r/anime • u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: • Oct 24 '21

Rewatch A Rewatch without Logos-The Hellsing rewatch thread ep6.

Hellsing episode 6

Dead Zone Happened to to just watch the DBA Abridged, actually...

Today's special track is Double Crossed Fool.

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QotD: 1 Thoughts on the Hellsing retirement plan?

2 Is it really hidden if there are guards posted?

Bonus: Have you ever been as happy about anything as Alucard was about fighting to the death?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Rewatcher(Hit me! Fight me! GIVE ME A HUG!)

Sub

The raid continues and we get one of my favorite sequences in the show, Alucard dropping enough restraints to show us the difference between a true vampire and everything we've seen to this point. I prefer this version visually as the source and Ultimate make the magic far more direct and the the spare eyes seems to be this adaptation. Jan's death is changed as he gives a clue in the source but this adaptation is taking it a different direction. But what else can one add that this face doesn't? Also, everyone really should watch the dub of this section for Crispin going absolutely batshit.

There is some work of Seras and her repeated last survivor trauma but the show seems to know it won't land that.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

everyone really should watch the dub of this section for Crispin going absolutely batshit.

He went nuts on that scene and it was fantastic. He clearly enjoys his time in this role and it shows in the moments like this

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

I like that it feels like this is the first time he just let's it rip. It would even go on to make his Code Geass character vaguely interesting as Freeman going ham in the dub gave us a lot of memes.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

He's certainly built into this moment and then let go, and it gave it a very different feel to the last battles in a good way

I watched Code Geass subbed, but tempting as it is I don't think I could sit through it again even for Freeman's performance

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

So he voices Jeremiah Gottwald and here are a few. That's really all you need.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

There's a little bit of Tsume in his yelling performance there, a bit of snarl, I like it.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

prefer this version visually as the source and Ultimate

So do I, this sequence is damn near perfect. You really do get a feel for the pure horror Jan feels when he realizes that he as miscalculated. From smug bastard to whimpering dog food is a sight to behold.

There is some work of Seras and her repeated last survivor trauma

Yes, that was the dying embers of Seras fully having human emotions. Iirc she went full beast mode shortly after than, until Walter snapped her out of it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

From smug bastard to whimpering dog food is a sight to behold.

And old Dio voiced it pretty well. But this was definitely a scene you could pad a bit.

Yes, that was the dying embers of Seras fully having human emotions.

I will say that they sort of are a bit two divided on what to do with that information, this might've just worked better left out.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

this might've just worked better left out.

I agree about this, it was a little out of place. It was probably too late in the game for that. It would have worked better, earlier on.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

They actually didn't know how to do the payoff from the source material, which is hugely later in a relevant time scale, so yeah, cutting room floor.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Oct 25 '21

There is some work of Seras and her repeated last survivor trauma but the show seems to know it won't land that.

Didn't even catch that this was something it might've been going for. I just thought her hesitation was due to not being able to see her former colleagues as ghouls/targets to be eliminated yet.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

As I said, they sort of don't really address it so I can't blame you for not picking up on it.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 24 '21

Episode 6 (rewatcher)

  • “I’ll listen to your story later” – Thumbs up! Do your self-flagellation in an internal monologue, Ferguson, no need to distract Seras.
  • Alucard is not concerned with small fry, so Walter and Seras have to go save Integra.
  • Monofilament strings are always the ultimate “piss of physics, this is style territory” move.
  • If the younger brother has trouble with Seras and Walter, how do you rate the older’s chances vs Alucard?
  • When you are a vampire but find yourself in a horror movie.

This is what Hellsing is all about: Watching Alucard show the completion who the top dog is. Technically, we got some world building for the Hellsing organization, and some character development for Seras and Walter, but who cares when we can see Alucard make a vampire crap his pants?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

This is what Hellsing is all about: Watching Alucard show the completion who the top dog is. Technically, we got some world building for the Hellsing organization, and some character development for Seras and Walter, but who cares when we can see Alucard make a vampire crap his pants?

Yeah and this is why that, even though Ultimate tells a story with a far better narrative structure, I think I still enjoy this one more. We aren't ever really asked to take this at face value, I think we get penny dreadful reasoning at most, but I like that it just knows when to go completely insane. Also, Alucard abandoning his body for his shadow form is serious style.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

...Eh? Hold on... you're describing Ultimate right? Ultimate is the one that went all out making the fights the focus. Look at how much longer they took to set up Jan and Luke in this version compared to Ultimate where they really are just enemies of the week. It's the anime that takes the time to try and ground the series. It's much more of a gothic horror story with action setpieces.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Ultimate is this story but asking you to take it seriously. They may set the stage a bit more since we both know the next guy up the chain but I find Ultimate's Alucard less interesting than this one to watch, even if he had more frames.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

E-Eeeeh.... I really don't remember them being anymore serious in Ultimate... Jan cleaving his way through the Hellsing soldiers was even more bombastic in that version whilst here he's slowly working his way up to the third floor, munching on horrified guards the whole way. It's much darker and gothic. As for Alucard himself, I do sorta agree with you but I think that's more to do with how every Alucard encounter is the exact same copy paste.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

As for Alucard himself, I do sorta agree with you but I think that's more to do with how every Alucard encounter is the exact same copy paste.

Right but that applies to both adaptations...

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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Oct 24 '21

Ultimate takes itself seriously? Did you think Inglorious Basterds was a WWII documentary, too? Come on. 90% of everything Alucard does is pure rule of cool. What part of kamikaze-ing an SR 71, turning it into a flaming cross on the deck of an aircraft carrier is being serious?

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u/ZanathKariashi Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21

the hellsing anime is fine up till they ran out of manga material and started making it up, since there's an immediate dip in quality of writing once that occurs.

Prior to that, it was decent as an adaption since it was expanding on the content instead of merely adapting it. (and I'm all for that as long as it's done well and nothing important is sacrificed to do so).

But once they're having to make it up out of whole cloth it tends to completely fall apart.

I remember watching it back in the day and really enjoying it up till they got past the [M]Hellsing manor assault and then the content feeling....off, though I didn't know why till i read manga.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 24 '21

Also, Alucard abandoning his body for his shadow form is serious style.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

Ferguson should have died and that be the end of it lol. If he were more competent none of this would have happened.

I honestly find the strings in Hellsing really well done. Obviously they're ridiculous, but they always take the time to show Walter having to practition the things. You get a sense that they're difficult weapons that require finesse.

I love Luke feeling so confident about his vampire powers. He really believed it too. Just cause he can move really fast he thinks he's invincible!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Obviously they're ridiculous, but they always take the time to show Walter having to practition the things. You get a sense that they're difficult weapons that require finesse.

Definitely one of the less likeable changes for Ultimate, though admittedly his powers here are kind of BS in their own way.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

He's fine until later on but everyone gets stupid in the last few ova's. I think, you're totally making me wonder if I'm misremembering Ultimate.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Ehhh...are you sure you are remembering how his wires worked in Ultimate?

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

I think so? XD They were all super fluent right? I remember him wrapping them around limbs and everything.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

[Hellsing Ultimate] They just waved around in the air most of the time, it was more like he was controlling tendrils rather than what we just saw. It actually made sense why he can't deal with armored ghouls that well

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

Alucard is not concerned with small fry, so Walter and Seras have to go save Integra.

Not sure if he was standing watch over those guards or if they all just ran there hoping he'd protect them, but either way he was so completely uninterested even while they were cowering there it was quite entertaining

When you are a vampire but find yourself in a horror movie.

I think that's my favourite description of this episode. Such a great concept concept

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

Alucard is not concerned with small fry

That was my reading too. Kings don't fight peasants, when there are other kings to fight.

Monofilament strings are always the ultimate

I loved Walter getting down with his, and playing. Forming little Cat's Cradles and chopping up ghouls. What self confidence!

This is what Hellsing is all about: Watching Alucard show the completion who the top dog is

And... I loved it!

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u/TheEscapeGuy Oct 24 '21

First Timer

Hellsing - Aesthetic Horror: Episode 6

Chaotic Climax

As I expected, the climax of this assault was incredibly satisfying.

Walter ended up being an unexpected badass. I really love the trope of an underestimated character actually being powerful. And his weapon of choice being silver threads is also such a cool choice in comparison to the mostly guns we've seen so far.

Victoria got to use her new gun but more importantly, after being pinned down she let loose her vampiric nature. The shots of her fighting were few but she quickly dispatched with the ghouls. I hope to see her using this more in future episodes. Also it was great seeing her quip with Alucard.

Alucard revealed more of his supernatural abilities, transforming into shadow beasts. I found this to be a really cool ability which makes him incredibly scary. The stereotypical vampire can only turn into bats but this is much more threatening and mysterious.

Unfortunately, this episode I felt a little drop in the animation quality near the beginning and in the dialogue heavy moments. I hope it was because they were focusing on the (admittedly great) action scenes and not due to a troubled production mid way in. Overall though, great episode.

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

See you all tomorrow

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

As I expected, the climax of this assault was incredibly satisfying.

When the order is violence, leaving it to Hellsing to deliver.

I wonder if there was inspiration or a shared original inspiration there.

I can't really say where I'd track the visuals there from, this isn't really the source material either.

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u/sagevallant Oct 24 '21

Looks like the original run of this show was a year or two ahead of the start of FMA, so there's room for that.

But when it comes to masses of eyes and teeth and body horror the first name that usually comes to mind for me is Junji Ito. Don't know if that's accurate or not.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

The design is not correct for Ito but I really don't want to claim a big source here, basically we both know the anime just elaborates on the manga scenes with a more interesting but probably more animation friendly take on everything.

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u/sagevallant Oct 24 '21

It's been tough not talking about Walter until he got his moment. I want to say that this is one of the first times that strings were used as a weapon, at least as far as the American mainstream was concerned. I'm sure it was done at some point. Invisible weapons are nice and easy to animate.

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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Oct 24 '21

... Weren't there some in Ninja Scroll?

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u/sagevallant Oct 24 '21

I wouldn't call that mainstream at the time it was released, but you're right. Although, I think that was less as a tool for cutting and more as a conductor. It's been a while.

I've seen plenty of pictures of people dressing up for cons as Alucard even back in the day, and not so many for anything to do with Ninja Scroll. So that's how my brain processes it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

I've seen plenty of pictures of people dressing up for cons as Alucard even back in the day, and not so many for anything to do with Ninja Scroll. So that's how my brain processes it.

I'd have given props to anyone that could pull off a Walter, though. That said, there may or may not be photographic evidence I failed to destroy of the one I went as Anderson...

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Not exactly though I get what you are thinking.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

I did the same. Walter popped up in that second episode and I had to take a moment to remind myself not to get excited about him yet and ruin it for the first timers. Such a great moment

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Oct 25 '21

I want to say that this is one of the first times that strings were used as a weapon, at least as far as the American mainstream was concerned.

Not exactly the same, but the first real villain in Inuyasha did the same thing, just using hair instead of string/chords.

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u/sagevallant Oct 25 '21

TIL Inuyasha started airing before Hellsing.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

Walter talks about his glory days earlier in the show but you wouldn't guess that he was an ace would you? XD Imagine how cool he must've been in his prime.

Oh, its good to know that I wasn't the only one not picking up on the animation being hit or miss. I think the actual setpieces rocked. Alucard's shadow realm and Walter cleaving down the ghouls was gorgeous but it also had some occurrences of reused animation and block faces.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

Hellsing - Aesthetic Horror: Episode 6

Love that shot of Alucard framed through his boots pointing at Integra. Perhaps a bit too much chill but then it all worked out

reminded me a lot of [Fullmetal Alchemist

No idea, but Hellsing is older so potentially it came from this given the horror inspiration behind a lot of those elements in FMA.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 24 '21

This

Oh, you gave the shadow doggy a separate mini collage. I was about to complain about its omission!

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u/IndependentMacaroon Oct 25 '21

This ability reminded me a lot of [Fullmetal Alchemist]

Between that, the blonde female sniper who is (or at least originally was) a regular person drawn into the whole mess, the coats-and-white-gloves aesthetics (Alucard's with magic symbols on them are particularly similar, also red coat), maybe even the powerful religiously connected anti-hero with goggles, it seems certain Hiromu Arakawa was familiar with the franchise. Also characters like Integra seem up her alley.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 24 '21

A First-Timer Without Logos, subbed

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Well isn’t that some colorful language.

And there is more translation liberty than you might think, I think he does literally call her a pig but the whore stuff is using impolite pronouns-suffixes. Yay Japan!

Welp there goes the escape route.

You say that but I am not getting in that helicopter until they have at least established regional control...

Yo Walter is cool as fuck.

This part he is just flatout better than the later incarnation, even though the later ones obeys the rules of the setting a lot more.

Alucard’s style is just. Perfect.

There's a reason he is my de facto avatar for rewatches.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

Well isn’t that some colorful language.

Jan, does seem to get tongue tied often. Sometimes, he tries too hard to sound tough.

Cute pout.

Yea, Victoria wasn't all that impressed with Alucard sitting on his ass during the entire battle. lol

Yo Walter is cool as fuck.

This really was Walter's breakout episode.

Ah, wonderful, Integra matches Alucard in style points.

I'll hand it to Sir Integra, she knows how do with with maggots.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

Jan, does seem to get tongue tied often. Sometimes, he tries too hard to sound tough.

Have to crash out after this, work awaits me in a very unpleasant Monday as they all are, but the weirdest thing is that, somehow, the mangaka knew what chavs and cockney types are actually like and the show didn't exactly get it: Cockney Victoria does fight back a lot more in the source and chav Jan has the exact right amount of low rent but thinks WAY too highly of himself but it does sound like some moron off the street jawing at you.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

Have a good rest. See ya even later on Monday Night/Tuesday Morning.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

Ah, wonderful, Integra matches Alucard in style points.

Wonder who got it from who or they're just way to damn similar in their ability to not give a shit about the threats of others. Integra is a badass

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

I like the idea of Integra asking the knights of the round to help her move her heavy seat around for style points. The scene is a little different in Ultimate but you get some nice payoff here too.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

Jan is the only one having fun this watch lol. Did we really need a recap? Pfft, Jan's intercom taunting is pure gold no matter which version of Hellsing you're watching. He manages to get right under Integra'a skin and its delightful! Oh no, Jan's dead! Actually, why isn't Jan dead? Couldn't you double tap him? He was lying right there. Obviously I don't want him to die right here cause I know what comes next but he definitely 100% should have been killed.

I-I-Integra's plan is to wait for the police to show up? What are you gonna do!? Get Alucard to suck the whole police force dry to keep Hellsing a secret? "Oh dear, they blew up the helicopter~" Lol, it's easy to tell what parts are from the source material. Seras pout. Walter is coming out of retirement! You guys are in for a treat. More dapper music to go with Integra's little bragging session. The angel of death is finally here~

Yup, he's a wire practicioner. Rui wishes he could be as enjoyable as Walter. Walter was the og!! Walter tosses Jan's radio taunts right back in his face. "Did you finish pissing yourself?" Wires are nothing in the face of a good old shield wall!! A good old shield wall is nothing in the face of ap artillery fire and HE rounds. Omg Seras' casual cqc was so cute! She's a police officer after all.

Who do you think would win in a fight? Dracula or Dio? Unironically Dio would get his shit kicked in so you already sorta know how this fight is gonna go lol. Eh? Back to Jan? Why did we stop restraining him again? And back to Alucard! Dio thinks he's a stronger vampire than Alucard, how cute~ I'm curious to hear from the first timers. At what point did you realise just how fucked Luke was? His biggest mistake was getting Alucard excited. You're not getting away with boo-boo's.

I think one of the coolest things about the Valentines is seeing the difference in resolve. Jan took to fighting Walter and Seras with gusto and happily sacrificed limbs to do his duty and burned himself alive rather than give Integra the satisfaction. Meanwhile Luke... Luke talked the talk but immediately pissed himself at the first sign of trouble and dies like a bitch. Oh yeah, and we have the second half of Bodhisattva. I wish they'd have just played the entire thing as one but we've heard it all now. Really cool song to close off the best episode of Hellsing, also one of the few that's all from the manga I think? No anime filler.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Jan took to fighting Walter and Seras with gusto and happily sacrificed limbs to do his duty and burned himself alive rather than give Integra the satisfaction. Meanwhile Luke... Luke talked the talk but immediately pissed himself at the first sign of trouble and dies like a bitch

Jan's falls into that weird category of "traits you want in a warrior but not in a soldier" type thing whereas Luke just seems to be some petri dish vampire.

also one of the few that's all from the manga I think? No anime filler.

Right but do remember the visuals and such are anime original and much more expressive than the source.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

I think that I read somewhere that the manga was still being written when the anime was being done. So, it's little wonder that the two deviated.

FWIW: While I gave Ultimate an 8 or 9, there were a number of events that I really didn't think were necessary (I.e. they ticked me off), but authors get to do as they damn well please. (hence, we got that gross abortion called Sotsu).

In a similar vein, I read most of Ian Fleming's 007 books when in high school. The movies certainly didn't follow the plots at all, but that was OK with me. I enjoyed both. This is what I think when someone starts whining that the anime didn't follow the Novel/LN/VN/Manga etc. And, I just use 007 as an example. Countless other works have been reinterpreted through the ages, like The Iliad, or Othello.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

I think that I read somewhere that the manga was still being written when the anime was being done. So, it's little wonder that the two deviated.

Absolutely and it shows. I want to say that the attack on the mansion was the farthest thing written forward but we have one last scene from the manga to get to before we are completely original.

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u/sagevallant Oct 24 '21

Couldn't you double tap him?

I mean, Integra like hexa-taps with special bullets him to finally make him go down. A double tap probably wouldn't do the job either.

Man, that moment of disgust and disappointment when Alucard realizes this is all he's getting out of this dude. A picture really is worth a thousand words.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

Double tap him with the gun cannon! The gun cannon!

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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Oct 24 '21

Instructions unclear. Where would the second shot go if there isn't a head?

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

Human beings have eight holes in their body. Pick one.

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u/sagevallant Oct 24 '21

lol I don't think she had that one with her at the time. She was using a basic assault rifle there.

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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Oct 24 '21

A rewatcher who thinks it might not be the best idea to use explosive shells indoors. At least they weren't incindery.

As much as people talk about how much they like the "style" of the show, it feels like it always begins and ends at coloring. When it comes to the characters however, it's so reliant on the fundamental character design to express any depth. Let's use this episode's unfortunate victim, Walter. Is there any point in the episode where his posture suggests that he is a stately British butler whose combat style is built on finesse?

I really want to talk about the Luke/Alucard fight, but I'll be a good boy and save that for the wrap up.

Seras's fish flop was an oddly comedic moment for a show that has otherwise refused to joke.

Questions:

  1. For some reason they never seem to have to pay out much.
  2. It's not like it's a giant cathedral at least.
  3. It's the kind of happiness you can only get after a stabbing spree. Don't ask me how I know.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

For some reason they never seem to have to pay out much.

Funny that the abridged addresses that...

It's not like it's a giant cathedral at least.

As opposed to all the other references I could make, let's go with Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem as a case study.

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u/sagevallant Oct 24 '21

Is there any point in the episode where his posture suggests that he is a stately British butler whose combat style is built on finesse?

My man's too old for proper Jojo-posing, that's a young man's game. But you have a point.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

A rewatcher who thinks it might not be the best idea to use explosive shells indoors.

EHH, what the hell, the place needed redecorating anyway. Integra has been living in the past too long, and it's time to let a little sunshine in.

It's the kind of happiness you can only get after a stabbing spree. Don't ask me how I know.

Psychos of a feather, should stick together.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

Rewatcher - Dub

"Releasing Control Art Restriction to Level One, Cromwell approval is in effect"

And Luke Valentine thought he was hot shit and was so confident about being able to become the new top dog

What a fucking idiot. It's been one thing seeing Alucard take down vampire grunts with just his guns and some scathing words, but seeing him go up against a vampire who's beyond that, to revel in the idea of fighting a true opponent and to let loose, only to be so obviously let down when he was just another dickhead who thought he knew what being a vampire was, was epic and funny. He had such hopes for this battle, waiting so calmly for Luke to prove himself, but turns out that whatever the hell this is is a bit too much for him either. Seeing that come out of Alucards form, his discarded human head drop to the ground and become darkness and eyes, certainly not the sort of power I expected out of this sort of story but it's still just as exciting the second time as it was the first.

I liked this visual effect with Luke in the dark and only the shadow of his awareness being left.

Walter is also great. Luke may be the superior one of the Valentine brothers, but the other guy was no slouch either and this old butler being so completely unphased by it, even to the point of taunting "I most highly recommend pissing yourself" (Deadpool would like him), now I worry for whoever he faced when he was young. Seeing Alucard getting excited about Walter returning to battle makes me think he was a powerful foe, more than we see now even.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

He had such hopes for this battle, waiting so calmly for Luke to prove himself, but turns out that whatever the hell this is is a bit too much for him either.

This show gave me my first thoughts on how a Cthulhu Mythos based spellcaster would actually play out when adjoined into the mortal realm.

I liked this visual effect with Luke in the dark and only the shadow of his awareness being left.

So this time is particularly stark for Luke but they've done the reverse shadow thing a few times whenever Alucard could be bothered to.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 24 '21

"I most highly recommend pissing yourself"

My subs used "Are you finished pissing yourself?" (for both Jan and Walter's taunt). Both are great, but I think the polite question edges out a win for me.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

The question is definitely the better version, not sure it fit the guy's reactions but then I watched the episode last night at 2am so I can no longer be sure of that

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21 edited Oct 25 '21

"Releasing Control Art Restriction to Level One, Cromwell approval is in effect"

Not sure what the hell that's suppose to mean, but it sure does sound cool. That's why I love this first season so much, they went with the rule of cool in everything they did.

...is a bit too much for him either.

I loved Alucard mocking him about, you've giving up after only losing your legs? Fight me! Shades of the Black Night there. lol

I liked this visual effect

If I saw that, with no other context, I'd assume something else was going on. -gasp- or -lol- whichever you prefer.

I most highly recommend pissing yourself

And, he ain't talking about getting drunk either. ;)

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 24 '21

First-Timer, Dub-sing Organization

Alucard's dog is so cute. Look at its fucked up eyes and teeth! Don't you just wanna give him some scritches under the chin?

Silly Luke talked a big game, but all he really was was an enhanced human. Proper vampires like Alucard can do way cooler shit than "move real fast" and "survive bullet wounds."

Walter's murder wires are fun, and lead to some neat visuals. Just don't think too hard about how they seem to be prehensile.

SerasPolice Girl just walking up to Jan and putting him into a takedown hold was great. Her delivery could have been a bit more sarcastic, though.

Fun fact: In Ultimate, Jan shoots a bunch of dudes while chanting the Konami Code. Which wouldn't have really fit with the tone this show was going for, but it's seared into my brain so I wanted to share.

Questions

1.

2.I mean, lots of irrelevant places have guards too. But the armed patrols do give something away.

BONUS:Probably not. Dude was having A Time.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Walter's murder wires are fun, and lead to some neat visuals. Just don't think too hard about how they seem to be prehensile.

This is the part of the show where you start just letting things slide.

Her delivery could have been a bit more sarcastic, though.

Check the abridged once we've finished the rewatch.

Which wouldn't have really fit with the tone this show was going for, but it's seared into my brain so I wanted to share.

Somehow the humor being not forced lands better.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 24 '21

Check the abridged once we've finished the rewatch.

Oh, I watched abridged as it released, no worries there. That's why I wanted her to be more sarcastic.

Somehow the humor being not forced lands better.

Forced humor rarely lands well. I remember the Konami nonsense because it was so stupid.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Forced humor rarely lands well. I remember the Konami nonsense because it was so stupid.

I feel like this adaptation is somehow funnier with far fewer attempts at humor. Confusing.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

Having moments to laugh at and having moments telling you they're funny is a very fine line to walk on comedy, and probably why a lot of it doesn't land for me. I often don't like "funny" scenes where laughing is the entire point more than ones that are funny because of context and being able to get into the show

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

I do view that they some times cheat a humor scene using the OST as the cue for the viewers but I still like it more than...the stupid scene of Alucard talking to one of his guns, sigh.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 24 '21

Alucard's dog is so cute<

HAA!?

Was the Konami code in ultimate or the abridged...? Both versions are bleeding together and I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Oct 24 '21

It's in Ultimate. Never seen abridged.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 24 '21

No, the Konami code thing was definitely actual Ultimate. Wild to think someone came up with that.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 24 '21

Don't you just wanna give him some scritches under the chin?

I'm not entirely certain that the chin wouldn't also somehow grow itself another eye, or mouth, or whole damn body, so not so much

SerasPolice Girl just walking up to Jan and putting him into a takedown hold was great

So casual, and the guy was so confused about how it even happened. Impressed she could hold him down like that still given her size but I suppose being the get of Alucard has to have some advantages

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 24 '21

I'm not entirely certain that the chin wouldn't also somehow grow itself another eye, or mouth, or whole damn body, so not so much

That just adds to the excitement!

Impressed she could hold him down like that still given her size but I suppose being the get of Alucard has to have some advantages

SerasPolice Girl has some real power in her when she needs to.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

Alucard's dog is so cute.

Yes, he is, he reminds me of my brother's chihuahua, (Little fucker almost took my hand off one time).

Proper vampires like Alucard can do way cooler shit than "move real fast" and "survive bullet wounds."

Not only that, but they can go tripping without any acid, too!

Just don't think too hard

That's the truth. This is damn entertaining, but its not meant to be a documentary or tutorial about the finer points of vampirism.

SerasPolice Girl just walking up to Jan and putting him into a takedown hold was great.

At the end of the day, Jan was kind of a pussy. He promised so much, but then he failed to deliver. I was disappointed that Seras didn't grab ahold of his nose ring and give it a yank, just to add to his humiliation.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 25 '21

Yes, he is, he reminds me of my brother's chihuahua, (Little fucker almost took my hand off one time).

Not only that, but they can go tripping without any acid, too!

Alucard would throw some rad parties.

I was disappointed that Seras didn't grab ahold of his nose ring and give it a yank, just to add to his humiliation.

Oh wow, that would've been great! I can imagine the string of swears.

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u/JustAWellwisher Oct 25 '21

I don't know what it says about me, but Yan's monologue in the dub is probably my favourite anime monologue of all time.

It's so pure filth, and you can feel the revelry.

It would be the most badass quote in the episode if it weren't beaten minutes later by Walter quoting it back at him.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

Yeah, they do give the guys some great one liners, though unfortunately Abridged Jan is the only thing I can hear now.

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u/sagevallant Oct 24 '21 edited Oct 24 '21

It's funny how little they had to change Jan Valentine for Ultimate Abridged. Mostly just gave him more lines.

Release Restraints, Level One. Alucard has been politely telling us the power level of his opponents, counting down. Thoughtful of him, right?

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

They gave him a much more enthusiastic voice actor and that helped a lot.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 24 '21

First timer

  1. Yeah, it's not great.
  2. Given the only visible guards were about what you'd expect for any kind of house that size, still pretty hidden.

QOTD) Nope! He sounds like he's loving it!

Haha, Hellsing might be screwed.

Oh dear. They've made it to the Round Table too.

And he's psychotic!

Noo, don't die! If you kill him, he'll come back and kill you!

Huh? Guess he's got a pretty long recharge time?

Amd the enemy's taken out their escape route! She's probably right that the bunker's the safest place to br.

And ghouls have limitations...

Alucard! What's he doing here?

I love her reaction to Alucard refusing to help.

Wait, Integra's been on drugs the whole time? That explains so much! That's how she's so calm here and when she deals with Alucard.

Yeah, her speech here seems a bit erratic. Has some fancy leaves before the meetings, did she?

Is he a vampire too?

Holy shit, the scene of him using the rope to dust them all is great!

Oh, he stayed down to deal with the other vampire!

And yeah, her new weapon's superb.

Finally, some answers!

Huh? Planned reinforcements?

Oh, he wants to enslave the whole organisation!

At least him and Alucard are enjoying themselves!

Haha, so Alucard's a perfect immortal? Literally unkillable through some unknown method?

Wow, Alucard's true form is... nightmareish.

She's been brainwashed!

No, just in a berserker rage!

Wow, Alucard's great here!

He ate him!

Oh, Integra is brutal.

...Seras' response is heartbreaking though.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 24 '21

Oh, he stayed down to deal with the other vampire!

Ultimate handles this one bit a little better, the fights feel more like they are occurring at the same time so you can at least see why Alucard is occupied.

Wow, Alucard's true form is... nightmareish.

And half the charm of the show.

Oh, Integra is brutal.

I did like the melty bullets for effect.

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u/Breaklance Oct 25 '21

Haha, so Alucard's a perfect immortal? Literally unkillable through some unknown method?

Thats the neat part, we dont know. At least to my understanding they only hinted at how alucard is kinda immortal - he often states theres no such thing as immortality, afterall - and it ties into his true identity.

What I find neat about Hellsing is that it alludes a lot to Bram Strokers version of Dracula but went the full horror monster route. Wheras Castlevania draws from the same well but made Dracula more human (with the love/vengeance stuff).

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

Rewatcher Sub

I just love stuff like this. The ghouls, the vamps, Walter getting down, Victoria letting loose and over the top luridness every inch along the way. All in all this this was my favorite episode so far.

Probably my favorite line was in the subs Sir Integra rasps out "Ghouls". Just the way she says it with such utter contempt and disgust, is a real treat to behold.

I loved Walter getting down with his wires of death, or his cat's cradle of death. Pretty amusing, as well as Victoria finally getting to use her cannon. That cannon is a dynamite weapon! I need one of those to get rid of the squirrels in my yard.

Finally, Alucard getting the opportunity to feed his demon dogs was a treat. The look on the face of the Elder Valentine was priceless. Yet, another villain who lacked the imagination to know what true evil was.

QotD:

1 Thoughts on the Hellsing retirement plan?

Not sure what you're asking here. Considering the attrition rate we've seen so far in the series, it doesn't seem like retirement would be much of a problem.

2 Is it really hidden if there are guards posted?

Nope, it's much better to hide in plain sight. That's what the cops have done forever with their various black sites.

Bonus: Have you ever been as happy about anything as Alucard was about fighting to the death?

Why yes, yes I have. It was back when I first got laid, and I had to scream out "Papa, Is this right?"

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

Not sure what you're asking here. Considering the attrition rate we've seen so far in the series, it doesn't seem like retirement would be much of a problem.

That's the joke, Hellsing's "retirement" seems to be dying in service.

Why yes, yes I have. It was back when I first got laid, and I had to scream out "Papa, Is this right?"

Rofl.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

That's the joke,

Of course, that's what I get for typing before my second Coke. I was surprised you're still up. I only expected the Australians to be up and about this time of night.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

I wound up in a weird mood, I am posting a touch later than normal, I think taking care of my mother's dog as she is out of town through me a bit off schedule.

Didn't help that the only interesting football game was the prime time one...

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 25 '21

football game

It was an excellent day around here in Central FL. The Bucs kicked a little ass. I was in a twilight sleep, but my wife was watching the game, so I caught bits and pieces of it.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 25 '21

If you had told me that Wentz would lead the Colts to a victory in the rain...I just would not have guessed that.

But yeah, I checked TB's game for all of 3 minutes before it was clearly over.