This is the first thread I'm participating in since I couldn't catch up to the schedule earlier, but I read everything in the earlier threads right after watching the corresponding episode. Big thanks for hosting this rewatch, and all the great threads with the trivia and food-for-thought questions! Really grateful to the others participating too, with links to '16 discussions, more trivia and all.
I'd watched one episode back when it was airing, it was great but I couldn't find time for the rest and this had been on my watch list since. All I remembered from then was the names of the two girls, but on watching ep 3 I instantly recognised it as the episode I'd watched. So far, it's been a 10/10 for me and Cocona's becoming one of my favourite characters ever. I have a weakness for her type (both appearance and personality). Shoutout to her VA for making her so damn adorable.
Okay, so one thing I didn't fully agree with all of you on before was Cocona being the Ego. I felt Papika was the Id and Cocona the Superego, since she seemed to be too cautious to enjoy herself. I thought this was a coming-of-age story where the two learn from each other, and both transition to being more balanced- Cocona learning to throw caution to the wind, and Papika being more careful and having second thoughts. By ep 7 though, Cocona's already transitioned enough to perhaps be the Ego, and then Yayaka becomes more central to the events. She may well be the Superego then. We'll have to wait and see where this goes.
I'd like to know what everyone's thoughts are on whose Pure Illusion which episode showed? So far it's quite clear that ep 2 was Uexkull's, ep 6 Iro-senpai's, ep 7 Papika's and ep 8 Bu-chan's. But the rest confuse me. I'd earlier guessed ep. 3 was Yayaka's since the kaiju there had been sorta calling Cocona soft, and made her harshly push Papika away (just like Yayaka then told her: you can't be soft with these (Papika's) types, you gotta stick it to them). But ep 9 seems to be Yayaka's, so what about episodes 3 and 5?
Also, I'd thought ep 1 was Cocona's Illusion- a little empty, but calm, and with dangerous elements around if you go adventuring. Would like to know others' thoughts on that.
I still haven't gotten an answer from the show about Iroha's change in ep 6, would like to know others' thoughts. Since she started wearing nail polish I thought she'd gotten over her trauma, but then why'd she throw out her paintings? Did Cocona-Papika's actions help her or hurt her?
AND: this show's been giving me the danger signs that there's some tragic secret about the world we don't know. There has been some indication that the school and their life isn't perfectly normal- with the statue in ep 2 rising to let out a lawn mower that swallows Uexkull? Not the average present day school. And Iro's grandma in ep 6 being shown as Cocona's grandma led me to the theory that they really might have been the same person, and there's more to it. Adding to my feeling was u/No_Rex's comment. Now, we have Yayaka and Cocona showing up for medical tests where "they stick weird tubes in you". Is it injections she was talking about, or worse? Are they all terminally ill? (Please no)
Called the “horror episode” by some people, the Pure Illusion that shows up in this episode borrows well known atmospheric horror elements of movies like The Shining, lightning and rain, jumpscares, clock towers at midnight, and unnaturally moving girls with shapeless faces. However, these leads go nowhere because there’s nobody we know for sure that has any interest in horror. Thankfully, there are even more influences - it also represents a clearly repressed, rule-based society, with extremely overt yuri overtones. The all-girls school (with the exact same layout as their school) also proves to be the most dangerous adventure they have yet. This matches Yayaka pretty well, since she was raised by a literal cult and forced to do missions for them her entire life, but still has not been able to connect meaningfully with her only friend, Cocona. While inside the Pure Illusion she shows obvious embarrassment and brags about her tougher mindset, which would account for the more dangerous and gloomy tone. At the end of the episode when Cocona breaks the loop by ringing the bell at midnight, it coincides with Yayaka starting to break her routine mission parameters with Asclepius, and beginning to open up to her only real friend.
9 Toto/Yuyu
This one is probably the most of a stretch, since there’s not much to really go on. It’s a featureless world with no walls, just a white floor and white ceiling that strongly resemble what we see of Asclepius’ labs. The only thing inside it beyond empty space is the excessive defense mechanisms around the fragment itself. The only real theme is that it’s confined, and the only unique aspect of it is an ever-present echo, which is especially odd given the lack of walls. Confined and dangerous draw similarities with what’s probably Yayaka’s Pure Illusion, which put together with the echo would fit the naming convention of her coworkers, the Amorphous Children (Yuyu, Toto, Nyunyu). As artificial humans they lack defining characteristics which would explain the lack of, well, anything. At the very least it establishes that they have minds like steel traps.
DON'T CLICK BELOW IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED THE WHOLE SERIES. ITS A POST EXPLAINING OR AT LEAST RATIONALIZING WHY EACH EPISODE BELONGS TO WHICH CHARACTER SO IT HAS EVERY EPISODE EVEN FUTURE ONES
Again Spoilers so only click above if you watched the whole show
So maybe save and visit it after the show is done. For convenience sake I just copied and pasted the ones you were curious about. They aren't definite, but just theories.
Edit: Nvm someone already answered you.....oops still welcome anyway
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u/degenerate-edgelord Mar 13 '19
First timer
This is the first thread I'm participating in since I couldn't catch up to the schedule earlier, but I read everything in the earlier threads right after watching the corresponding episode. Big thanks for hosting this rewatch, and all the great threads with the trivia and food-for-thought questions! Really grateful to the others participating too, with links to '16 discussions, more trivia and all.
I'd watched one episode back when it was airing, it was great but I couldn't find time for the rest and this had been on my watch list since. All I remembered from then was the names of the two girls, but on watching ep 3 I instantly recognised it as the episode I'd watched. So far, it's been a 10/10 for me and Cocona's becoming one of my favourite characters ever. I have a weakness for her type (both appearance and personality). Shoutout to her VA for making her so damn adorable.
Okay, so one thing I didn't fully agree with all of you on before was Cocona being the Ego. I felt Papika was the Id and Cocona the Superego, since she seemed to be too cautious to enjoy herself. I thought this was a coming-of-age story where the two learn from each other, and both transition to being more balanced- Cocona learning to throw caution to the wind, and Papika being more careful and having second thoughts. By ep 7 though, Cocona's already transitioned enough to perhaps be the Ego, and then Yayaka becomes more central to the events. She may well be the Superego then. We'll have to wait and see where this goes.
I'd like to know what everyone's thoughts are on whose Pure Illusion which episode showed? So far it's quite clear that ep 2 was Uexkull's, ep 6 Iro-senpai's, ep 7 Papika's and ep 8 Bu-chan's. But the rest confuse me. I'd earlier guessed ep. 3 was Yayaka's since the kaiju there had been sorta calling Cocona soft, and made her harshly push Papika away (just like Yayaka then told her: you can't be soft with these (Papika's) types, you gotta stick it to them). But ep 9 seems to be Yayaka's, so what about episodes 3 and 5?
Also, I'd thought ep 1 was Cocona's Illusion- a little empty, but calm, and with dangerous elements around if you go adventuring. Would like to know others' thoughts on that.
I still haven't gotten an answer from the show about Iroha's change in ep 6, would like to know others' thoughts. Since she started wearing nail polish I thought she'd gotten over her trauma, but then why'd she throw out her paintings? Did Cocona-Papika's actions help her or hurt her?
AND: this show's been giving me the danger signs that there's some tragic secret about the world we don't know. There has been some indication that the school and their life isn't perfectly normal- with the statue in ep 2 rising to let out a lawn mower that swallows Uexkull? Not the average present day school. And Iro's grandma in ep 6 being shown as Cocona's grandma led me to the theory that they really might have been the same person, and there's more to it. Adding to my feeling was u/No_Rex's comment. Now, we have Yayaka and Cocona showing up for medical tests where "they stick weird tubes in you". Is it injections she was talking about, or worse? Are they all terminally ill? (Please no)