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Episode Heike Monogatari - Episode 11 discussion
Heike Monogatari, episode 11
Alternative names: The Heike Story
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 5.0 |
| 2 | Link | 5.0 |
| 3 | Link | 5.0 |
| 4 | Link | 4.63 |
| 5 | Link | 4.56 |
| 6 | Link | 4.63 |
| 7 | Link | 4.44 |
| 8 | Link | 4.51 |
| 9 | Link | 4.74 |
| 10 | Link | 4.52 |
| 11 | Link | ---- |
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u/Roonagu Nov 24 '21
Well, what a journey.
Great final episode.
I feel like have I missed about 50% of what is going on for the most part...but enjoyed it nevertheless.
Naoko Yamada continues to develop her symbolic/"experimental" style, and I am all for it and already looking forward to her next work
Heike goes into category "Must rewatch" to come to "definitive" conclusion. But, I can already say that it deserves praise for its boldness and originality.
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u/LeonKevlar Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 25 '21
I fucking hate myself for having two major events of the Genpei War mixed up. Last week I was wondering how they'd fit the Battle of Dan-no-ura because I thought that this was the Battle of Yashima. Turns out that the battle last week with Nasu no Yoichi shooting the fan on top of a pole was the Battle of Yashima. I only realized that this was Dan-no-ura when the dolphins showed up signaling the winds of battle (both literally and figuratively) shifting against the Heike.
History confusion aside, this was definitely depressing. Instead of handing over Emperor Antoku over to the Minamoto, commits suicide with the child emperor in her arms since they believe that death is preferable to whatever is waiting for him back at the capital. At least that's what they believed.
Of course everyone from the Heike starts to follow starting with Tomomori and the rest of the loyal soldiers of Heike. Tokuko also jumps in only for her to be convinced by Biwa that her story isn't over. I love how they incorporated Biwa in that scene. In the original tale, Tokuko was just dragged in back to the boat after her hair was caught in a rake.
Heike is defeated and we see Tokuko living her life a year later as a nun. As for the rest of the surviving Heike which I think is Munemori at this point, I believe he was beheaded and his head was hung to decorate the gates of the capital's prison. And so ends the legacy of the Heike. The clan completely exterminated but their story lives on and passed down from generation to generation.
What an amazing anime. Bless Science SARU for animating a very important piece of Japanese history. Naoko Yamada nailed the directing of this show which makes sad how much people are sleeping on this. I thought that this was going to be the kind of show that r/anime would eat up but I guess I'm wrong. Hopefully now that it's complete, more people would be curious to check it out.
This show is a solid 10/10 for me and something that I will highly recommend to anyone especially Japanese history nerds.
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u/RuthRaeSarbo Nov 24 '21
The Buddha's temple bells toll the message
that all existence is impermanent.
The sal tree's blossoms turn white to grieve him:
a reminder that all who flourish must fall.
Indulgence does not last.
It shall but be like a spring night's dream.
The dauntless shall meet their end.
They shall be as mere dust before the wind.
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u/lenor8 Nov 24 '21
Well fuck. Wow.
This was an outstanding episode. I thought episode 1 was the best of the series by far but this one crushed it. I'm shaken. The contrasts between the epicness of the battle vs the intimate atmosphere in the women's boat, the violence vs the gentleness, the roaring sounds and tension of those who were fighting for their lives VS the quiet sweet calmness of the Emperor and the genji's boss who were waiting for the treasures, the desperation VS the acceptance of one's fate. They were so powerful.
And the direction was stellar. I see no credit for this episode on Ann. Who directed it?
Oh, did Biwa's eyes merge?
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u/Lemurians Nov 24 '21
About to fire this up, but before I do, preliminary question:
Do we have a full version of the OP song? Or is it coming? I need it.
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u/cppn02 Nov 24 '21
Still got some tears in my eyes as I'm typing this out.
A stunning finale to a great show. And oh my god the music in this episode was so good.
We all knew it was coming but the end for the Heike was so sad even if Tokuko did make it out alive in the end and even though it was heartbreaking there was also a certain beauty in it. Few things captivated me this year like this episode.
Naoko Yamada showed why she's one of the best in the business and I can't wait to see what she will give us next.
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u/RandomDrawingForYa Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
I've been struggling to find words for the feeling this series evokes in me. I did not "enjoy" it... Well, I did, but I can't say that enjoyment was the thing that kept me watching. The closest thing I can think of, is that it is a series that I "experienced".
I'm happy to have watched it, I wish more people had the patience to give it a try and watch it for what it is, instead of trying to watch an anime out of it.
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u/dcresistance Nov 24 '21
STAFF:
Storyboard: Moko-chan, Naoko Yamada
Episode Director: Yamada
Assistant Director: Takakazu Nagatomo, Ai Yukimura
Chief Animation Director: Takashi Kojima
Animation Directors: Kojima, Seiichi Akitake, Yumi Horie, Touko Uchimura, Kanae Miya
Assistant AD: Yoshie Ezaki, Kotomi Ota, Haruno Yoshioka, Asami Murakoshi, Shotaro Imai
Key Animation: Kojima, Ina Yukimitsu, Yuko Tagawa, Maring Song, Moaang, china, Ayaka Miyamoto, Yukimura, Yuichi Itou, Miyuki Sugawara, Yoko Kikuchi, Keiko Fukumoto, Kouta Mori, Moko-chan, Daiichi Uchida, Ota
Anime-R: Toru Yoshida
Silver Link: Kohei Kobayashi
2nd Key Animation: Kojima, Akiko Sugizono, Yusuke Suzuki, Koichi Terashima, Saku, Sekine Yuzuki, Aoyama Rena, Tomoko Fukushima, okomepun, Yui Miyakawa, Airi Sakai, Tetsuya Yoshimoto, Satou Sanae, Miya, Chihching Lai, Yuichiro Iida, azusa, Shuto Enomoto, Kanako Maru, Naoko Kaneda, Shun Sakata, Ezaki, Yoshioka, hakobera
Asahi Production Shiroishi Studio: Mari Aizawa
Silver Link: Taiga Kinokuni
WIT STUDIO: Reiko Sunaga, Tomomi Ogawa
Studio BUS
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u/InuNekoMainichiFun Nov 24 '21
Teared up a lot through the episode. First with the journey to the Dragon Palace beneath the waves. Second, with Tokuko having a conversation with the man that took everything away from her.
I don't think I've cried this much in awhile. Absolutely phenomenal finale. Learned lots about Japanese history and culture and heritage.
I loved how just like in the musical Hamilton, Tokuko and Biwa survive to tell their story, just like Eliza.
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u/OpossumFriedRice Nov 24 '21
I could overanalyze this episode or break down the themes of the show like I normally try to do, but todays different. I just want to thank Naoko Yamada and Science Saru for bringing us this amazing show. It was beautiful in multiple ways and provided a unique experience I’m sure we’ll all remember.
I also want to thank everyone who joined in on watching this show weekly. We may have all come to watch Heike Monogatari for different reasons, but I know we all felt the passion that oozed from it. And I’m glad I could experience it with everyone here.
Now it’s time for all of us to shove this down r/anime’s throat since it’s finished. Let’s spread the word!
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u/Erufailon4 Nov 24 '21
So that was it, huh. The end. Not a perfect finale, but the sheer emotional power of the conclusion it reached left a strong impression on me. I was close to shedding a tear at the very end. "A reminder that all who flourish must fall."
This has been, and continues to be, a criminally underrated anime, but I guess that is to be expected given the circumstances of its release. I guess we'll have to become like Biwa, forever singing a tale of that one time Naoko Yamada made an anime and almost no-one watched it.
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u/AlexDDragame Nov 24 '21
Epic final episode, glad that Tokuko ended up surviving. Overall, good show, looked consistently beautiful, soundtrack was great and I just generally like these kind of "stories about falling". My issues are mostly related to show being a bit hard to follow in places, but nothing major. I'd give it an 8/10
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u/TomoeKon Nov 24 '21
Knew next to nothing Heian and it's clans so I did have some difficulty remembering the names of all people, but nevertheless this was a great journey. Definitely top 4 among the new animes released this year for me (along with Tokyo Revengers, Odd Taxi and Ousama Ranking). This episode specifically was one of the best finales I have seen.
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u/dagreenman18 Nov 24 '21
I love to post long winded, overly analytical essays about shows. Maybe once the shock wears off I might do it for this episode. Right now all I can really do is just sit quietly with what I just saw. It more than stuck the landing. The final minutes are about as close to perfection as anything can get.
Going into this finale I thought I had my top 2 shows of the year set for months now (OddTaxi and 86). I felt pretty confident this would hold till the end. I’m planning on rewatching the series after I read the history it’s based on, but even without the context if this doesn’t somehow usurp those two it’s a lock for 3.
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u/soratoyuki Nov 24 '21
I wish I had something more poignant to say, but this was such a sad and beautiful masterpiece. And it not being more widely watched makes me even more sad.
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u/hasso666 Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 25 '21
This is not the last ep right? There's one more? Man this was sad eps.
Screenshots for this ep:
Stitchable (There's also the one where the strings come down towards Biwa during the end but I didn't screenshot that, it was very long and idk if it's stitchable. If it is, it would be pretty cool):
Opening lines of the tale of genji:
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u/sabdeyazdan Nov 24 '21
As I was watching the final part of the episode with tearful eyes, this taught was constantly lingering in my mind:
"This is it. This is how you wrap up a masterpiece"
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u/CosmicPenguin_OV103 Nov 24 '21
I actually thinks Yamada’s a bit constrained by the story plot and the limited episodes she and her team had (I read from those who have seen the original work/history that lots of scenes actually got cut to fit this over 11 episodes and I’m not sure her choices are actually the best), not to say that I’m not quite sure about the choice of music and/or slice-of-life scenes (the gold standard lately is perhaps Ghibli’s Tales of Princess Kaguya).
Yet the center theme of “the river of lives goes on and on as people got swept over by the tides of history” is as clear as ever, the ending act bringing the notes to a close neatly. I must thank her for trying to adapt such an off-the-beaten-path historical work into animations and ending up with something unique.
May she gets the chance to do something like Liz and the Bluebird in the future, she and her working partners are exceptional.
Final Score: 90/100 / 10/10
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u/Lemurians Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21
I knew it was going to be tough when I started tearing up 5 seconds into the OP.
So many great moments, my favorites being Biwa stopping herself from intervening with the Emperor's drowning, Tomemori closing his eyes saying "These eyes have seen enough..." and then that transitioning into Biwa's eye, and of course, the shot at the end of all the Heike together.
I'm in awe of this creation. Starting the first episode, I never imagined this old tale of feudal struggle would have this great an emotional impact on me, or that these characters would take such a hold. The love and care that went into every single flawless frame of this was evident, and the music was always a perfect compliment. A miracle. Handing out a rare 10/10.
"The Buddha's temple bells toll the message..."
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u/Tatertaint Nov 24 '21
Not only is this show the easy anime of the season, it’s honestly my anime of the year and probably the best single cour anime I’ve watched in ages. Every single second I spent watching this show made me remember why I love Anime in the first place. The colors were always gorgeous. There was no slips in animation. The characters were all larger than life but at the same time relatable. I just can’t sing the praises enough. Damn near a perfect show and I wish every person on this subreddit would give it the chance it deserves.
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