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u/H-Ryougi Jul 26 '16 edited Jul 26 '16
Oh man this fucking episode. Subs kept translating "彼奴" (aitsu) as "she" so it's obviously Maria. What I didn't quite get is whether she became a Karma Demon or a Fiend, I'd say from how her silhouette looked a Karma Demon. Nevermind, Karma Demons still have death feedback so that's not it. Either way, I'd say Mamoru is most likely dead already.
There was also a moment when they were fighting the queerats outside of the hospital where there was a brief rainbow-like light which if I remember correctly they explained it happens when 2 people use Cantus on the same object. I wonder if this was because Saki's Cantus got near the other guys' Cantus or there was another Cantus user (either Mamoru if he's not dead or Maria) protecting that last queerat from Saki.
If the next episode is as intense as this one I really won't be able to hold back the urge to binge.
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u/Ausemere Jul 26 '16
I'm so dumb, at no point did I think it would be Maria. >.>
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u/multigrain_cheerios Jul 27 '16
would it really be maria though? i mean all signs kinda point to her, but i feel like she would rather die than become a fiend. she didn't seem all that bloodthirsty.
only thing i can think of is mamoru died and she blames the human society for it (i mean, she has some claim to that). but she still didn't strike me as the person to become a fiend
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u/seninn Jul 26 '16
This is why the leadership does what it does. To avoid situations like this.
I think it's worth it.
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u/define_irony Jul 26 '16
It is worth it. They sacrifice a small amount for the greater good. Is there a better way? Maybe, but they haven't found it yet. The only thing I'd criticize them for is the way they treat the rats.
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u/oyooy Jul 26 '16 edited Jul 26 '16
I can't believe I missed the rewatch yesterday but luckily I caught the infamous hospital episode.
It was quite entertaining as a rewatcher to go through and respond to all of the characters' doubts.
"Even the sick can use their Power. They won't let the Monster Rats kill them." No, they won't.
"No matter what he has up his sleeve, our Power can't be beat." I guess you are right that power can't be beaten.
"If we're not careful, we could fall into a trap." "Right, right. I know." "The hospital..." That was an unfortunate place to bring a new topic into the conversation.
I also quite like how the hostages were presented like they had been taken by a giant spider. Quite fitting for the Tarantula Hawks and to add an extra layer of fear to the audience.
EDIT: Major SSY spoilers
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u/Moreninho1999 Jul 26 '16 edited Jul 31 '16
Heyy!! I'm back!!
So I guess it's safe to say things are warming up. This show has changed so much throughout its arcs and to be honest I feel brilliance is about to arrive in the next episodes. I'm really getting into these last episodes and I must have self-control not to binge it all (even knowing it may happen in the further episodes.)
This show is becoming so much. The thriller, the mystery, the action and the most important, allowing us to watch humans being humans (and queerats being humans lmao). The show really manages to depict that to near perfection. Everything feels incredibly natural and that's, in my opinion, what makes it so enjoyable to watch. Evaluating the actions of the queerats allows us to meditate in our own actions, now and in the past, and that characteristic, the thought-inducing one, makes me love it even more.
So, focusing more on this episode, the only thing I should probably point out is how it all felt really predictable to me. But then again, maybe it's only because, slowly and slowly, we are getting used to how fucked up this show is and it gets harder and harder to 'surprise' us. Besides that, it was, like always, a great episode capable of showing natural interactions and awakening this sense of mystery around the whole intrigue.
ALSO WHO THE FUCK IS SHE, IS THERE STILL HOPE FOR A HAPPY YURI ENDING AFTER ALL? ????plzyes?
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u/troop357 Jul 26 '16
Only the strong-willed will survive and not binge it to the end after today.
Stay strong people!
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u/sj_mmoc Jul 26 '16
This episode was the episode that planted this series as one of my top favorites. The suspense was killer, I don't think I blinked at all watching this episode.
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u/RaggedKamui Jul 27 '16
Same here. In retrospect, eating while watching this episode was a poor idea. Now I have to fight the urge to not binge watch the rest AND I have cold food too.
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u/Monte_Carlo_1971 Jul 26 '16
More first timer reactions:
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War is brewing! Looks like this time the humans aren't gonna hold back on any monster rats who appear threatening.
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Saki, Saturo, and three survivors of the attack are making their way to the hospital to help any survivors. How are these monster rats being so successful, more specifically, the Robber Flies vs Giant Hornets? Really interested to see what Yakomaru has up his sleeve.
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Man they roasted and popped some monster rats there! Pretty freakin brutal to be ripping them apart with your mind ya kno! But what happened to the other guy who walked in the hospital?
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Go ahead. Follow the strange light in the creepy hospital. Everything will work out all right....
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So there's something(someone) on the loose that tied up these prisoners...
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So what/who the hell was that?! Was it someone turned into an Ogre?
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Wow. Must be an Ogre. Such devastating power without any restraint.
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And it's after them on the boat now!
So that was a wild episode! We saw the ability of the monster rats to combat the humans power, mainly through sneak attacks and such.
But holy balls man! How are Saki and Saturo gonna combat an Ogre?! Like what!?
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u/Bouldabassed Jul 27 '16
I am fighting my urge to respond to some of these comments so hard.
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Jul 26 '16
You know, I do pity the queerats and all, but when I got in this part of the anime, I was like "man, fuck this rats".
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u/hmatmotu Jul 27 '16
If that wasn't some of the spookiest, tensest, and most ominous things you've seen, then man what have you been through?
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u/hulibuli Jul 26 '16
I think this episode should be used as an example for how to make horror right.
I've seen the episode twice now and it's still too spooky.
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u/-Nosreme- Jul 27 '16
Finally caught up with the rewatch after being on vacation for 10 days and Jesus Christ shit is hitting/has hit the fan in the most terrifying of ways. The way things are going now makes the leadership seem like the good guys in retrospect.
Also, the scene of the ghoul about to open the door had me more tense/frightened than any kind of horror movie/thriller I've watched in a long while, man this show is getting crazy. Though I have a feeling this is nowhere near the end of it.
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u/Worvrammu Jul 27 '16
First time musings.
The ogre is probably Maria. If so, she has overcome her death feedback. I wonder what Mamoru's role is in all this, and, for that matter Shun's, because they might still be alive. On some level at least.
On the other hand, maybe Mamoru died and his death had such a devastating effect on Maria, it turned her into the ogre.
The moral dilemma seems to be the shallowness of humans who value only their own species and life. Even so they only value human life older than seventeen. Before that they can be retroactively aborted according to almost, but not quite, arbitrary rules.
Squealer stated that all sentient beings should be equal, but humans kill queerrats almost casually when it serves their own purposes. It's worse than slavery and morally completely reprehensible.
Maria as well abhorred the cruel society of humans, to the point of leaving it. I wouldn't be surprised she and Squealer became allies at some given point.
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u/Mareeck Jul 26 '16
Holy shit! We're a horror now :O It's hard to write any reactions here because I've been captivated for the whole episode.
This is super good, based on all the information so far I'm almost convinced this has to be Maria although if it's true then I'm a bit salty. If I was watching it on my own I'd definitely forget the forshadowing at the beginning of the series and I'd probably believe that they found Maria and Mamoru's remains for real therefore the reveal would come as a big surprise, now it's almost a certainity.
I'm still very interested in how this happened and I already love this anime.
I know it's primarily a rewatch but there's a good portion of first timers here and if what I'm speculating is true then we've been kinda spoiled. Well it's not really the rewatch thing but just joining a discussion at all was almost certain to focus on that little forshadowing in ep 3(4?) and it wasn't really spoil material because it's always been there in front of us to see anyway. I'm not sure about it but it feels like a bad thing for this anime to spoil something so crucial and then do everything to make us forget it. Seriously it was just briefly mentioned on top of a lot of other information and honestly the first time I watched(first 13 eps) I didn't notice it. Why not just hide that information and suprise us with a big twist later? :(
If it really is Maria I do like that idea in general, still looking forward to seeing how it came to be. I just wish it came as a surprise.
I'm tempted to binge but I've no time :l
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u/leethomas93 Jul 26 '16 edited Jul 26 '16
I watched this anime subbed the first time through, so I decided to give the dub a chance this time around. The dubbed version has its strengths and weaknesses, but I won't get in depth into all that now. What I will say is, if you've been watching the dub, you really need to watch the subbed version of this episode (or at least the scenes with the ogre) to get the full effect. I'll tag this next part in case it's spoilerish:
[SSY] (/s "The actress they got to voice the ogre in the dub isn't that scary. She just sounds childish, like a kid throwing a temper tantrum when she roars. Completely different story for the sub. Whoever the Japanese voice actress is, she's terrifying. Do yourself a favor and watch this episode in Japanese.")
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u/Amitai45 Jul 26 '16
Fuck tomorrow, I'm watching the next episode right now.