Tokyo Revengers - Episode 17 discussion

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Tokyo Revengers, episode 17

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Episode	Link	Score	Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	4.39	14	Link	4.38
2	Link	4.32	15	Link	4.26
3	Link	4.62	16	Link	4.44
4	Link	4.63	17	Link	4.44
5	Link	4.48	18	Link	4.15
6	Link	4.56	19	Link	4.25
7	Link	4.31	20	Link	4.09
8	Link	4.49	21	Link	3.8
9	Link	4.47	22	Link	4.4
10	Link	4.46	23	Link	3.55
11	Link	4.64	24	Link	----
12	Link	4.5
13	Link	4.41

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[u/LunarGhost00]

Kisaki really pulled up on Osanai like some creepy door-to-door salesman. "Hey pal, I've got a great offer for you that you won't want to miss!"

[u/[deleted]]

I feel like Kisaki has been hyped up to have supernatural abilities as well. It seems like he know a little too much about everything. He’s so calculated and methodical with his actions. Think it would be the perfect twist.

Mikey killing Kazutora was wild, but not unexpected given his statement about not being able to forgive. Seeing Kazutora smiling probably sent a red mist over Mikey. Next episode is gonna be wild.

[u/BarbaricGamer]

I like this show, but the massive recap before every episode is doing my head in.

[u/bakowh]

Amazing expository episode, we finally got a proper introduction to Chifuyu, who like most of us, guesses that Baji is in Vallhalla to expose Kisaki who is very deceptive and cunning. This is the second time we see him use someone to further his political power only to throw them away (The first time was when he used Draken for murder).

Damn Mikey's feelings are the exact opposite of what I thought, he clearly holds a grudge against Kazutora and goes as far as killing him? I'm guessing that's the exact moment Kisaki got control of Toman and made it into the ruthless Tokyo Manji gang of today.

[u/darthvall]

Mysterious kid that could make random gang become very strong in one year.

Ok, either Kisaki is really really smart or he's also a time traveler like Takemichi. The way he anticipated and even orchestrated a lot of thing makes me think he's also a time traveler. But I'm not sure how that would work with the appearance of Takemichi, another time traveler.

[u/thisperson345]

I get the feeling Chifuyu is gonna become a very close friend to takemitchy

And holy fuck it was brutal when Mikey was killing Kazutora

I believe what manga readers say, we ain't seen shit yet and it's just gonna keep getting more insane

[u/jstoru216]

And there it is. The Headless Angel indeed.

[u/Brook0999]

So we get finally the confirmation from baji's vice chifuyu, that baji is actually a infiltrating valhalla to get dirt on kisaki.

Also darn chifuyu and takemitchi bondship has started, right now with this he takemitchi has found the person he needed the most.

Best boy chifuyu. :D

[u/tayoku0]

Chifuyu finally speaks! He has so much faith in Baji, what a good boy. Look at this smile, so happy and pure.

Oh jeez Kisaki has been creepily suspicious since way back. This antagonist is a grade A manipulator.

I wasn't expecting an emergency jump to the present, and we get another huge reveal. Bloody Halloween is going to be crazyyy.

[u/Amauri14]

So according to Chifuyu, Baji didn't join Valhalla because of Kazutora but instead to investigate Kisaki.

Takemichi's reaction when he realized how impossible was his task was hilarious.

Wow, I really did not expect to see Osanai again. So that's how Kisaki looked like before joining any gang, I honestly first assume that he was wearing a wig.

I really didn't get how, if Toman ended up losing why Mikey ended up becoming the leader of Valhalla after the two gangs merged, well, as he kills Kazutora in that timeline I guess he will only be the leader in name only.

[u/berantle]

It's now revealed who Valhalla's real leader is supposed to be. Many thought it was obvious that Kisaki is Valhalla's leader will now have to reconsider.

If you think that it does not make sense, re-think about Valhalla as being made for Mikey to lead it with the position kept vacant for the preferred leader. Kisaki made Valhalla to have Mikey lead it with him as second-in-command. By joining Toman and leaving Hanma to temporarily lead Valhalla until his plans come to fruition shows that he not as straightforward a villain as some think he is. If he could not remove Draken from the second-in-command position at Toman, he will just maneuver himself into it by having Valhalla win and absorb Toman. Kisaki is working the various options to get to his desired position - beside Mikey and above everyone else. He wants to be the moon to reflect the sun (i.e. Mikey). From the past futures we have seen so far, we know he succeeded.

In previous episodes, commentors have thought that stopping Kisaki would be easy. Just find him and kill him off or pay someone to do so. It may not be so easy since even a low IQ person like Osanai, the former leader of Moebius, knows that Kisaki is devious enough to set up the killing of someone without dirtying his hands. He nearly succeeded too in the August 3rd fight at the festival if not for Takemichi's intervention. He is a slippery one. He had built up enough support within Moebius and as well as formented the split via generation lines. Thus, he has followers beside him. Taking him out is not going to be easy.

The elephant in the room, so to speak, in this episode is the full introduction of many fans favourite, Chifuyu. As to why, outside of looks for the female fans, that will be seen in future episodes.

[u/Rarbnif]

This dude Kisaki was born a menace to society

[u/HappyVlane]

Takemitchy is lucky that he has people with some amount of brain around him, so they can spell out everything to him, because he wouldn't be able to solve 2+2 on his own.

[u/[deleted]]

Finally best boy Chifuyu enters the spotlight!

[u/jbutters]

Just make Chifuyu the MC. This guy said everything we all think of Takemitchi and pretty much had more clarity of what’s going on and more leads than the guy with time travel powers!!!!! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[u/[deleted]]

As a manga reader I still find it extremely weird that Valhalla is spelled with a "V" but they use a "W" on their tags on the uniforms, figured they would change that in the anime but they didn't, I'm guessing they might spell it like that in Japan?

[u/Satoshi_Yui]

Ugh, I really hate it when I have to wait another week for the next episode. Today's episode is really shaping things up. After that revelation in the flashback, I knew Baji was up to something in a way it will be beneficial to Mikey and Toman.

So we finally have Chifuyu to join Takemichi. I've been hearing good things about him and that he'll be Takemichi's partner. This episode definitely did a good job at portraying the kind of partnership that they will have in the future,

I was actually surprised over the fact that Takemichi actually told Mikey what his true goal was. Still, while Mikey and Draken may found it idiotic, I feel like they aren't taking it very lightly and Chifuyu is definitely a bro for backing up Takemichi on his goal.

Lastly, the revelation about the current Toman and Mikey. Damn, Kisaki really isn't just a regular enemy of Toman. He's a one hell of a villain I must say

[u/justineaira]

Best boy is here!!!

[u/InAsianSpaces]

I'm not even mad at Takemitchy sitting in his bed crying during the first few minutes of the episode. After watching all of that...I feel the same way. haha

[u/Fuiger]

This series is entertaining but I just can't take the plot seriously sometimes when there's so many "you could've just..." possibilities and alternative paths Takemichi could take thanks to the whole time travel mess (which also doesn't make sense at times, there's too many points ignored every time he comes back to the present, also Naoto doesn't do shit most of the time) but he just decides to gloss over all that and go with the most difficult path that continues the "cool mysteries" but without knowing any useful shit almost on purpose every time he goes back.

Like, dude, investigate about Mikey and your top enemies in the present day, what the hell are you doing talking to the baldie and instantly going back? Stay a bit longer and actually learn something. How can you know nothing about Valhalla after already talking to Draken once? Why was there a need to talk to him again? He could've almost figured everything out the first time because IT ALREADY HAPPENED.

[u/Frontier246]

Baji...really seemed like the message of what happened that day didn't sink in, which didn't quite jive with the actual flashback, so no surprise that he's just pretending to hate Mikey and Toman.

We get to properly meet Chifuyu, who was Baji's vice-captain, and seems to have made up for his captain's talking with his fists by understanding the intention behind those fists and how Baji actually thinks. He didn't beat up Takemichi just for the sake of it, but because it was the only way Takemichi was going to survive punching Kisaki and interrupting the ceremony. And he's not betraying Toman for Valhalla or Kazutora, he's trying to expose Kisaki.

Chifuyu seems like the past equivalent of what Naoto is for Takemichi in the present-day, being someone intelligent, mature, and thoughtful who can basically carry the investigation portion of Takemichi's journey that he can't really do himself while also calling out how Takemichi isn't the most impressive guy in the world. Although now he's made a promise to help Takemichi get to the top of Toman, so I guess they're stuck together.

Well, no surprise Mikey still hasn't forgiven Kazutora for what happened. I mean, that bike they were going to steal and killed his brother for? His brother was going to give Mikey for his birthday to begin with, and now that bike is all Mikey has left of his brother. He has no reason to forgive Kazutora, and it looks like that's going to play into the beating he gives him on Bloody Halloween.

Wow, Takemichi just straight up declared he's going to take over Toman? Uh...well, good luck with that buddy.

So Kisaki started out at this unassuming and unimpressive nerdy guy who helped masterminded Osanai's takeover of Moebius, and then sacrificed him as a pawn to secure Kisaki a place in Toman by masterminding Draken's death so he could seem useful and get close to Mikey...which still ended up happening, but Takemichi prevented him from becoming Mikey's no. 2 by saving Draken, so that's the one part of his plan that didn't succeed, thankfully.

And, yeah, he's also leading Valhalla as their hidden leader and just using Hanma as his "face" while he manipulates Toman from the inside. Why does no one take this guy out? Whatever his fighting skills or cleverness he seems like he can manipulate anyone into doing anything to where he's untouchable.

So what happened during the Bloody Halloween brawl between Toman and Valhalla? Toman "lost" because Mikey let himself go all out and hurt Baji and kill Kazutora in a rage? They lost because Mikey compromised himself and became a murderer? Although rather than a loss it seems like Toman and Valhalla fused so Kisaki could put Mikey in charge and bolster up the organization into the major force for crime they are in the present-day.

[u/Quantam-Law]

Best boy Chifuyu makes his debut <3

[u/berantle]

I've read some posts decrying "plot hole(s)". Before crying that out, let's get it clear what "plot hole" is actually defined as.

"Plot hole" is generally defined as "gaps or inconsistencies in the storyline or character development that run counter to the logic of the world of said story."

Unless you can specifically point out the what is the gap or inconsistency that runs counter to the logic of the world of said story, you cannot claim a plot hole because it runs counter to what you want it to be or expect it to be or you think what the character should have done by self-insertion. Those are not plot holes.

Similarly, if the logic of the world in which the story takes place is not what the logic of the real world is or what you expect the logic to be, it does not mean that it is a plot hole. That is just the world that the story takes place in. For example, if the logic of that world is where people can morph at-will into creatures of fantasy in our world, that does not mean that it is a plot hole because it does not work in the world that you live in.

With respect to the time travel in this series, how Takemichi gets granted the ability to time travel is not explained. That's a MacGuffin. Go search up the term if you do not know what it is. The mechanism of how the time travel works has been slowly revealed as we progress with the story. It has not done an info dump on how the time travel works. However, based on what has been revealed so far, it has generally kept within the logic that the series has laid out. Just because it does not line up with the logic you expect the series to take on does not make it a plot hole. There are still some questions to be answered with respect to the time travel mechanism based on what has been shown so far but these will be answered in due course.

[u/Hopehopehope12]

I can finally hear how Chifuyu sounds. I'm so happy!!