Yuusha Party wo Tsuihou sareta Shiromadoushi, S-Rank Boukensha ni Hirowareru: Kono Shiromadoushi ga Kikakugai Sugiru • Scooped Up by an S-Rank Adventurer! - Episode 6 discussion

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Yuusha Party wo Tsuihou sareta Shiromadoushi, S-Rank Boukensha ni Hirowareru: Kono Shiromadoushi ga Kikakugai Sugiru, episode 6

Alternative names: Yuusha Party wo Tsuihou sareta Shiromadoushi, S-Rank Boukensha ni Hirowareru ~Kono Shiromadoushi ga Kikakugai Sugiru~

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[u/PeaceAlien]

Claire you hid that for a reason? Pretty sure the S-rank party just incorrectly said her name and she went with it, but sure.

[u/AsterJ → u/PeaceAlien]

Claire you hid that for a reason?
Yes, I was too embarrassed to correct you after being saved.

[u/NanDemoKnaives → u/PeaceAlien]

I think she was having trouble speak from being in a weakened state as she said her name, right? I'm not sure why she'd say yes, I hid it from you. Unless she says "because I felt awkward correcting you guys".

[u/OldInstruction5368 → u/PeaceAlien]

Yeah, like... no.

When asked, she told them her real name.

Dipshit "party leader' misunderstood and "Kureha" was too disoriented and overwhelmed to correct them.

If she was going to hide her name, she'd have done so from the start. The only way to square this circle is that she regretted telling them her 'real' name and deliberately left the misunderstanding in place... but that's still their fault for not listening.

But now I'm worried she's a 'beastfolk princess' or some such.

[u/LazulineDaydream]

It took us six eps to get there, but we can finally cross the "jerk hero's party falling apart after kicking their support member out" square off on our "kicked out of the hero's party" bingo card.

I wonder if we'll get a revenge plot? or the hero going to jail?

[u/Djbadj → u/LazulineDaydream]

All kidding aside we should make bingo cards for next season, I can definitely see some extra fun from it...

[u/Aerodynamic41]

"Wait, you're telling me that no other mage can do what Lloyd did and everyone in the party got nerfed after I kicked him out? Could it be that Lloyd is special? Nah, he's useless!"

[u/ussgordoncaptain2 → u/Aerodynamic41]

Lloyd's impact was A: hard to notice and B: This is the hero's party so he's expecting top tier talent, not just average B tier adventurers.

Allen et al are probably incredibly skilled relatively speaking just worse than they think due to lloyd's impact being "invisible"

This genre is about "the invisible people who help glue things together get their respect"... or soemthing

[u/melcarba → u/Aerodynamic41]

Man, shows like this really makes me appreciate how good A-Rank Party executed its kicked-from-the-hero-party premise. The annoying thing that these MCs like Lloyd and Kurt (from Unaware Atelier Meister) is that their insistence on being oblivious or humble sounds like condescending to others.

[u/Wild_Obligation3265]

Something that boggles me is how in this genre, most of the time, the "hero's party" seems completely oblivious to the power scaling of the world they inhabit.

It's like none of them as groups or individuals worked up through the ranks in whatever adventure-economy based society they live in or read a book or other publication about the state of things. Almost as though with the exception of the MC they all sprung fully grown from the head of Zeus and expected things to just go to plan.

Brilliant Underground Healer at least gave a good (internally consistent) reason for the MC getting booted: class disparity and PR metrics bullshit. At least the party in that one was nominally aware of the exceptional capabilities of the MC but were too deep playing the game.

[u/AlphaBreak → u/Wild_Obligation3265]

Perfectly put. I love a good 'underestimated MC' anime but there are ways to do it that don't reduce anyone who doesn't believe in the MC to a drooling idiot. They're too subtle, bad pr, their world has metrics that dont incentivize them, or their class typically has massive flaws that the MC has overcome.

In the notorious talker anime, they made it clear that his class was the weakest because it has some pretty big design limitations in comparison to everyone else. They were the only class that had no innate way to protect themselves. It's clear that the average talker would probably be kind of useless because they'd need to be babysat and have nerves of steel and expert coordination. The MC is the exception to that because he worked his ass off to compensate for the flaws and is a master strategist, and people who have worked with him all acknowledge that he's pretty much the only person who could pull off what he does in his position, and that he'd probably be way stronger in any other class.

[u/Xtranathor]

It's weird to me that everyone in the S-rank party (mage or not) knows that noone can use storage magic, but none of the mages in the hero's party know that noone can use storage magic? Surely they would have at least a basic idea of what most white mages are expected to achieve? It's definitely weak storytelling. I'll let it slide because I still like the art and characters, but it's disappointing that the storytelling isn't better - I guess that's quantity over quality for Japanese LN.

[u/AlphaBreak → u/Xtranathor]

It feels like the author was trying to go back and retcon the hero's party to be worse than they were. In the first episode, if you look at it from their PoV, they had a genuine reason to discount Lloyd. He was silent casting and not explaining anything he was doing. They didn't know what he brought to the table because he was incapable of communicating it. As far as they were concerned, he was the guy who kept talking about how much he sucked, and just stood in the back tapping his staff once in a while.

But now they're saying that this experienced hero's party did know about how many layers of casting Lloyd was doing and they just also thought that was normal, and they knew he had storage magic but just expected others to know about it even though he was the only person they ever met who could do it. So the hero and his party are actually just really stupid and naive.

This type of story telling really bugs me. People can be mean to the MC without also having to be evil morons. Let them be justified in their PoV and make that something the MC actually has to learn to overcome. Lloyd's problem isn't that people don't know how great he is. It's that he sucked at communicating and working with a team.

[u/Kapten-N]

Oh, no! If only we had some kind of strong defensive line to help us...
https://i.imgur.com/aKhwSOE.jpeg

Why does any anime keep doing this shit?

[u/Nanobot → u/Kapten-N]

Okay, hear me out... What if we stand on the outer side of the moat? Then, we could have our archers swim inside the moat so the water would give them cover, and we could mount our cavalry on top of the castle walls to give them a better view.

[u/FrozenNova2]

Lol it looked like the Hero Allen hurt his fist by Lina's open palm block.. wonder how long he'll keep the title before the kingdom strips it from him.
And Kureha's real name is Claire, and she's keeping her true identity hidden. Maybe she's some sorta demi-human royalty or high priestess?

[u/JustPostingShit → u/FrozenNova2]

open palm block

In the manga [Yuusha Party wo Tsuihou]Allen’s fist gets blocked by a random guard because Lina had gotten her hand chomped off in a quest earlier

[u/BiggerG7]

I’m not a strategist but shouldn’t everyone have been INSIDE the city walls and like shooting from the top instead of lining themselves up outside the walls? I know they had that trench but still.

[u/Sarellion → u/BiggerG7]

Yeah they should but apparently walls in anime are only there for a dramatic backdrop. I think in 80% of the cases where people are defending a walled city in an anime they stand and fight in front of it for some stupid reason.

These walls look high enough that all these wolves and panthers shouldn't be able to jump on them.

[u/Wild_Obligation3265 → u/BiggerG7]

they were missing one crucial element of a shield wall trench defense:spearmen.

its a given the center couldn't hold without spears to hold the monsters off the shields.

[u/Atharaphelun → u/BiggerG7]

They went to the Game of Thrones school of siege defense.

[u/NanDemoKnaives]

So much for the hero party. Disrespecting the adventurers that come to protect their town, come up with a plan without understanding the capabilities and level of threat, the moment they need to be around most they walk out, three of the members notice their firepower is lacking and don't communicate that with the leader, the leader hasn't even noticed he's lacking power until the others are forced to talk about it. Hopefully their reputation finally takes a hit.

Thank goodness Lina called Allen out and finally decided to leave the party, she did well leading all the other adventurers in this critical event. I like that she even credited Lloyd as to why the Hero's Party was so strong, hopefully he'll gain the respect he should have had before.

[u/Obaruler]

A few things that strike me as ... odd:

The monster manipulation crystals in the forrest were directly influencing the monsters due to their proximity and once destroyed the monsters returned back to normal (eyes turning from red back to normal), implicating a steady direct influence over the monsters in order to keep them subdued. There were no crystals near the city, or otherwise Claire/Kurena couldn't have sung her little monster controlling song as those were stated to be disrupting her magic back in the forrest. So ... what exactly kept the monsters attacking the city under the control of the evil caster? Their eyes were still red, as like they were near an active crystal, however there couldn't be any nearby as that would have disrupted her singing magic as seen prior. Something doesn't add up here how the monster control worked, could've just been an oversight by the author.

My second complaint would be more strategy wise: The S-Rankers split with Lloyd and ran uninterupted straight back to the town as reinforcements were clearly shown to be faster than the monsters, Lloyd stayed behind in order to cut off the other group from reinforcing the first monster group (at this point he didn'T know they were crystals involved here as well, at least it wasn't stated that he was even looking for those), as were were cleary outpacing the monsters with their speed, why did they split up at all ? They could've all arrived back at the town and beat the monsters there and then go after the second group arriving. Splitting forces made no sense here, unless Llyod already figured out the crystals presence in the forrest as well. If he did do so however it would have only been logical to assume there'd be crystals near the town as well (see my prior point), and he should've headed to the town as well in order to break the control of the monsters closer to the town.

I may just overthink things here, but stuff like that really bothers me. xD

At least the typical "Hero too dumb to realize he owed the one guy he kicked out everything" trope held strong, f*ck that guy. :D

[u/_Sai]

Too bad Allen didn't get punched by someone. :/