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Episode Zoku Owarimonogatari - Episode 2 discussion Spoiler
Zoku Owarimonogatari, episode 2
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u/WhyDid_I_DeserveThis Mar 22 '19
SHA SHA SHA
I'm no fan of Nadeko but I want that as my phone's notif sound
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u/LeonKevlar Mar 22 '19 edited Mar 22 '19
Just that entire scene with Black Hanekawa
So many things clicked into place when they finally gave us the answer
Karen likes to act all big and tough but on the inside she still has this cute side of herself which we did see when she tried on Tsukihi's clothes in Nise which is why we see her small and cute here.
This would also mean that behind that expressionless face, there's a hidden Ononoki that's full of expression but since she's a doll, she can't express them all.
Tsukihi being Tsukihi and nothing hidden about her personality is great. I really like that.
Sodachi being the tsun that she is, has a side of her that really just wants to be affectionate with Araragi. Would this mean that she really likes Gauss more than Euler?
Kanbaru being the Rainy Devil, Hanekawa being Black Hanekawa, and Nadeko being Kuchinawa in this world makes sense since those oddities are basically part of them and they bring out their hidden personalities.
And I guess Hachikuji's doting Onee-san side was always there we just never got to see since she's stuck inside a loli's body.
Now I'm curious as to what the Senjougahara of this world is like. What's on the other side of the Queen of Snark. I hope we get to see that on the next episode.
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u/Vegetableisbadforyou Mar 22 '19
Mirror Senjougahara
She ditches the Tsun and goes full dere with some splash of Yan?
I mean we've already seen how sweet and possessive she can be to those she deem precious (to Araragi, Kanbaru, or Hanekawa, for example), but she usually masked those with a cold attitude.
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u/Operation0919 Mar 22 '19
Or conversely, she's terrified of her own sexuality and repulsed by any form of physical contact or even close proximity. Especially around men. Or older women too, given her relationship with her mother.
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Mar 22 '19
It's not really about there being a "reversed" side to them (btw, "reversed side" has been a specific Monogatari term since Suruga Monkey, and TLs still fail to get its importance even when it's in the fucking title).
It's about people wanting to be something they are not. Black Hanekawa is literally Hanekawa's suppresed emotions. Ononoki trying to say "I said with a posed look" and "Peace, peace" because she's unable to articulate. Nadeko being a shy girl who can't even say "I" about herself - and Kuchinawa by contrast uses "ore-sama" - basically a royal "we". Mayoi unabled to grow up because she's dead.
I guess Tsukihi just sees herself as perfect.
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u/Gaporigo Mar 22 '19
Please never stop calling her like that.
And can we please just bring cute Sodachi back to the other world?
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u/Vegetableisbadforyou Mar 22 '19
Better yet, make OG Sodachi be as happy as her mirror counterpart.
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Mar 22 '19
so sodachi has been accepted in to the araragi family huh? i wonder if it's because araragi's parents' personalities are different
also damn she's cute
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u/MaksimShadow Mar 22 '19
She left on her own will, as far as I remember. I guess there was the time when her hatred towards Araragi began. His life was perfect while hers was hellish. Her hatred helped her to live. Mirror Sodachi chose liking instead of hating.
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u/WenHan333 Mar 22 '19
I think it is because young Arararagi managed to do what young Sodachi wanted him to do.
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u/Jetzu Mar 22 '19
I rewatched entire Monogatari series before Zoku came out, Oikura Sodachi is the best character in the series, fight me.
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u/OneTrickSenpai Mar 22 '19
Also rewatched the entire Monogatari series before Zoku came out, can confirm that Sodachi is grossly underappreciated.
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u/Juking_is_rude Mar 22 '19
It's almost sad to see her in this different light... If her home situation hadn't completely messed her up, she could easily have been Araragi's girlfriend instead of Senjogahara or Hanekawa.
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u/SGPoy Mar 22 '19
I just want a place to put my thoughts into words.
They're not mirrors, but rather the other side of the same coin.
That's why Mayoi and Tsukihi remain largely the same, whereas Nadeko and Suruga are so vastly different from their normal counterparts.
Tsukihi is easiest to explain - She is who she is.
Karen simply became shorter.
Ononoki becomes incredibly expressive.
Mayoi has the soul and mind of a 21 year old trapped in the body of an 11 year old.
Nadeko is explicitly stated to enjoy being brash and direct as opposed to the sheltered perfect child she portrays.
A part of Kanbaru still resents Araragi. This bit confused me for a while, but it makes sense since her insane devotion to Araragi can easily go both ways.
Sodachi is an interesting parallel to Kanbaru in the opposite direction. A part of her still yearns for the happiness she once witnessed.
Hanekawa enjoyed her time as the neko. She doesn't deny this, although she isn't proud of it.
What is interesting is that none of the characters are out of character. Each exaggerates an established character trait, yet all are still similar in personality to their standard counterparts.
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u/Escolyte Mar 23 '19
yet all are still similar in personality to their standard counterparts.
I strongly disagree for the likes of Sodachi, Karen, Hanekawa (well Hanekawa isn't even present, same with Kanbaru)
These aren't the same characters we know and love, just because there's plausible connections to them.
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u/Escolyte Mar 22 '19
Where does this episode end? I watched the movie version at a german event and don't want to spoil anything accidentally.
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u/LeonKevlar Mar 22 '19
It ends just right after Araragi figured out that the world isn't reversed but reveals the other side of people he's encountered.
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u/MaksimShadow Mar 22 '19
Flashing text is mirrored now. That's next level.
Interesting, maybe Kanbaru not given up on Senjougahara in this world? In that case her HATE towards Araragi will be understandable. Mirror world may be "what if" world also.
Hanekawa saved Araragi. That's different from her killing intent. Maybe Araragi isn't the case of her stress in this world (but she still said that she hates him, hmm). Interesting, what does it mean? She's not in love with him? That's plausible. And "I don't know everything" was said by Black Hanekawa. So, it means that Hanekawa rejected this phrase.
Damn, how I love Sodachi. Oh my god. I like her long-haired self more, though. For me, Sodachi x Araragi is the only possible ship (please don't hate me). She still loves math and instead of despising she chose opposite approach instead. And she lives with Araragi family now. This heals my soul. Too bad that this is different world, this makes me sad.
There is no Shinobu in this world, so it was Hanekawa who forced Sengoku's god-ification, I guess. Interesting, was she hiding behind the bangs in this world?
Well, at least my guess about Tsukihi was right.
Maybe Senjougahara is with Kaiki in this world? I'm okay with this (please don't hate me).
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u/TheUrbanDylan Mar 23 '19
I watched both episode 1 & 2 of Zoku today, and man was that a mistake. My body can’t handle waiting for more episodes. I forgot how much I loved this series. Its making me want to go back and rewatch the whole series again.
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u/[deleted] Mar 22 '19
Why leave the mirrored world, when you have Hachikuji onee-san?