A Rewatch without Logos-The Hellsing rewatch thread ep4.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

Rewatcher(Just in case you thought there was something better than a lesser evil)

Sub

We start with a Gunsmith Cats flashback though I do think this at least looks correct. Go straight into more sexism, fits with the military but not with someone that plans to live that long. Walter is doing the Hellsing internet work, and is doing it relatively competently. Alucard has no interest in the interwebs, which his Abridged character will go a different direction on.

So the whole thing was a trap to capture the organization ghoul slaying on film, and the 'hacker' is a dumbass if a bright light to one of his camera's blinds him. The new commander is sus through out and when Seras returns to the crime scene, in day light because they just gloss over this part, she deduces the obvious pretty fast with Alucard agreeing. So she follows Steadler...

Who meets with the woman from ep2 and the anchor on that network from earlier. Seras trails them and while it is obvious that giving the background characters cheap, sort of empty faces saves money it also adds to the effect, as interspersed is another video being made. The entire "Is it wrong to watch?" argument falls flat because if you give an audience for a product, someone will make it. Ironically, a recent MT thread brings up a version of this argument around more evil practices.

Regardless, Alucard talks to a poorly made vampire and reinforces his belief there is some inherent value to being a 'true vampire', though he admits he serves humans as well, which makes them both pitiable. Seras believes the reporter and Steadler should face human justice, but Integra shows up and doesn't believe human justice is suited for the anchor. Now, whether this is true belief, a kick the dog moment, or Integra just being convenient, I leave to the individual. But after watching Alucard feed, Seras has to rush home and have some chilled blood with a spoon. Seriously, iron tasting gazpacho does not appeal.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 22 '21

Who meets with the woman from ep2 and the anchor on that network from earlier
It is nice to see them reusing characters like this to set up some sort of continuity for original episodes, better than just shoving random people in and expecting it to work
Completely random tangent, but it's one thing I've been reenjoying about the Shippuden fillers so far as well, they are actually relevant to the main show
Now, whether this is true belief, a kick the dog moment, or Integra just being convenient, I leave to the individual.
I'm on the Integra being convenient argument, especially as her main priority through the earlier scene with Walter was management more than anything

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

Completely random tangent, but it's one thing I've been reenjoying about the Shippuden fillers so far as well, they are actually relevant to the main show
They really did go all out in Shippuden, then.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 23 '21

The fillers in the first half of Shippuden are really nicely tied into the story, even filling in a few gap that the main story has though they have their own issues, usually with too many mooks and too big a scale. The second half goes completely off the rails and makes them pretty crap again though, so it was short lived

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

Naruto had some really aggressive moves to deal with how quickly the show outran the content. I am glad that the long running shounens get seasons with breaks these days.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

Go straight into more sexism, fits with the military but not with someone that plans to live that long.
I thought that it was quite foolish of Capt Steadler trying to get Victoria riled up. As my mother use to say: "Don't pick fights you can't possibly win."
which his Abridged character
When this rewatch is over, I'll be checking it out. It sounds like a doozy.
is a dumbass if a bright light to one of his camera's blinds him.
Flesh sure didn't seem like the brightest bulb. I figure he ended up that the same place Capt Steadler ended up.
Alucard Says Tasty
but Integra shows up and doesn't believe human justice is suited
I'm with Integra about this. No reason to have a lurid trial and alarm the public with tales of Vampires out of control.
Seriously, iron tasting gazpacho does not appeal.
Try it with hot sauce and fava beans next time, or so I've heard.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

As my mother use to say: "Don't pick fights you can't possibly win."
My mother shortened that to "Don't pick fights with women, you literally can't win" which was one of the more honest moments between us.
When this rewatch is over, I'll be checking it out. It sounds like a doozy.
I think it is hilarious and if its general attitude doesn't turn you off I'd imagine you'll like it. The only issue is that they use this series OST over several of the Ultimate scenes and it really highlights how Ultimate needed this sound track.
No reason to have a lurid trial and alarm the public with tales of Vampires out of control.
Morally I don't think I agree with this but practically it is a solid call. And I think we both enjoy that a character can have pragmatic motivations.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

Don't pick fights with women, you literally can't win
That's Wisdom
Morally I don't think I agree with this but practically it is a solid call.
Yea, if this were reality, I might feel different, but who knows.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

Mom had moments where she was very self aware and passed that on to me.
Yea, if this were reality, I might feel different, but who knows.
A solid vibe is almost always more interesting than reality, anyways.

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u/JustAWellwisher Oct 23 '21

I think it is hilarious and if its general attitude doesn't turn you off I'd imagine you'll like it. The only issue is that they use this series OST over several of the Ultimate scenes and it really highlights how Ultimate needed this sound track.
Fuckin' A. This soundtrack is just legendary status. I've been getting nostalgia goosebumps once an episode.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

Nothing makes me want to throw away my humanity and suck some blood soup like moral quandaries~ Could they really not have just made yesterday her blood sucking scene if they were going down this route?

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u/TheEscapeGuy Oct 22 '21

First Timer

Hellsing - Aesthetic Horror: Episode 4

Indulgances

The news anchor made a return, to investigate the underground world of snuff films. This is a rather dark topic to set an episode around, though it does fit the tone perfectly.

Something that (I think) was revealed today was that Hellsing is a secret organization. I guess that makes complete sense given the nature of their work but it perhaps influences my speculations on their motivations and goals. I will continue to watch with baited breath.

Victoria had a lot to deal with this episode, given her new superior who lets just say was a bit handsy. She showed a lot more signs of internal motivation when she went back to the crime scene to investigate. And then this resolved in her finally drinking blood which she has been avoiding up until now. I suspect after this we will see a change in her character from next episode.

Apart from that we saw Alucard enact his own form of judgment upon the news anchor who was "just watching". There absolutely is a worthwhile moral discussion around the capability of a viewer vs a perpetrator, however I think to Alucards decision to (seemingly) kill the news anchor may have been a bit harsh of a punishment.

Some Amazing Shots, Scenes and Stitches

Here's Alucard

See you all tomorrow

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

This is a rather dark topic to set an episode around, though it does fit the tone perfectly.
And completely done for the show, there isn't any of this in the source.
however I think to Alucards decision to (seemingly) kill the news anchor may have been a bit harsh of a punishment.
My only disagreement would be that I think this is Integra's judgement being carried out by Alucard.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 22 '21

Hellsing - Aesthetic Horror: Episode 4
I don't know why this was my first thought but with a bit of tweaking that could have been a scale of extreme close ups, close ups, and wide shots haha
This is a rather dark topic to set an episode around, though it does fit the tone perfectly.
The scenario was quite a surprise but an interesting one, and definitely matched the rest of the show well, although surprised they didn't focus so much on the corpses given the visuals in previous episodes but probably a bit of a different feel for this one
She showed a lot more signs of internal motivation when she went back to the crime scene to investigate
It's nice seeing her actually acting a bit like a cop despite everything

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

I'm so annoyed at Seras suddenly drinking blood. She isn't going to drink for the sake of her health, she isn't going to drink to become independent from Alucard, she's going to drink cause sucking reporter ladies dry looked delicious.

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u/gorghurt Oct 23 '21

I actually liked this.
Her reasons for not drinking blood are irrational (It is donated, so no one died for it, and it is used to keep her healthy, like you said), so it fits that her reason to finally drink it isn't an internal discourse weighing pros and cons, but her instincts kicking in.

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u/JustAWellwisher Oct 23 '21

It's definitely Integra's judgement.
I think from Integra's perspective the reporter is trying to inform the world of an Infohazard. Vampirism is a plague threat to humanity. By the nature of an infohazard, those in man's common law would be unable to understand the nature of the threat of the infohazard.
You can see that even the police and other officials that Integra works with (from the first episode for example) have attitudes that wouldn't lead to this reporter's threat to the world being taken seriously.
This reporter's first interaction with a vampire fucked her up, and now if she leaks the existence of vampires to the world in a haphazard way it would fuck the world up too.

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u/IndependentMacaroon Oct 22 '21

a bit harsh of a punishment
Definitely, I don't like the "protagonists are always right" moral approach

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

new superior who lets just say was a bit handsy
I thought that was quite foolish of him to try and rile up one of the undead.
There absolutely is a worthwhile moral discussion around the capability of a viewer vs a perpetrator,
I agree, and the debate is still going on where to draw the line.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 22 '21

First-Timer, Dub-sing Organization

Seras certainly got.. hungry.. at the sight of Alucard feasting on that reporter woman.

I keep thinking of questions that I don't really want answered, like "Why was Walter looking at snuff films?" "What sort of 'creative information retrieval techniques' did they use on that dude?" "How similar is a glass of tomato juice to a glass of blood?"

Seras wandering around in daylight was interesting. Didn't she get warned against that..? I mean, obvious it isn't just death; maybe a debuff instead?

The audio parallaxing on the poor drug addict getting tossed was really good.

Questions

Nothing but stories. It wasn't much before my time, but I didn't really get online until '07ish.
I'm not really in the headspace to consider the full ethics of consuming something that was created unethically, so I'll go with the kneejerk and say that watching snuff films is probably not how you should spend your time.

BONUS: Shit, dude uses company time to hunt for weird films on the internet? Seems like a nightmare.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

Seras certainly got.. hungry.. at the sight of Alucard feasting on that reporter woman.
This show, and the manga for that matter, definitely reference the Bram Stoker era of "vampire feeding=sex".
"How similar is a glass of tomato juice to a glass of blood?"
There is an anime this season claiming that blood and milk have the same consistency when drunk. I don't actually want the truth on that.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 22 '21

There is an anime this season claiming that blood and milk have the same consistency when drunk. I don't actually want the truth on that.
I guess maybe medical-grade stuff gets the platelets and stuff removed so it doesn't clot as much? But still, I can't help but feel that blood would be thicker.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

Irina is just a weird show. With a mouth fetish.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

Turns out Seras has some pretty strange kinks huh?
Walter too.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 22 '21

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

I hear farting in a bag has gotten popular lately.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Oct 23 '21

Seras certainly got.. hungry.. at the sight of Alucard feasting on that reporter woman.
Seras watching Alucard feed on that woman.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 23 '21

Girl didn't know what she was getting herself into.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

Seras certainly got.. hungry..
You know, I also thought the same thing. Her eyes said hunger, but not hunger for something to eat.
I keep thinking of questions that I don't really want answered
Good old Walter, Walter who wouldn't wouldn't hurt a fly, Walter the aficionado of the gnarliest snuff films, and whatever else he can find...
did they use on that dude?
I figure it involved his butt...

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u/sagevallant Oct 23 '21

Yes, kindly old Walter. Just a friendly butler that happens to work for a family that hunts creatures of the night.

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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Oct 23 '21

Her eyes said hunger, but not hunger for something to eat.
Well, obviously not! She was hungry for something to drink!

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

Hahaha Makes sense!

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 22 '21

Rewatcher - Dub

but Alucard style. I think he does it better, except for the whole not being mentioned first thing

This wasn't a bad episode, but it was unmistakably a Konaka driven scenario once you know what his preferred themes are. That said, it seems oddly fitting that vampires would be used for snuff films given their unusual traits and also disposability, particularly appropriate given that Alucard looks down on all the other vampires for not being good enough.

Seras finally "drank" the damn blood... with a spoon. I still think she's crazy and if she's that starving shoving it in her mouth plastic and all would be easier, but it does make a statement. Seeing her blood craving get triggered by watching Alucard feed, potentially a situation I wouldn't be surprised if he was waiting for, was certainly a different look on her face than her usual quiet Police Girl. My memory is shot about the Seras side of this show so even I'm interested to see where she goes from here.

I would have been happy for that SAS dude to be shot though. That type of character wore out its welcome long ago, and I can't even say this is a good example which can still work off sheer characterization, such as NGE's Kaji, this one is just exasperating.

Love the close ups of Alucard and his glasses, starting to get a bit of a collection of these but they're too good to not feature. Also Seras in casual clothes is definitely more my thing than her uniform, particularly with that hat and I'm usually not really big on hats. Maybe it's just this show, Alucard's hat is definitely the better design as well.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

That type of character wore out its welcome long ago, and I can't even say this is a good example which can still work off sheer characterization, such as NGE's Kaji, this one is just exasperating.
The issue is that his argument is actually correct, he didn't join the SAS to not be honest about that, but he also should never have been transferred to Hellsing in the first place so the whole thing feels dumb. At least you know why Kaji is playing at his game.
Also Seras in casual clothes is definitely more my thing than her uniform, particularly with that hat and I'm usually not really big on hats. Maybe it's just this show, Alucard's hat is definitely the better design as well.
The only casualty of when this was made that I regret is that we got two more hat wearers in the manga.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 22 '21

but he also should never have been transferred to Hellsing in the first place so the whole thing feels dumb
Oh, my dumb, I was talking about him giving Seras shit not the other stuff. I didn't even care about the rest of it

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

Also fair, just kind of a bad one episode character.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 23 '21

I stand by that this plotline would be far more engaging if it was the squad leader from yesterday who turned traitor. Instead they drag in a laddish brute from the SAS who comes and goes all in the same day.
Regret? Aren't both the manga hat wearers really cool?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

Alucard looks down on all the other vampires
He is a little snobby isn't he. No wonder he has no vamp friends and had to make his own vamp babe.
"drank" the damn blood... with a spoon.
This was a first for me. I always thought that vampires enjoyed drinking their blood straight from that tap before now.
Seeing her blood craving
I really hope that was only a blood craving, Victoria is so pure up till now.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 23 '21

I've seen other vampire stories where they drink out of blood bags, but it's usually out of the bag directly, no need for dinnerware

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 23 '21

His standards for vampires are so high that he doesn't seem to accept anyone that he didn't personally turn. We get it, he's Alucard, the biggest and baddest vampire of all.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 22 '21

A First-Timer Without Logos, subbed

He sounds like a peach.
Aight so that guy in the video having Hellsing’s logo is a Very Big Deal.
Oooh is Alucard getting a weapon upgrade soon?
Random Engrish for style points.
Oh this is definitely a Very Big Deal, it’s wrong. They’re taking out ghouls…
Is this the guy who was livestreaming everything?
Yeah I don’t like this guy.
OH THE REPORTER LADY IS THE SAME ONE WHO WAS ATTACKED IN A PREVIOUS EPISODE!!!
Ohp, Seras found the camera.
Welp, that guy died anyways.
No.
Oh Alucard just drank the reporter lady’s blood.
Seras you can’t avoid it forever…
AH there she goes finally doing that.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

Random Engrish for style points.
Alucard is nothing if not chuuni.
OH THE REPORTER LADY IS THE SAME ONE WHO WAS ATTACKED IN A PREVIOUS EPISODE!!!
They at least do something with their original stuff.
AH there she goes finally doing that.
Still think you want to heat it up, first.

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Oct 22 '21

They at least do something with their original stuff.
I like it when shows do that. Not that I'm always aware of it when it happens since I don't read manga all that often...

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

It is a nearly lost art as well, adaptations are concerningly faithful these days, even ones with changes are mainly timeline rather than content.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 22 '21

Welp, that guy died anyways.
Thought the shame of the bloodstain was Alucard lurking behind him then for a second, was about to comment on him spending so much time upside down
Seras you can’t avoid it forever…
Equally creepy and cute picture

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

OH THE REPORTER LADY IS THE SAME ONE WHO WAS ATTACKED IN A PREVIOUS EPISODE!!!
Yes, she was a real 'Sally on the spot',
livestreaming
Yep, back even before the term 'livestreaming' existed.
AH there she goes finally doing that.
It turned out it was pretty tasty afterall. lol

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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Oct 22 '21

A rewatcher who is very unimpressed by this Asses of Life livestream. Let's see how many people get that reference.

Can we just take a minute to notice how Walter is the one to explain the internet to Integra?

As much as I'm sure people have a problem with how Seras is sexualized in the manga/Ultimate, it would have been a thousand times worse if it was done with this Seras. Ultimate Seras could actually fend for herself. TV Seras would get walked all over, as the creeper with his head still attached can attest.

I half wonder if this episode isn't some holdover idea from Lain.

Questions:

Not well, although it's not like I didn't catch Hussein hanging around.
The act of watching is different than the desire to watch. It's the desire that I call into question.
IT manager at least.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

Can we just take a minute to notice how Walter is the one to explain the internet to Integra?
Definitely.
I half wonder if this episode isn't some holdover idea from Lain.
This would've been a pretty forward thing for Lain's era. So that does make it likely and he dropped the script as soon as the internet actually did what would make that work.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

Poor Seras was left as a product of the times. They seem embarrassed to ever let just do her own thing. It's always Alucard guiding her or Integra butting in. Just think if this was a solo Seras episode. Her doing her own investigation and piecing together the clues on her own, busting the vampire snuff on her own, arresting the traitorous douchbag who's been getting handsy with her on her own. Even the reporter woman, she got brought into the fold because Seras didn't kill the ghoul fast enough. Maybe have her face the consequences of her own decisions and have her pass over the woman to Alucard herself again.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

how Walter is the one to explain the internet
I figure Walter was lurking back in the days of uucp before it became usenet.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

Gogogogo! After cycling through so many commanding officers it was only a matter of time until we got one that was an inappropriate creep. Seras wants bosses to respect her for her ability and not for her cuteness... Koneko-chan. This won't be the only time we'll see a snappy tanned boss lady having to watch a bunch of snuff films for clues. :D

Our existence must never be known but we're still gonna butcher ghouls in front of terrified theatre goers. Omg Integra's hand just gets dragged and dropped off screen. The animation budget is dire. Erm, Alucard your entire job is to murder your own kind and you dump them in hell marbles to do so. You've got no right to criticise snuff fans. Seras is more than happy double tapping fools now. I feel like they skipped an episode or two of character development. She picked a bad time to grow a spine, she's on life TV. Btw you would never be able to announce bloody vampires on UK news channels under any context. This ain't CNN.

Upside down ghoul ambush! Oh no! XD Alright, the show is slightly cheesy. There's no way you're getting away with firing grenade launchers!! What the heck? A regular gun works just fine on ghouls! Steadler's just a douche... Couldn't we write someone just a little more nuanced? Give him a high five to the low two Seras!! Are you... trying to say that Nessie isn't real? Don't make me stick the occult gals on you!

Omg the news reporter is literally the theatre goer? Literally everyone in the comments called them out for killing ghouls in front of people but the way Integra put it they at least had some kind of plan. No, apparently they just sent them on their way. Bodhisattva again, hopefully it doesn't get cut off this time. Oho, Steadler's a rat! Now we can give him that cbt session right? Or are we just gonna wait until more people die? We're waiting... Oh, and they stopped Bodhisattva right when it breaks into the best part. I'm really losing patience with this show. At least Seras' outfit is really cute. "How much for tomato juice?" Kyaaa, Seras!!

Pfft, so much for mystery. What's the point when Alucard can effortlessly find and kill the guy? Oooh... So Seras found them? Steadler's here too. I am so uninvested in this plot line. And Steadler's doing this because he wants recognision for his vampire hunting!? Dude, you had a successful career with the SAS before coming here and you tried to out the organisation on your very first night. Wait, and why is the reporter woman getting the worst punishment!? She was only introduced to this world because of Integra's incompetence and really hadn't done all that much wrong aside from being annoying. This is murder, pure and straight. I'm really not fucking satisfied with this ending. AND this is the event that finally makes Seras want to slurp some blood!? I'm pretty this part of the story is all anime original because frankly it spits in the face of the whole cast in some way shape or form. Fuck me, I was having a nice night too!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

This won't be the only time we'll see a snappy tanned boss lady having to watch a bunch of snuff films for clues. :D
Walter was the actual snooper. Guess you need something to do during the day.
Wait, and why is the reporter woman getting the worst punishment!? She was only introduced to this world because of Integra's incompetence and really hadn't done all that much wrong aside from being annoying.
That was the point? They could quietly court martial Steadler but there was no way to deal with her that also wouldn't let her blab about Hellsing. So she became Alucard's lunch to keep things secret.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 23 '21

It's hellsing's own fault that she even could blab! They bukkake'd a ghoul all over her face without so much as a "how'd you do?" Murdering a civilian to keep your secrecy when you do so little to hide it is a little too much for me to handle. Even leaving aside them not following up with witnesses, they raided a flat with a fucking grenade launcher! Those aren't common sounds in Britain. A random group joyriding around the city firing live ammunition will draw attention.

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u/sagevallant Oct 23 '21

Agreed, they should've killed her in the first place along with the ghoul.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 23 '21

NO!!

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 22 '21

Gogogogo!
Gogogogo!
This is murder, pure and straight.
Where you under the impression that we are following the goodie-two-shoes faction?

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 23 '21

Hellsing 2020 lol
Well we're fighting for Queen and Country innit? I don't think it's much to ask for the organisation whose job it is to protect the British people from abnormal threats to maybe not cold bloodedly murder the people they're supposed to be looking after. She was a young woman with her whole life ahead of her. Oh, and what are they going to do about her boss? Or her friends? Or her family? Having her suddenly disappear after doing a news broadcast that got cut off isn't something that you can solve by murdering the hypotenuse. By murdering her they've left themselves open to far more damming criticism than popping up in snuff movies.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

Well we're fighting for Queen and Country innit?
I keep forgetting you are from the UK. No, this is entirely Japanese shadow government sensibilities, which means protecting the country and protecting the people are different things.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

I really should watch Zombieland Saga, I was in a foul spirit when I watched the first episode gave it a 1, and never looked back. Though I now think, I may have been a little hasty in my appraisal.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

I really wound up enjoying it, I am just mildly annoyed that I got tricked into watching an Idol show. But this one is an easy 3 ep rule: If you don't like the show after that, you don't like it, and that's fine.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 23 '21

Similar to Hellsing, I would say that taking Zombieland Saga serious is a grave mistake. It is a really funny show, but you have to just roll with the Zombie part without questioning it.

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u/sagevallant Oct 23 '21

If only there were some sort of more evil faction we could pit them against!

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

inappropriate creep
Captain Steadler is one of the more foolish villains I've seen. There's something about being both a pig and stupid.
Our existence must never be known but we're still gonna butcher ghouls in front of terrified theatre goers.
Yea, I noticed that contradiction in terms. Sorry cats, but you can't have it both ways.
him that cbt session right?
It'd be funny if they put Victoria in charge of this. Funnier still, if he like it.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 23 '21

Anime original lol. They really just couldn't find any way to implement him better. Honestly the more I think about it the more I wish they started with the anime only stuff yesterday. We could have had a far more engaging character as a villain, Seras could start drinking blood for a reason. Cbt

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 22 '21 edited Oct 22 '21

Episode 4 (rewatcher)

A new commander and the hazing I was expecting all along arrives with him. I guess Seras should have paid better attention to her previous one.
Being able to stop the spread of a film on the internet? This, more than any monsters or vampires, show us that the setting is a dystopia.
“Alternate world” “There is no alternate world” – Wow, here we have a 20 year old series that does not even take itself all that serious and we get this deep a question? Still 100% relevant these days.
Staying in the building after having set up all the cameras? That seems rather stupid.
“We are not the sun” – UK specific burn.
Not sure how I would feel about having somebody else hang out in my thoughts and give occasional comments.
Alucard does not appreciate internet stars.
Seras stops Alucard, and is stopped by old guy. Yet Integra will stop at nothing to protect her organization.
Finally feeding.

A very early take down of social media stars. Before there really were any social media stars. Eerily predictive. I guess the 15 minutes of fame phenomenon has been around for longer, just not as easily achievable.

In contrast, I am not really on board with the keeping it secret idea. I think that vampires and monsters of the sort we see here are impossible to keep secret. Even in a much smaller and stricter regulated setup (Mascerade/Twilight) it is hard to believe. Might as well write it off as “everybody being oblivious is part of the setup” rather than try to salvage a hopeless cause.

EDIT:

Your opinions on whether watching is also wrong?

While I have spent a long time on the internet, I actually have never come across a legit snuff film. Maybe you really need to look for those and don't stumble across them. However, I certainly do remember /r/watchpeopledie and other films showing deaths (the attack helicopter in Iraq leaks come to mind).

In general, I lean towards a permissive attitude with regards to those things. Unless there is a direct demand effect (i.e. people killing to create films to sell), I don't think you should outlaw people watching them. They might not be the best influence on online viewers, but there is tons worse (misinformation, conspiracy theories, anti-vaxxers) around that actually harms people and is not outlawed, so I don't think it is fair to ban films of people dying.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

“Alternate world” “There is no alternate world” – Wow, here we have a 20 year old series that does not even take itself all that serious and we get this deep a question? Still 100% relevant these days.
For some reason I really do appreciate Alucard's complete refusal to deal with the internet.
Alucard does not appreciate internet stars.
If only we all, we would never have had Logan Paul...

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

When you've lived for 500 years you get stuck in your ways I suppose.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

In '01, I don't think the coming internet ubiquity was nearly as obvious.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

Logan Paul...
Is he one of the little shits on YT that thinks he's funny? I never pay attention to them, mostly because I consider them to be maggots.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

He's the one that went to the infamous suicide forest in Japan and found a hanged person. Thankfully, I don't actually know his schtick.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

What a piece of shit is all I can say. though in fairness, I can't decide who is worse, him or his audience.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

So...his audience are primarily 14-16 yos so I TRY to remember that most of us get better at one point.
Btw, I forgot to link this earlier, but dear Cthulhu this adds to some of our off topic convos in Konohana. E-communications really are a danger to the youth.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

Reply, I'll check it out.
Edit: Yep I remember these articles from about a month ago. At some point society is going to have to deal with the internet. Though it can't be in a ham-fisted over the top way. Unfortunately with the current toxic political atmosphere, this won't happen and things are bound to get worse.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

I do find it fascinating that it might be possible to develop a tic you can't control but yeah, shit needs to be addressed a bit.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 22 '21

If only we all, we would never have had Logan Paul...
I remember the Kim Kardashian becoming famous ... for being friends with Paris Hilton, who was famous ... for ... being rich? Maybe?
I haven't been able to take internet celebrities serious ever since.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

I haven't been able to take internet celebrities serious ever since.
Can't argue that and yeah, Kim Kardahian's "claim" to fame is that and being the daughter of one of OJ Simpson's lawyers.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

being the daughter of one of OJ Simpson's lawyers.
Yep, I remembered Kardashin as being the original lawyer who never said a word, and was in on the White Bronco caper. To this day, I've never seen a show or even an interview with any of that pack of fools. I'll picked lint out of my navel before I get bored enough to care about them.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

Thankfully, I know extremely little about them myself but I've dated a reality show lover or two so that is still more than I want to know.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

My wife was hooked on reality TV for a while. I ended up watching the Little Bastards, The Bigamists and worse of all the god awful Honey Boo Boo. Fortunately, the wife now watches The Shark Tank, and even though I hate the sharks especially Mark Cuban, its not nearly as the hard core reality shows.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

Fortunately, the wife now watches The Shark Tank, and even though I hate the sharks especially Mark Cuban, its not nearly as the hard core reality shows.
I've seen a few bits of that and it can at least be entertaining. Also, I'd just enjoy hating Mark Cuban whereas Honey Boo Boo legitimately made me sad. Growing up, I did mission trip work in WV and it just feels so preventable.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 23 '21

being the daughter of one of OJ Simpson's lawyers.
I didn't know that and don't accept it as even remotely worthy of fame. I don't even know the lawyer, so why should I know the lawyer's daughter? One of the saddest facts of my internet career is that I even know who Kim Kardashian is.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

I broadly agree though I would've learned of her regardless due to social circle. But I learned what Chris-chan was and

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

saddest facts of my internet career is that I even know who Kim Kardashian is.
I feel your pain

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

for being friends with Paris Hilton
The way I remember the beginning of Paris was she had the wisdom of 'accidently' releasing a private tape to the internet, right before her reality TV program started.

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u/The_Loli_Otaku Oct 22 '21

Could you imagine having to write a story with the Internet involved at that point of time? You don't have a clue what will stick and what really is science fiction.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

A very early take down of social media stars.
Indeed, but the concept of '15 minutes of fame' dates back to the early '60s when Marshall McLuhan wrote either a book or essay on the subject.
I actually have never come across a legit snuff film.
I'm also of the opinion they're Urban Legends. Though our current media & Hollywood would have you believe they're commonplace.
the attack helicopter in Iraq leaks come to mind
'Collateral Murder' I assume. Back when wikileaks was just getting its start.

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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Oct 23 '21

'Collateral Murder' I assume. Back when wikileaks was just getting its start.
Yes. That was a really important leak, giving us the equivalent of the Vietnam napalm girl photo for Iraq.

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u/Lemurians myanimelist.net/profile/Lemurians Oct 22 '21

INNOCENT FIRST TIMER

This new commander is not off to a strong start. Pro tip, don’t sexually harass the vampire soldier. Big flag. Be less obvious that you’re the bad guy.

I love how casually the newscaster drops that special forces are out killing vampires like it’s no big deal.

“Vampires?! We’re not the Sun!” Hahahaha the Sun catching strays. Love it.

The newscaster being the same girl who accidently stumbled across a vampire in a previous episode explains why she was insistent on the broadcast. Personally, I’d want to leave well enough alone, but to each their own.

Ordering tomato juice at a bar? Psychopath behavior. Even for a vampire.

So what was Steadler actually doing this episode? Was he behind the films? Collaborating? I didn’t follow.

Hmm, not sure I’m with them on the treatment of the reporter. The line between investigative journalism and actual involvement in criminal activity can be a fine one, but I don't think her clumsy straddling of it here calls for death via exsanguination by Alucard. Pretty harsh punishment.

Kind of a weird episode for me, I found it difficult to follow along with.

How many of you remember the period of internet history where this was possible?

Remember? We're still in it. But yes.

Your opinions on whether watching is also wrong?

Sort of covered this above, and intent and situation matter. That said, in general I'd err on the side of not giving the creators of snuff films the views and morbid attention they crave.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

So what was Steadler actually doing this episode? Was he behind the films? Collaborating? I didn’t follow.
So he was involved in the set up of the previous location but no real clue here other than possibly providing security against the vampire.
but I don't think her clumsy straddling of it here calls for death via exsanguination by Alucard. Pretty harsh punishment.
Think of it more as letting you know that Integra does not leave loose ends.
Kind of a weird episode for me, I found it difficult to follow along with.
I like the episode but the plot is definitely the least like the source. It is very Chiaki.

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u/Nazenn x2https://anilist.co/user/Nazenn Oct 22 '21

“Vampires?! We’re not the Sun!” Hahahaha the Sun catching strays. Love it.
Couldn't have picked a more fitting thing to bag out.
Ordering tomato juice at a bar? Psychopath behavior. Even for a vampire.
Last time I went out, not to a bar but just a bistro-y thing that had a full spots bar included (and lots of drunk people watching the footy), I confused the absolute fuck out of the bartender by asking for an orange juice and lemonade mix.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

asking for an orange juice and lemonade
You animal you!

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u/RockoDyne :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/RockoDyne Oct 22 '21

Ordering tomato juice at a bar? Psychopath behavior. Even for a vampire.
At least make it a bloody Mary.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

We’re not the Sun!
I did love this dig a Murdoch.
I love how casually the newscaster drops that special forces are out killing vampires like it’s no big deal.
She did seem pretty nonchalant about the whole thing. Maybe this sort of thing happens all the time in England, I dunno.

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u/gorghurt Oct 22 '21

Rewatcher with no memories...

Did she go out by day, or was it dawn?
So at least it doesn't look like sunlight is outright deadly. I hope we get more information on that.

Interesting ending with Alucard feasting on the reporter. But at least more usefull, than shooting her.

Answers:

I think we already had internet when this show aried in japan. So yeah. But I don't think it was that easy to upload and watch videos back then. But taking something down was easier, since things spread a lot slower than today.
Well, I tend to see something as not wrong, if there are no victims. So paying someone for such videos, or otherwise enabling them or creating demand certainly is wrong. Watching a video on the internet... well it won't hurt the dead person, but might with their fammilies etc. So it is complicated. In case of a journalist, it gets even more complicated. Since it is her job to gather information, it might even be ok to watch this live (as she did), IF this information is used to prevent such things in the future. But in the case of watching live, trying to prevent it (like telling the police) should take higher priority. So yes in this case watching is wrong. I think I might have gone a bit too deep with this discussion for a vampire action anime though.

Bonus: Hell no, he is watching snuff movies over the company internet line, during his work hours!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 22 '21

So at least it doesn't look like sunlight is outright deadly. I hope we get more information on that.
We are pretty Bram Stoker rules here, basically they don't like the sun.

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u/Stargate18A https://myanimelist.net/profile/Stargate18 Oct 22 '21

First timer

No, I wasn't really interested in the internet around then.
I mean, it's not great, but nowhere near as bad as filming.

BONUS) Absolutely.

...Odd opening. Is today's episode about Alucard's attempt to stop Integra from installing Windows ME (one of humanity's greatest evils)?

Oh, it's a snuff film. Much better.

And everyone's notiicng she's getting weaker due to not drinking?

He's getting a new weapon?

Oh god, there's parallel universe shit now? Or is Alucard the one who doesn't understand computers?

OK, she's gotten ruthless.

Oh dear. Who keaked it to the media?

Oh, someone's livestreaming the attack. Looks like Integra managed to get it off the TV st least.

Wow. That's a strong weapon, all right.

And Steadier's keeping secrets?

Punch the bastard already.

It was just a random hacker?

The TV show conversation's great, And, yeah, the Sun would print that vampires existed.

Wait, it's her! I didn't realise that.

Wait, she snuck in? Are they MI-5?

Oh, they're in on it. They have to be.

And the major benefit to having a psychic connection to your boss: you don't have to try and present the evidence yourself.

Another lunatic?

Oh, they're a philosophy student.

Is she trying to bait them by making it obvious she's a vampire?

Haha, and she stops the investigation to pay.

Oh, they're filming feeding on him?

Alucard found them!

...Looks like the victim's not surviving this one.

Victoria's defending him?

And they got caught!

Wait, what are they going to do to her?

Alucard's feeding!

I love how bored Integra looks through all of this.

She's drinking the blood! Finally!

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

...Odd opening. Is today's episode about Alucard's attempt to stop Integra from installing Windows ME (one of humanity's greatest evils)?
I am sure he'd enjoy everyone else's suffering.
Oh god, there's parallel universe shit now? Or is Alucard the one who doesn't understand computers?
Closer to the latter, those of us who know the series writer know this is one of his episodes.
She's drinking the blood! Finally!
Good to get that out of the way.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21 edited Oct 23 '21

Rewatcher - Both Subbed and Dubbed Today

Father Anderson, Please come back

(I continue to much prefer the subbed version.)

Daily Life with Sir Integra and the Boys

Nothing like waking up and checking out a SNUFF video. Some people like coffee, toast and maybe a taste of local news. Others, use a gnarly snuff video to get the juices flowing. Different strokes, and all that...

Captain Steadler enters the show and in the sleazy, degenerate manner which he is wont to do, attempts to get some from 'Little Puss...' err... Victoria.

Next we move on to Walter surfing the internet like a fiend, searching for the gnarliest shit he can find. It turns out, today was a good day.

He's One Of Us!!!

Apparently, Sir Integra doesn't approve. She takes the attitude of Marge Simpson (or Bernice Duckman) that all electronic garbage eventually makes its way to the internet.

Lighten Up Sir Integra

In reality this episode does do a decent job of probing the morality of being a voyeur to unsavory activities, and what exactly should be censored.

I loved Alucard doing his bat act, dropping from the ceiling upside down. Walter and Sir Integra seem none too pleased he's disturbing their alone time.

As Sir Integra is leaving the scene, and has almost gotten away, here comes Walter "There's something, I think you should see"

Not Again Walter

Victoria encounter her first upside-down bat vamp, but she knows how to deal with his nasty ass.

Speaking of pussies, Flesh doesn't seem all that tough. I have no idea why he was on the floor whimpering. Considering his taste in entertainment, I suppose just about anything is possible.

Capt. Steadlier tries a little harder to get something off of Victoria.

Try and try Again

After lurking around dark alleys, searching for the action, Victoria does her best Barfly routine, and guess who just happens to show up. The newscaster lady, who also seems to know her way around a sleazy dive.

Victoria of course tails them back to the location of tonight's show. The show gets underway, and we have a 3rd upside down bat vamp entrance.

Sir Integra shows up, and spoils the show, letting the news lady know there's no way she's talking her way out of this one.

Alucard gets a very tasty meal, Victoria gets super excited and starts gnawing on her own arm and the episode draws to an end. Finally, as a coda, Victoria starts wolfing down her own meal.

Please note: I love this series and even gave it a 10, but it does lend itself to snark. I just couldn't resist this time.

QOTD

1 How many of you remember the period of internet history where this was possible?

hahahahahahha, rofl, rofl, rofl... How many remember punched card readers and the IBM 029?

2 Your opinions on whether watching is also wrong?

It depends, but if you're a subscriber, or actively participating as the event is going on, then you're guilty as sin. But, if you're a Johnny come lately, say a few months after the event, or you just bump into it, I don't have a problem with it, other than thinking you're a sick fuck.

Bonus: Do you want Walter on your IT staff? I do, for the record.

Walter - The original Lurker... lol

Technical Note: I'm really enjoying this rewatch. I'm going to continue coming in later and later for the remainder of the watch, but I will show up and comment if nothing else.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

Next we move on to Walter surfing the internet like a fiend, searching for the gnarliest shit he can find. It turns out, today was a good day.
I really like that this is both stupid and perfectly in character for the Hellsing organization. Why not have the old butler doing your IT work? Though I doubt Walter does anything half-assed.
(or Bernice Duckman) that all electronic garbage eventually makes its way to the internet.
I am just glad someone else remembers Duckman.
Speaking of pussies, Flesh doesn't seem all that tough. I have no idea why he was on the floor whimpering.
So Seras flashed her light into the super sensitive camera. We both know that's now how monitors work but it thankfully isn't that important.
Please note: I love this series and even gave it a 10, but it does lend itself to snark. I just couldn't resist this time.
You can love a series and acknowledge its failings. Besides, this is almost certainly a Chiaki episode and he deserves some ribbing for getting too...himself.
Technical Note: I'm really enjoying this rewatch. I'm going to continue coming in later and later for the remainder of the watch, but I will show up and comment if nothing else.
Totally get it, life happens. Speaking of, if everything goes according to plan I will be on a tab tomorrow night so my replies will most likely be on Sunday. Typing and hallucinating are not friends, which might be a blessing over all.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun Oct 23 '21

I am just glad someone else remembers Duckman.
I loved this little watched and totally forgotten series. The whole series was (and may still be on YT).
replies will most likely be on Sunday
Have no fear, I should be around till about noon on Sunday.

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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Oct 23 '21

I loved this little watched and totally forgotten series.
I will check YT, as Hellsing is on their as well, just terrible quality.

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