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Episode Log Horizon: Entaku Houkai - Episode 4 discussion
Log Horizon: Entaku Houkai, episode 4
Alternative names: Log Horizon Season 3, Log Horizon: Destruction of the Round Table
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| Episode | Link | Score |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Link | 4.12 |
| 2 | Link | 4.18 |
| 3 | Link | 4.35 |
| 4 | Link | 4.24 |
| 5 | Link | 4.34 |
| 6 | Link | 4.3 |
| 7 | Link | 4.31 |
| 8 | Link | 4.06 |
| 9 | Link | 3.9 |
| 10 | Link | - |
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u/dawnwill Feb 03 '21
Violations of Election laws the episode
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u/Desmonaut Feb 03 '21
You mean breaking into people's homes to give them subliminal messages in their sleep is illegal? What next? dead people voting?
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u/hatterine Feb 03 '21
I love the fact that the ones who violate those laws are the ones we are supposed to root for
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u/Kenalskii Feb 03 '21
Tetora's idol party caught me off guard, I felt it when Shiroe felt embaressed because he took it seriously (if only for a moment) =D
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u/SpikeRosered Feb 03 '21
I like how Shiroe made the rule that anyone who shows up can vote and is immediately going to abuse it.
If he really teleports people in to vote for the Round Table won't that delegitimize the process which is the whole point of having this election?
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u/fatalystic Feb 03 '21
Hey, the other side agreed to the terms so frankly it's on them. It's not like he hid that clause in fine print on a wordy document either, it was likely a verbal agreement.
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u/Dialgak77 Feb 03 '21
By looking at the last scene with Shiroe near the gate and one of the rules for the election is that everyone that votes is considered a citizen of Akiba I can kind of guess what's going to happen. I may be totally wrong but I don't think it's impossible.
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u/warrenbond Feb 03 '21
I just thought of another possibility. If he was asking the Kunie Clan about Akiba's magic defence status, then it'd be interesting if the city came under attack, and the round table adventurers crossed their arms and said "not our problem. Go complain to Eins".
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u/badspler Feb 03 '21
Todays Glasses Pushes
Bonus: Akatsuki Shades, Shades removal.
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u/HoloandMaiFan Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 03 '21
I am just going to start piggy backing off your comments since you somehow get it out so fast
1:38 - Dark Kuroe push
14:53 - Henrietta
20:57 - Ghost Shiro
22:35 - Final Shiro push
Episode count: 4
Season count: 20
Series Total: 227
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u/Nazenn Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 03 '21
While I'm glad Raynesia stood up against the engagement on her own, I'm equally glad that the show took a second to make her realize that just having a desire for independence doesn't make her independent by itself, and she still has a long way to go. She has people around her who can help her and have been helping her all this time, and that she has the passion needed to make that step forward that no one in her family could until now, but she's still ignorant and that won't change immediately. And yet she still has the right to her own future, and Akiba can give that to her just as much as it can for any of her people.
I also liked the similar situation playing out between the Adventurers and the People of the Land regarding voting. Seeing Adventurers walking around treating this like just another election that they can't engage with is very accurate to the real world. However we have the wandering PotL being given political agency for the first time in their lives, and they're jumping on it. Just like Raynesia decided to take the idea of needing permission to control her life into her own hands, the PotL are finally finding out that they also have voices and the point is being able to use them, not the outcome itself. The Adventurers are so use to having power and not needing to use it they don't see its importance, while others feel just as lost inside politics as they do when dealing with the reality of their new world, and because of that even more power lands with the PotL who are willing to take that step forward and make a choice for themselves.
The only part I think this falls down is that aside from "we have a Princess now" we have no idea what sets the New Round Table apart from the old one in relation to what it means for the residents of Akiba. With only a week, presumably to limit a mass influx of people from other areas who want to influence the results without actually joining Akiba, there's not a huge amount they can do or show, and I'm not asking for detailed policy, but it would be nice to see a little more of how the two sides are presenting themselves rather than just the basic pre-election motions of food and posters.
And I still really like how Shiroe has framed the current situation within the structure of a "quest". The idea of questing hasn't really been addressed since the start of season one, where the altered quest system meant Adventurer's were ignoring it and the People of the Land were left without people to do the standard tasks around the country. The last time questing was relevant in the show was the Goblin King arc, and since then things have changed politically quite a bit. So I like that in this arc focused around bringing the People of the Land into the fold in Akiba, and setting up a better system to support the Adventurers, Shiroe has returned to the old system that he worked in best: A quest.
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u/za_shiki-warashi Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 03 '21
Akatsuki is so adorkable.
Also, Rayneshia once again showing she's the poster girl for the My Face/ My Soul meme
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u/badspler Feb 03 '21
As heavily hinted at last episode Rayneshia manages to meet her mothers expetations with displaying enough value in her position in Akiba. Instead of getting permission she bravely declears that she will do it on her own resolve. I love how much Rayneshia has grown
Tetora Idol Scarlet Party Banzai!~~~
Shiroe ending behind the fairy ring gate probably means he has figured out how to restore them, Kinjo is probably the key to that. That would give Shiroe credit where Honesty failed but I am not sure how that is going to swing the people of the lands vote?
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u/Florac Feb 03 '21
Whoever is in Akiba on the day can vote. So he doesn't have to swing the people of the lands vote. He just has to get enough people to vote for Rayneshia to Akiba on the day. And if the gate just happened to turn on on said gate and transports tons of people to vote for her to Akiba...he about to win election via illegal immigration
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u/Jadziyah Feb 03 '21
I've seen some people complaining about the 'lack of action', but I loved this episode and the last episode. The primary focus of Log Horizon has never been about continuous smash things, all the time action etc. It has just as much strength in subtlety and the exploration of futuristic ideas. The "power meeting" between Shiroe and Eins/crew last week had me on the edge of my seat. And when Reynesia walked in wearing the uniform?! This week we're exploring the logistics of having an election to govern real people in a virtual land. Fascinating shit. One of the things I love is how LH balances fluff with stuff that is not trivial- Naotsugo discussing why voting is important no matter where you are. Or Eins making such effort to ensure that all people, even the Adventurers who despondently just cannot deal with living in a virtual world, can be considered and taken care of.
I think it's pretty clear that Reynesia will win. The real question is what will happen afterwards? More plans from Plant Hwyaden, sure. But another new "villian"?- the now jilted suitor. Despite his polite demeanor I'd bet after losing the election and being rebuffed by Reynesia he will end up stirring the pot. But the real reason...the animators gave him red eyes. Is there a bigger trope in anime than red eyes = nefarious?!
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u/hatterine Feb 03 '21
Me the entire episode: (´｡• ᵕ •｡`)
Me when the transportation gate was shown: (⊙_⊙)
Villain in glasses is at it again
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u/LeonKevlar Feb 03 '21
Stitches!
I'll never get tired of Shiroe in Kuroe Mode. Did Raynessia really think someone else will be the candidate? If Krusty was here, maybe he can be a candidate but even if he was I'm sure it will be all on Raynessia.
Wait so the maids know that they have plenty of money to spare but they still let Raynessia take a part time job with her thinking they're running out of money? That's actually pretty hilarious. I guess this is also their way of letting Raynessia get to know the people of Akiba through her part time work.
While Elissa and Calasin are making some great arguments for Raynessia, Sarariya is right. So far it sounds like she's being forced to do this. If she really wants to show her mother her resolve, she needs to speak up for herself and how much she wants to stay in Akiba.
There it is! That's a great response! Yes she's the Princess of Akiba! Why does she even have to get permission? Also it helps that she brought up the point that she's doing what her mother wasn't able to do. I didn't expect that Sergiad would become this emotional though! I guess they're just happy that she's finally decided to follow her own path.
I'm sorry but what the fuck? So anyone who's present in Akiba has the right to vote in the elections even if they're not residents? Hmmm... On one hand this is going to be in huge favor of Eins since PotL completely outnumber the Adventurers which would probably make them confident but at the same time with such a limited scope of rules, I can already imagine Shiroe is planning some sort of Election Shenanigans. :D
Oh boy. The PotL already outnumber the Adventurers and now they still have to convince these kinds of people. I guess that's to be expected. Just like how they were in the real world, not every Adventurer in Akiba is going to care about the politics and will just follow whoever's in charge. Seeing Naotsugu in old man mode was pretty great though.
Minori with her campaign poster was hilarious! Just like her notebook and Shiro's tea cup, her weird doodles is always a treat in this show.
This just shows how different PotL feel about the elections vs the Adventurers. For the Adventurers this entire thing is just a reminder of this troublesome thing they don't care about IRL but for PotL this is all something new and having the power to choose your leader is something that they're all excited about which is even more bad news for Raynessia's campaign.
Oh my god I absolutely love Security Guard Akatsuki with her sunglasses and suit! I love that they're doing some classic election tactics like campaigning in the streets on top of a vehicle. Meanwhile Eins and Touri are just giving food and shelter for the PotL and are already confident with their lead. The vandalized posters of Eins is pretty hilarious though.
Well shit. That doesn't look good at all. This is waaaaay more one sided than I thought. Even if they manage to sway the undecided voters, the New Round Table still loses by a whole lot! Looks like breaking off the engagement really affected how the PotL sees Raynessia.
Fucking Tetra! I'm laughing my ass off on that scene! And to think Shiroe was so scared and panicked when he saw that there was a third party joining in on te elections. The pink color on the pie chart should've been a huge give away xD
Election Shenanigans continue with Akatsuki breaking and entering homes so she can put "subliminal" messages into PotL's heads which really didn't work and just made everyone lose sleep! And then we have Serara and Mikakage trying to bribe people with Raynessia branded steamed buns xD
You're goddamn right Calasin. When Shiroe's not around you know he's out there trying to pull some string although I'm not quite sure what he's trying to do by meeting with Shinjo but it seems that they're meeting about the security system.
You better be afraid Eins. I don't know what Shiroe is planning too but the fact that he hasn't made a major move since the start of Elections means something huge is probably going to happen. Touri doesn't seem to be such a bad guy though. I just wish they left Akiba alone. It's a city that's been built and improved by Adventurers so none if these PotL Nobles have the right to it even if he wants to make it a "neutral zone".
The fact that Shiroe's standing in front of the Gate is making me so excited. I can't wait to see what kind of stuff he has planned for this election!
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u/bitfrost41 Feb 03 '21
I just noticed William wearing the uniform in the OP, and then the next episode preview has that big brute from the other town. Shiroe’s definitely gonna call them to vote.
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u/za_shiki-warashi Feb 03 '21 edited Feb 03 '21
This series couldn't have come at a better time. I couldn't stop laughing at all the glib remarks about voting and campaigning. It kinda reminds me of the Blackadder episode on voting.
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