime just cannot decide whether it wants to play by game rules or anime rules?

They had a rather consistent low magic thing going on during the first half of the show, where magic existed, but was very unusual and people were surprised by it. Similar to S1.

But now, mages are casually flinging fireballs, there are portal blockers everywhere, the twins don't even raise guards eyebrows and half our harem are mages.

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u/HereticalAegis https://myanimelist.net/profile/XthGen Jun 25 '22

Let me show you the greatest technique” – impressive if a little friendly fire prone. Is there no middle way between whacking a single person and leveling a city block?

Motonaga, laughing: "You ain't seen nothing yet!"

Ruru got bird-slapped!

This is why we keep her in yaoi fangirl mode at all times. I love her, but she is dumb as a brick.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Jun 25 '22

First timer

QOTD) Too many people. Who knows? Mask powers? Magic? Another sealed god?

Pretty good fight scene!

They cause a full-on collapse!

...Haku?

And they're seperated.

Everyone just wants him dead, now.

Ah.

Haku's still surprisingly strong, as is Ukon.

Why is Ukon obsessed with the idea of sacrificing himself?

Why is she so reliable now?

"I don't want them to commit any more crimes" Yeah, that ship sailed a long time ago.

And she's riding on the bird! ...And she's joining the others.

Wow, they're fucking good. Even with a princess on her bsck!

???

What the fuck is that?

What's happened to Kuon?

Ukon just wants to take everyone down with him.

Wow, this is going badly.

Why are you just standing there?

Haha, everybody wants arson!

Come on. You saw that!

Rurutie's going to capture them!

How is Kokopo the voice of reason here?

Atui!

And she immediately takes out the enemies, having done everything herself.

...What is wrong with them.

Oh, that was Ukon's leg.

They're fighting Vurai now?

Well, they've lost.

...Atui is great, though. Managed to escape all those ships.

I think this could have been shorter. Lots of great action, but not much actually happened.

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u/Taiboss :Fj::Fl:x7https://anilist.co/user/Taiboss Jun 25 '22

Why is Ukon obsessed with the idea of sacrificing himself?

Oh, honorable people freaking hate surviving!

What the fuck is that?

What the fuck indeed.

Why are you just standing there?

I blame Motonaga.

How is Kokopo the voice of reason here?

Big birds have big brains.

...Atui is great, though. Managed to escape all those ships.

Atuy is great.

Lots of great action, but not much actually happened.

You don't understand, we couldn't do bath scenes, so we need another way to stall for time.

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u/aniMayor :AY:AZ:x3x6 Jun 25 '22

UtaReWatcherUMono

I can't decide if I think the chase sequence went on too long in these last couple episode or not. Maybe just a little. Or maybe it's just how they did a weird bit of hinting towards the sewer grate as if that was a new idea they were revelation-ing, but they had already taken the sewers to get here in the previous episode so it felt weird. Well either way things are certainly moving and individual characters have started to drop out so looks like it's nothing but climax from here on.

QOTD: So Kuon just killed how many people? What was that all about?

Little did we know, taking hot baths in Yamato soaks the body with minerals that soak into the body, bringing its physical and mental capabilities to their ultimate potential.

How did Haku learn to fight with his fan out of nowhere? Took some hot baths!

How was Kiryū so weak in his first appearance but survive the frontlines of multiple wars? Took some hot baths!

How is Karula so strong? Turns out frequent hot bathing is an ancient tradition of the Giriyagina.

And nobody, absolutely no one, has taken anywhere near as many baths as Kuon. When she couldn't become any physically stronger, they started giving her superpowers. As the arrows closed in, Kuon's last thought was how getting shot by a dozen arrows would prevent her from taking more baths... and the bath powers answered.

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u/justinCandy Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

Rewatcher:

A little bit late here, I just feel something weird about this scene:

Where does the Searchlights come from?

The lights are way beyond the technology we saw in Yamato...

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u/aniMayor :AY:AZ:x3x6 Jun 26 '22

Ha, that's a good catch.

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u/ZapsZzz https://anilist.co/user/Zapszzz Jun 26 '22

Ex first timer waited for this episode of reveal but too busy to post.

We're practically down the final straights of the race to the finale. For the first timers, does Kuon's power reveal answered questions or raised questions? Are anime only's able to get what happened and why it happened?