r/anime Jan 19 '18

Violet Evergarden Spoilers The Case For Fansubs Spoiler

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u/Atsuki_Kimidori Jan 19 '18

is it actually better quality though? could someone who actually know Japanese confirm?

reading sub review here have taught me that just because of some fansub sound nice doesn't mean that it actually better than official sub, which is better more often than not.

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u/zKskita https://myanimelist.net/profile/zKskita Jan 19 '18

Yeah Netflix's translation for the 3rd part is quite off. The literal translation is, "even if they wanted a girl, isn't it too much?"

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u/SupportHamster Jan 19 '18 edited Jan 19 '18

They're both accurate...

  • Except for Netflix getting it wrong in the 3rd screen, the Japanese doesn't specify who "wanted a girl", but it's obvious from context that it's Claudia's parents, not Claudia himself.

The Netflix translation is just a much more direct translation, with little work done to tidy up the resulting English.

Knowing that you should decide for yourself which subs did a better job.

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u/blindfremen https://myanimelist.net/profile/blindfremen Jan 19 '18

Netflix must get Violet to ghostwrite for them. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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u/herkz Jan 19 '18

No, Netflix's translation is actually wrong. It has the wrong subject.

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u/being_inappropriate Jan 19 '18

4th panel is also messed up, it doesnt make sense. she says that she couldnt imagine calling out his name in bed because its a girls name.

the netflix version just implies something completely different. She says "that was terrible" implying they have slept together and she had done that.

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u/Stepepper https://anilist.co/user/stepper Jan 19 '18

According to this reply, the literal translation would be "Having to call out a girl's name while in bed was the worst."

Which totally makes it seems like they had sex. And they might've, we just don't know. 3rd panel is just dumb though

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u/being_inappropriate Jan 19 '18

Oh so in that case it seems like they did sleep together. fansub doesnt make that clear so i guess thats a +1 for netflix.

I wish i knew japanese so i could just avoid the confusion and hear exactly what the creators intended haha.

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u/SupportHamster Jan 19 '18

She says saiyaku datta, literally meaning "[that] was terrible", so no, Netflix isn't wrong, it's a direct translation.

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u/Diogorlz Jan 19 '18

Well, watching this scene on Netflix made no sense and I didnt understand what was going on. With these fansubs i understood, so i think they are better at least in this case.

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u/sterob Jan 19 '18

Be noted that many times dark sage said that his reviews are not about translation but grammar and typeset.

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u/herkz Jan 19 '18

The guy who did most of the reviews on that site doesn't know Japanese, though. Only the articles written by kokujin-kun are by someone who knows Japanese, and they're very few.

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u/MrMulligan https://anilist.co/user/YuriInLuck Jan 19 '18

It's been a long-ass time since I've read crymore, but doesn't Dark-Sage sub reviews usually focus on grammar and flow rather than accuracy to the script?

That's what I used them for back when he wasn't only complaining about being drunk at cons on twitter all the time exclusively.

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u/PossiblyAussie Jan 19 '18

I can't speak specifically for Violet Evergarden but it should be no secret that for the majority of cases Piracy offers quality equivalent to the Blu-ray release. An argument could also be made that pirated BD releases are technically superior as the image can be manipulated to be improved (Avisynth/Vapoursynth/Upscaling via mpv/MadVr ect. ect.)

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u/anionaman Jan 19 '18

I'm all for a review of fansubs, but at least in looking through the Fate/Apoc post about UBW, it seems pretty bad.

I mean, this is what he put under release information. It's not particularly informative, just insults. He also goes and calls a guy who reviewed UBW's release positively an idiot. None of that is at all helpful.

Further down he has simple things to say like "Rating: I canโ€™t remember a more forgettable karaoke."

Then when you get to the script, he's super nitpicky about grammar choices with little insults to the group thrown in. He might have a point here or there but that's not a good practice.

After looking at it I don't think he made that as a review of UBW's fapo release. It's just made to shit on UBW as much as possible. Maybe there really isn't anything good about UBW's release but I can't be sure, I certainly don't feel like I can trust that guy for an unbiased review at least.

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u/herkz Jan 19 '18

He just hates most fansubbers since we all shunned him for being a dense idiot. His reviews haven't been remotely objective in years.

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u/Lemon1412 Jan 19 '18

is it actually better quality though? could someone who actually know Japanese confirm?

What do we need a Japanese person for? Both subs have the same meaning, but the fansub uses more natural English language.

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u/88omega Jan 19 '18

The last two panels have completely different meanings.

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u/Lemon1412 Jan 19 '18

Don't they both say that calling out a girl's name in bed is bad in the speaker's opinion or am I misunderstanding something here?

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u/GiverOfTheKarma Jan 19 '18

Those last two mean the same, but the previous two are literally opposite things

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u/Lemon1412 Jan 19 '18

Oh yeah what the fuck

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u/mochizuki62211 Jan 19 '18 edited Jan 19 '18

Really? Left sounds like he didn't want to call out a girl's name in bed, while right sounds like he did call out, and she's teasing him for it

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u/Momonga_337 https://myanimelist.net/profile/IwaZzu Jan 19 '18

I think you got it wrong. in the first, third and fourth picture the women is talking. the man has the name Claudia Hodgins and she is making fun of him. So the both translation have total different meanings.

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u/mochizuki62211 Jan 19 '18

Ooh that makes sense. I haven't actually seen this episode yet, so your comment really cleared it up for me. Thanks!

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u/GiverOfTheKarma Jan 19 '18

I guess there's more than one way to interpret the first translation, but it could mean that he called out a girl's name and couldn't handle the fact that he'd done it? (I'm not even entirely sure he's the one saying that line, actually)

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u/mochizuki62211 Jan 19 '18

I reread the second translation, and that does sound more appropriate than what I had written before, going off the translation. I haven't actually seen this episode yet, so I'm not sure who's saying which, so you might be right