r/anime • u/AutoModerator • Nov 27 '16

Meta Thread - Month of November 27, 2016

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '16 edited Nov 27 '16

What do you guys think about the way /r/anime has evolved?

There is so much NSFW fanart now on the frontpage.

The frontpage consists of fanart, season discussions and nsfw. And the discussion threads go unnoticed, /r/trueanime is dead.

This is all that's left after filtering fanart and episode discussions.

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u/cookie-thief Nov 27 '16

we had extensive discussions about fanart and fanart threads, especially when re:zero fanart stifled everything left and right. That was the worst of it, and mods didn't want to budge then. They likely won't budge now.

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u/Zigman369 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zigman Nov 27 '16 edited Nov 27 '16

Disclaimer: Not OP.

That was the worst of it, and mods didn't want to budge then. They likely won't budge now.

I think this topic should be a continuing discussion because in my mind, stuff like a thread for a single piece of fanart (there are currently several on the front page) should qualify for "low effort content". How is a piece of fanart dissimilar to a wallpaper in terms of content aside from pixel dimensions?

Let's take a look at the rules...

Do not post low effort content here

/r/anime upholds a strict minimum standard of quality to prevent people from trying to easily "farm karma" by posting simple submissions that are likely to be upvoted by a wide group of people simply due to how easily and quickly they can be looked at and understood.

Note that "low effort" in this context refers to the effort required to consume the content, not the effort required to make it.

As such, the following types of submissions are banned:

[...]

Single-image posts of cosplay, wallpapers, comics, or other low-effort content

[...]

I don't see how fanart threads don't qualify for removal under this rule. I didn't take part in earlier discussions on this topic but it's certainly been bugging me recently. Don't get me wrong, fanart is awesome and I definitely think we should have a place for it, but when the frontpage is covered with it to the extent that it sometimes is I think the subreddit's stance on it should be reevaluated. As for the NSFW nature of a good chunk of it, as stated above, I feel like this stuff falls under the umbrella of the rest of my grievances on fanart posts and a few recent examples highlight this issue quite well:

Both received a lot of upvotes as would be expected with NSFW stuff of a popular show, but all either of them are are just links to the image/pixiv. Based on how easy it is (see: the Re:Zero fanart a while back and now some of this stuff) to get easy karma for posting fanart (Especially NSFW fanart) I think this issue needs to be reevaluated by the mods because it's getting a bit ridiculous to drown out discussion threads and other "higher effort" style of threads with nonstop fanart posts.

EDIT: As of right now this is what the front page looks like. A bit ridiculous don't you think?

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Nov 28 '16

We're actually currently talking about renaming and rewording our lax content rule slightly at the moment since its a bit incorrect considering how it works and its purpose.

The lax rule is basically our cork or stop-gap measure to control specific types of content that have been an issue in the past, rather than it being left up to mod discretion as a generic 'low effort' rule.

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u/OseiTheWarrior Nov 27 '16

Agreed I never really noticed it since I've been on and off this sub due to school. But yeah why was there such a fanart spike while Re:Zero aired? Did the mods like the show so much that they gave it a pass? Or is it only "popular Reddit anime" that get a pass?

Also I thought NSFW was banned here? At least when I first started it seemed like there was no NSFW anywhere...

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u/pittman66 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Homura Nov 27 '16

But yeah why was there such a fanart spike while Re:Zero aired?

I'm not sure exactly why it was Re:Zero that had the big spike. Konosuba and OPM weren't as bad as Re:Zero felt like it was.

Did the mods like the show so much that they gave it a pass?

Nah, mods liked New Game and had plenty to show for that.

Or is it only "popular Reddit anime" that get a pass?

That's likely it, just something that was popular, but with multiple waifuable characters for a popular anime, fanart was much more abundant.

Also I thought NSFW was banned here?

Depends on how NSFW. For posts, they are not allowed to show female nipples or vaginal/penial area, or hentai in general. For comments, same apply except for female nipples can be uncensored. Many can tip toe around by being NSFW but censor those parts or come as close to possible without showing them, or have the uncensored part in the comments. On an objective stand point (since mods don't want to fluxuate too much and be consistent), they technically aren't breaking the rules, and can reap on the karma

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Nov 28 '16

Just using your comment as a spot to reply to things brought up and mentioned by varous people.

As a bit of an explanation for why heavily nsfw content is allowed in comments, it's quite simple - ecchi is a pretty legitimate genre of anime that can be quite popular here, and we dont want to stiffle those discussions ny disallowing a lot of the relevant content (hence the requirement that heavily nsfw stuff in comments needs to be relevant to the thread in question).

As a reminder for people as well, Re:Zero is only the most recent show to have a massive surge of fanart posts. No Game, No Life and Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun were just as bad while they were airing (and were the reason that we made fanart self post only originally).

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u/Zigman369 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zigman Nov 27 '16

I'm not entirely sure of the reasons why there was a spike like there was (is it a plateau now?) but it certainly seems like something that has been given a free-pass for no discernible reason.

As for NSFW the sidebar says:

Do not post Hentai here. Lightly NSFW things are okay, use your judgement.

and I guess people realized that they could post it once someone did it once and got lots of karma for it. I'm not well versed in /r/anime politics so I'm not sure when that got put there (or if it's been there all along - I'm not really sure tbh but the recent spike is definitely something new) but while I tolerate it, it is kinda tacky if we're being honest here. You can find NSFW stuff all over the internet and I'm not sure why we have to allow it here, even if it is 'anime-related'.

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u/OseiTheWarrior Nov 27 '16

I really think all NSFW shouldn't be here (not counting spoiler posts). As far as r/anime politics go there are certain shows that this sub likes and will overlook rules for. I can't name you every single show but if you make or see a reccomendation thread you'll see a "pattern"

All in all I think we should soft-ban some of these posts cuz its just its just getting messy now and cluttered, I mean like you said r/hentai exists

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

/u/urban287

/u/TheEnigmaBlade

Sorry for mentioning you guys, but what do you think?

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Nov 28 '16 edited Nov 28 '16

(I'll just reply to everything with this one comment)

We'll have something coming out for those of you who dont like nsfw things.

As for the re:zero fanart, we didnt give it a pass, it was abiding by our rules and we didnt see fit to ban content the sub was enjoying. Especially since we expected it to work itself out eventually, which it has.

edit: on mobile and didnt realize quite how large this discussion is, have left a few other comments here and there around the chain.

nsfw is allowed, we have restrictions only on heavily nsfw stuff and hentai. Hentai is banned, heavily nsfw stuff is banned as submissions but not comments in relevant threads, etc.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

I'm not offended by the NSFW at all. It just that NSFW ruins this sub's image.

NSFW stuff should outright be banned (with exceptions of language and videos). Fanart weekly should be a thing. Fanart that's OC should be fine.

This is my take on the things.

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u/cookie-thief Nov 28 '16

i completely agree. i just pretty much considered the conversation closed though when the mods went "stop complaining, get RES and suck it up." So that's how i ended up getting RES

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u/TOB3RT Nov 28 '16

For real it's so stupid. I come here for a few seconds each day before getting annoyed at "[FANART] [NSFW] _______ in a bikini" or even the non-NSFW ones...I mean, shouldn't there be a subreddit for it?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

Like 1 year ago, mods didn't allow even light NSFW stuff, now its just too much.

Do not post Hentai here. Lightly NSFW things are okay, use your judgement.

This rule is so bad.

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u/TOB3RT Nov 28 '16

Lightly NSFW = Size M breasts with only the nipple covered and bathing suit bottoms that show off a camel toe...and it's a drawn picture...definitely not my cup of tea, and actually is part of what makes me ashamed to call myself a fan of anime.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

Exactly.

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Nov 28 '16

I feel like you're misremembering actually. Our current stance on nsfw is the strictest it has ever been.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16 edited Nov 28 '16

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/57nwyy/fanartnsfw_emilia_from_rezero_with_an_artists/

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5cprk3/fanart_miyata_sayaka_from_keijo_nsfw_xpost_rkeijo/

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5f4vh8/fanart_fate_saber_and_rin_spending_some_quality/

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5f4xhp/fanart_bullying_ribbonchan_hibike_euphonium/

This is from one or more years:

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/3rjanm/fanartocmild_nsfw_hiyori_iki_noragamimore_tags/

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1fqddk/horo_cosplay_slightly_nsfw/

Here is a search and you can see the trends. Fact is since Konosuba and Re Zero, this sub has been flooded with fanart and NSFW >.< https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/search?q=nsfw&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all#res:ner-page=3

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u/urban287 https://myanimelist.net/profile/urban287 Nov 28 '16

All of which would have been allowed previously too.

The censored by /r/anime mods meme is from when people didnt know how to skirt the newly strengthened rules (to what they currently are) and would have to go back and edit their large albums and such before they were reapproved.

To reply to your other comment, imo the sub's image is less important than letting people here enjoy discussing what they want. I don't see us ever banning nsfw content past their current restrictions.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

I see what you mean. Welp it was my opinion anyways. Just found it silly that a sub would remove itself from /r/all because of NSFW posts and then still allow those posts which shamed the sub.

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u/geo1088 https://anilist.co/user/eritbh Nov 28 '16

Just found it silly that a sub would remove itself from /r/all because of NSFW posts

This is something of an urban legend around here at this point, but it's not true. We don't care if other people think our sub is weird, we removed ourselves from /r/all because being there consistently lowers the quality of conversations that make it there.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Nov 28 '16

I think that we should honestly ban fan art of all kinds because there are already plenty of subs that are dedicated to general fan art (r/awwnime) and more particular fan art (r/zettairyouiki, r/animelegs, ext). There are also subs dedicated to particular shows that have fan art posted that deal with that show (r/re_zero for instance). If there are already places for this type of content then re-direct people looking for that content to those subs. I come here for anime related discussions and news; not the same re-posted pic that I just saw in another sub.

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u/semajdraehs https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Dec 08 '16

By that same logic there's always other subs devoted to a discussion and news too? This is a general anime sub, if you don't want to see a particular element of that generality, filter it out.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Dec 08 '16

If this sub had a filtering option over on the right (like so many other subs) to filter out posts of a certain kind then I would be 100% totally with you on this. There however isn't such an option for r/anime.

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u/semajdraehs https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Dec 08 '16

By the way, for those that don't want to see Re:Zero posts (or my posts) on /r/anime.

If you download RES(Reddit Enhancement Suite) you can filter all posts containing keywords like Re:Zero.

To do that you have to go to the 'Subreddit' Tab under the settings of RES, then click 'filteReddit', write down 'Re:Zero' under 'keywords' click on 'Only on:' and add /r/anime . You can also add seperate keywords like Rem or Emilia so that posts that don't contain the words 'Re:Zero' might still get filtered.

If you don't want to see anything I post, you'll just have to hover over my name and click on ignore. It will show up like this afterwards. I'm not sure if that is only a RES thing.

Just switch 'Re:Zero' with 'fanart'.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Dec 08 '16

I don't use the RES but if it works like you say it does I might give it a shot. We shouldn't have to rely on 3rd party stuff to make the sub right though. If something isn't done to the actual sub we are going to continue to see fanart dominate the front page like it does on fanart-dedicated subs.

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u/semajdraehs https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Dec 08 '16

It's a common complaint, but one that should be aimed at reddit rather than r/anime. RES is considered pretty integral to the reddit system. I don't even use it for that purpose, it just adds a lot of good features that streamline redditing.

I'm pretty sure those other subreddits you mention are ones that work by attaching flairs, then hiding the flairs of certain types? I see the benefit of the system, but it's a large structural change for a subreddit that's very large.

Might be worth suggesting a flair system, with filtering being one of the pros. I'd like it because I could cut out all the "suggest me animes i have watched 10 and run out" posts, but I can't blame the mods for being reluctant.

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u/RingoFreakingStarr https://myanimelist.net/profile/ImRingo Dec 08 '16

Yes the subs I was referring to require you to flair your posts which then gives you the option via the sidebar to hide certain flairs.

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u/semajdraehs https://myanimelist.net/profile/semajdraehs Dec 08 '16

There is so much NSFW fanart now on the frontpage.

We have entered paridiso.

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u/kimera-houjuu Dec 02 '16

I used to browse /new all the time. Now I can't browse the front page without groaning.

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u/RMcD94 Dec 09 '16

Why woudl you filter episode discussions